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Everything You Don't Know About Tipping

Not according to my egghead financial advisors,who have way fancier degrees than you do. It's listening to people like them instead of people like you is the reason why I am successful and wealthy and you are not.

successful and wealthy or not, you should be required by law to pay a base salary of minimum wage like everyone else.

You telling me how to run my business?

see above.

Do you even own a business?

my employer is required to pay at least minimum wage. there should be no exception made for the restaurant lobby.

Most of my waiters make above minimum wage because of courteous servive,great food,and a good hustle rather than relying on Big Daddy Government.

they should make minimum wage as a base salary. the tip is intended for them, not for you.
 
When you go out to eat, do you tip? With one of the lowest median annual salaries, food service is among the occupations with the most job growth. But some say that businesses should pick up the tab, and pay their workers an adequate wage. This could require making dining more pricey.


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Everything You Don't Know About Tipping - Wait But Why


Give 'em 20% and call it quits.
 
your argument is that if the base salary was minimum wage, red beans and rice would cost twenty five dollars? that's a ridiculous assertion. McDonalds pays more than minimum wage, and there's not a single item on the menu that even approaches twenty five bucks. same thing with many other restaurants where tipping doesn't happen.



you shouldn't be allowed to pay them a base salary of less than minimum wage. that's why it's called minimum wage.

Doing so would cause them to make less money.



Why do you hate restaurant servers?
 
Doing so would cause them to make less money.

no, it wouldn't. it would cause the restaurant owner to pay minimum wage like everyone else and stop skimming the tips, though.
 
no, it wouldn't. it would cause the restaurant owner to pay minimum wage like everyone else and stop skimming the tips, though.

Once it it is universally understood that servers already make minimum wage, or just above, no one would tip, or at best, tips would be much more rare. Kinda like it is at quick serve establishments...they wait staff, they just don't take orders like full service places...and they make minimum wage or just above, and it sucks.

Again, explain why the servers themselves would WANT this to happen? They'll make less money. Plain and simple.
 
I made over 100 bucks per night, on average. Over 10 years ago. In SC. At a Ryan's family steak house. Not exactly fine dining. Just waiting tables.

Sure, some nights I made less. Hell, some days I only made 30 bucks, and that sucked. But I averaged 600 bucks per weeks. I was...19, 20, maybe?

Can someone explain how that was bad? How that is broken? How that is a worse problem, than, say completely stagnant wages for middle class workers, or how they are working more hours now in order to get by than they did 30 years ago?
 
I made over 100 bucks per night, on average. Over 10 years ago. In SC. At a Ryan's family steak house. Not exactly fine dining. Just waiting tables.

Sure, some nights I made less. Hell, some days I only made 30 bucks, and that sucked. But I averaged 600 bucks per weeks. I was...19, 20, maybe?

Can someone explain how that was bad? How that is broken? How that is a worse problem, than, say completely stagnant wages for middle class workers, or how they are working more hours now in order to get by than they did 30 years ago?

Because quite a number of people here would rather believe their ideology rather than those of us who have been in the business for years.

I always considered ideologues to be people who prefer to define themselves by their beliefs,rather than their accomplishments.
 
Once it it is universally understood that servers already make minimum wage, or just above, no one would tip, or at best, tips would be much more rare. Kinda like it is at quick serve establishments...they wait staff, they just don't take orders like full service places...and they make minimum wage or just above, and it sucks.

i disagree. tipping won't stop just because restaurant owners are held to the same wage standards as everyone else.

Again, explain why the servers themselves would WANT this to happen? They'll make less money. Plain and simple.

false. the price of the burger will go up by a buck or so, and people will still tip their servers for good service.
 
i disagree. tipping won't stop just because restaurant owners are held to the same wage standards as everyone else.



false. the price of the burger will go up by a buck or so, and people will still tip their servers for good service.

I don't know, man. I think you and I are at an impasse. No one tips the dude that pumps the gas for you anymore, at full service gas stations. Very few people tip barbers at walk in places anymore. No one tips their servers at full service quick serve establishments anymore. No one tips the fella that carries your groceries to your car anymore.

Generally speaking, it's common knowledge that these people don't RELY on tips as a part of their income, like servers at restaurants do. Change that, and everyone knows the change, and I'll bet my bottom dollar that that gravy train will end.

Philosophically, I agree, the restaurant should be held to the same rules as everyone else. But in this little place I like to call reality...servers make darn good money. Low end, we're talking 40k per year. High end, twice that. Because 20% of three to four 80$ meals for an hour and a half of time is a good deal more than what minimum wage is gonna get ya, for that same time.
 
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What about all the other tip based jobs? Bar tenders? At a good bar, they clear 200-300$ per night. Surely they are in dire need of our help, right? And what about strippers? My best friend from college was a stripper when she graduated, in FL, then ATL, and cleared over 700 bucks a night...on SLOW nights. She could rake in a cool thousand on busy nights. Surely they need our help, too, right?
 
I don't know, man. I think you and I are at an impasse. No one tips the dude that pumps the gas for you anymore, at full service gas stations. Very few people tip barbers at walk in places anymore.

What?

Nobody tips their barber?

I'm doing it wrong.

And outside of NJ, I haven't seen a full service gas station in decades.
 
What?

Nobody tips their barber?

I'm doing it wrong.

And outside of NJ, I haven't seen a full service gas station in decades.

Ok.



And the rest of my post?
 
I don't know, man. I think you and I are at an impasse. No one tips the dude that pumps the gas for you anymore, at full service gas stations.

and they get paid at least minimum wage, and should have that as a base salary with tips as an extra.

Very few people tip barbers at walk in places anymore.

i did today, and it's the norm around here. they should also have minimum wage as the lowest base salary, as well.

No one tips their servers at full service quick serve establishments anymore. No one tips the fella that carries your groceries to your car anymore.

i'm not sure what your point is here. whether or not an employee works in a customarily tipped profession, the employer should have to pay them at least minimum wage as in every other profession.

Generally speaking, it's common knowledge that these people don't RELY on tips as a part of their income, like servers at restaurants do. Change that, and everyone knows the change, and I'll bet my bottom dollar that that gravy train will end.

and i don't agree. the price of the burger will go up a buck, and people will still keep tipping at sit down restaurants.

Philosophically, I agree, the restaurant should be held to the same rules as everyone else. But in this little place I like to call reality...servers make darn good money. Low end, we're talking 40k per year. High end, twice that. Because 20% of three to four 80$ meals for an hour and a half of time is a good deal more than what minimum wage is gonna get ya, for that same time.

that's great, but i still see no reason to make an exception for the restaurant lobby so that they can use tips to meet minimum wage requirements. my intention is to tip the server for good service, not to supplement minimum wage.
 
Ok.



And the rest of my post?

To be honest, I was so alarmed that I may be overtopping my barber, I didn't read it!

That's like five bucks every six weeks!


But I guess your point is that it's a good deal for waiters. What's so special about waiters? Why don't the cooks, busboys, hostesses and the dishwashers get tips too?
 
When I was in college I liked to work restaurants for tips. The first place I worked "pooled" tips and everybody got an equal cut of whatever came in. Then, one day, I happened to be in the accounting office and noticed a report sitting out which showed that I accounted for roughly 1/3 of all tips among a dozen or so tipped employees.

The other place I worked was standard practice and I made better money than at the first place but, frankly, the most money came from playing poker after work where I not only kept my tips but often ended up with everyone else's as well.:lol:
 
Wait, so women tip an "average" amount and men tip an "above average" amount? How does the average of "average" and "above average" equal "average"?

Good point. I assume that men and women refer only to (white?) men and women that did not get included in the many other categories listed.
 
I don't know, man. I think you and I are at an impasse. No one tips the dude that pumps the gas for you anymore, at full service gas stations.

I've never even purchased gas from a place that offered full service.

Very few people tip barbers at walk in places anymore.

Yikes. I tip 20-30%.

No one tips their servers at full service quick serve establishments anymore.

I'm not sure I've been to a place like that either.

No one tips the fella that carries your groceries to your car anymore.

I've never had somebody carry my groceries to my car.
 
I don't know, man. I think you and I are at an impasse. No one tips the dude that pumps the gas for you anymore, at full service gas stations. Very few people tip barbers at walk in places anymore. No one tips their servers at full service quick serve establishments anymore. No one tips the fella that carries your groceries to your car anymore.

Generally speaking, it's common knowledge that these people don't RELY on tips as a part of their income, like servers at restaurants do. Change that, and everyone knows the change, and I'll bet my bottom dollar that that gravy train will end.

Philosophically, I agree, the restaurant should be held to the same rules as everyone else. But in this little place I like to call reality...servers make darn good money. Low end, we're talking 40k per year. High end, twice that. Because 20% of three to four 80$ meals for an hour and a half of time is a good deal more than what minimum wage is gonna get ya, for that same time.

Advice...never say 'no one does such-and-such anymore'.

It is completely impossible to know if you are right or not...so why say it?

And btw, you are wrong. I know someone that does tip the guy that carries her groceries to her car.

Told ya... ;)
 
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