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The Subprime Mortgage Crisis: Some Thoughts

In an address to the New York Association for Business Economics, Federal Reserve Governor looked back at the financial scene on the eve of the explosion of defaults in the subprime mortgage market. “As recently as several months ago, some may have been tempted to believe that, in the realm of economic policy, we were on the precipice of the end of history,” he told his audience. After all, as he continued, “The seemingly benign financial and economic conditions of the past few years may have appeared to be approaching this nirvana.”

In August, the placid financial conditions gave way to a subprime mortgage-induced liquidity shock. Today, the ramifications of that event continue to play out in the form of reduced profit expectations for the financial sector, the prospect of slower economic growth, and the specter of widening exposure to the fallout of a continuing credit crunch. Its effects are likely to linger for another few years as adjustable rate mortgages continue to reset.

Upon closer examination of the issue, the emerging evidence reveals that a significant deterioration in lending practices was the primary cause of the subprime mortgage crisis. In the process, the cautionary lessons from past economic experience that might have limited the rapid growth in lending to subprime borrowers were ignored.

Four market principles are relevant:

• No market conditions are ever constant. Change is the norm. Assumptions and/or valuation models based on static market conditions increase one’s exposure to risk when market conditions change.
• Economic booms often give rise to bubbles. Prior to the 2000-2001 economic slowdown, a bubble developed in the Internet sector. On the eve of the subprime mortgage crisis, a bubble developed in the housing market with the sale price of homes rising well above the historic ratio to rents.
• A period of high returns can seduce investors and creditors into compromising their investing or lending standards.
• Market psychology can amplify market distortions, especially when marketplace reality increasingly diverges from previously rosy expectations.

The role of market psychology is particularly important. Robert Rubin explained:

Traders tend to assume that their positions will always be salable at very close to the last market price. When markets are doing reasonably well, they say, “Well, if I don’t like something I’ve bought, I’ll just kick it back out.” But when conditions deteriorate severely, liquidity diminishes enormously. Traders often can’t sell bad positions except at enormous discounts, and sometimes not at all. Then they may be forced to sell good positions to raise money. Thus, during periods of great market duress, investments can react in unexpected ways. Securities that have no logical relationship may suddenly move in tandem while securities that do have a logical relationship may diverge. Unexpected losses can develop rapidly and be huge.

As the housing bubble swelled with price-to-rent premiums exceeding historic valuations by more than 30% in numerous major markets, lenders and investors gave less and less thought to fundamental constraints such as risk and valuation. By 2006, almost two-thirds of all mortgage loans were made to individuals who previously would not have qualified for such loans. At the time, lenders and investors expected that housing prices would continue to rise and any borrowers who might face payments difficulties would readily be able to refinance under more favorable terms.

But what if the rise in housing prices slowed or even reversed? That scenario was seldom, if at all, considered by even some of the market’s most sophisticated financial institutions. Yet, to embrace such a posture required the fantastic assumption that housing prices could only head in one direction. That has never been the case in the U.S. or elsewhere. In all markets—equities, commodities, homes, etc.,—whenever prices have gotten far out of line with valuation fundamentals, either price increases slowed dramatically until over time the prices again reflected valuation fundamentals or “corrections” during which prices fell inevitably occurred. Given how out-of-line housing prices had soared, a “correction” would normally have had a fairly modest impact and would have been economically healthy for the long-run given that a volatile bubble would have been eliminated. But that was not the case. The “castle” of loans that had been constructed on the foundation of a bubble created a dangerous situation. As the bubble began to contract, that “castle” of loans crumbled and collapsed. Given the tendency of market psychology to sometimes swing to extremes, the subprime mortgage crisis induced a broader liquidity crunch.

A July 2007 IMF working paper authored by John Kiff and Paul Mills highlights the causes of the subprime mortgage crisis. In their paper entitled “Money for Nothing and Checks for Free: Recent Developments in U.S. Subprime Mortgage Markets,” they blame a combination of an “originate-to-distribute” lending model, deterioration in lending standards, and cooling of housing prices for inducing the subprime mortgage crisis.

The following excerpts highlight their assessment:

Until 2003, the majority of mortgage originations were “prime conforming” loans. These were then purchased by two government-sponsored housing enterprises (GSEs-Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac). However, by 2006, over hald of all originations did not meet the GSEs’ “conforming criteria.”

…The transformation of the market was such that, of 2006 originations, only 36 percent were conforming loans…

Recent subprime lending growth was boosted by more highly leveraged lending against a background of rapidly rising house prices. Housing affordability dropped to the point where a significant proportion of borrowers were financially overstretching via risky “affordability products,” with many apparently lying about their financial resources to get loans. Also, speculative borrowers obtained loans on the basis of expected collateral appreciation, with little account taken of their ability to make the requisite mortgage payments…

At the same time, strong investor appetite for higher-yielding securities in 2005-06 probably contributed to looser underwriting standards. Safeguards ensuring prudent lending were weakened by the combination of fee-driven remuneration at each stage of the securitization process and the dispersion of credit risk which weakened monitoring incentives. Hence, intermediaries were remunerated primarily by generation loan volume rather than quality, even as the credit spreads on the resulting securities shrank…

However, as interest rates rose and house prices flattened and then turned negative in a number of regions, many stretched borrowers were left with no choice but to default as prepayment and refinancing options were not feasible with little or no housing equity.


The working paper also explained how the “originate-to-distribute” model undermines lending quality:

The originate-to-distribute model is driven by fee generation, facilitated by risk dispersion and compartmentalization. The pursuit of fee income along the entire origination-to-funding chain brings with it potential incentive conflicts. For example, because few lenders retain the mortgages they originate, incentives for diligent underwriting and monitoring are diminished.

Finally, the working paper explains that additional subprime mortgages are likely to face interest rate “resets” through 2009. Hence, more subprime mortgage defaults are likely over the next few years.

This leaves policy makers with some crucial decisions:

• Should assistance be lent to affected homeowners who face foreclosure?
• Should a bailout package be prepared for affected lenders?
• Should the Federal Reserve preemptively seek to mitigate a broader liquidity crunch?
• Should new regulations be designed?

In my opinion, unless the situation reaches the point where it poses a genuine risk of a significant and prolonged economic shock (as opposed to a modest but temporary slowdown), the federal government should avoid direct intervention aimed at assisting either the affected homeowners or lenders and investors. To do so would only undermine the incentive for lenders and investors who are facing losses from defaults to renegotiate the terms of the loans with affected homeowners so as to limit the expected short-term losses. It is in the mutual interest of borrowers, lenders, and investors to work together to address the consequences of the bad lending that had taken place. For the longer-term, such assistance would merely lay the foundation for future bad lending practices. After having been insulated from marketplace risks, borrowers, lenders, and investors would come to expect future government intervention. Hence, as happened with the subprime mortgage crisis, they would pay insufficient attention to marketplace realities and tend to adopt the most favorable assumptions. In turn, borrowing and lending discipline would again deteriorate.

The Federal Reserve should consider the probability of a possible subprime mortgage-induced credit crunch, along with myriad other economic risks within its purview. Such an outlining of possible scenarios, estimating their likelihood, consideration of relevant historical events, and weighing of tradeoffs for possible policy options improves the quality of decision making and preparedness for possible contingencies that might emerge. The Fed’s assuring that broader financial markets remain sufficiently liquid is important to sustaining the nation’s economic growth. Considering the tradeoffs of policy approaches to achieving that outcome is essential to policy choices and implementation.

In past financial crises in Mexico and South Korea, market confidence was not fully restored unless robust structural reforms accompanied financial assistance. Structural reforms that address the insidious effects on lending quality posed by the “originate-to-distribute” model might be beneficial. For example, the “originate” angle might be tied to loan quality. Loans could be capped to reflect valuations of homes that are reasonably consistent with the historic price-to-rent relationship with increased down payments (from one’s assets not additional loans) being required to cover excessive price-to-rent differences. Those capable of making higher down payments are those who are less likely to default. New rules to ensure greater transparency and enhanced protection from unfair or deceptive lending practices could also facilitate better decision making.

To be sure, the more rigorous lending criteria would likely reduce the growth in U.S. homeownership. Yet, once the subprime mortgage crisis comes to a close, homeownership rates might well be where they would have been, but at the much higher price of the economic costs associated with the defaults and liquidity crunch that followed the collapse of the subprime mortgage market. In the long-run, prudent efforts to preclude bubble-based leverage could reduce overall economic risks and the spread of financial contagion through the increasingly integrated global financial marketplace.
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Re: The Subprime Mortgage Crisis: Some Thoughts

Nicely done. But you left out the name of the Fed Gov who made the speech in NY. It was Fed Gov Kevin Warsh who used the phrase "end of history" in his speech to the New York Association for Business Economics. The entire speech is here.
Gov Warsh is currently a voting member of the FOMC.

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The Federal Reserve should consider the probability of a possible subprime mortgage-induced credit crunch, along with myriad other economic risks within its purview. Such an outlining of possible scenarios, estimating their likelihood, consideration of relevant historical events, and weighing of tradeoffs for possible policy options improves the quality of decision making and preparedness for possible contingencies that might emerge. The Fed’s assuring that broader financial markets remain sufficiently liquid is important to sustaining the nation’s economic growth. Considering the tradeoffs of policy approaches to achieving that outcome is essential to policy choices and implementation.
A bit of restating the obvious, but probably useful nonetheless. This is exactly what the Fed is doing and has done for decades. Consider the recent speeches/remarks by various FOMC Govs, regional bank Presidents, and officials. A recent WSJ article quoted Gov's Mishkin and Krozner (both currently voting members) as follows:

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Mr. Mishkin signaled Monday that last week's decision by the Fed to lower interest rates wasn't a slam dunk, and that a case could have been made to keep them steady. Mr. Mishkin said in a speech to a risk management conference in New York that he decided to vote in favor of lowering the federal funds rate by a quarter percentage point as insurance against a weakening economy. But Mr. Mishkin suggested he doesn't see a strong case for more rate cuts at this point, and even raised the prospect that the latest rate cut "could be removed" if it proves to have been unnecessary.
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U.S. Federal Reserve governor Randall Kroszner warned Monday that the subprime mortgage market will likely continue to deteriorate and called on lenders to go beyond a case-by-case approach in helping troubled homeowners.
Kansas City Fed President Hoenig (another voting member) recently was quoted by Bloomberg as follows:

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Federal Reserve Bank of Kansas City President Thomas Hoenig said he's ``optimistic'' about the U.S. economy, though it's important to remain ``alert'' because of risks posed by the housing slump. `The U.S. economy still has a lot going for it,'' Hoenig said in a speech yesterday in Tulsa, Oklahoma, citing continued job and consumer spending growth and gains in exports, helped by a weaker dollar. At the same time, ``I want to also remain alert as we move through this tender time,'' he said. Hoenig spoke after the Fed's regional survey of business conditions showed economic growth has slowed in five of the Fed's 12 districts since August. The report buttressed the case for further interest-rate cuts to cushion the economy from the housing recession and financial-market turmoil.
Bernanke, in his testimony today, warned that delinquencies for subprime mortgage borrowers are likely to rise further but that the Fed will continue to work with community groups to help borrowers avoid foreclosure.

He said that the Fed is on track to "propose rules by the end of this year to address unfair or deceptive mortgage lending practices" that would "apply to subprime loans offered by any mortgage lender."

The specifics of the current FOMC response to the current situation can be found in their various press releases and minutes of meetings, all available at Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System.

Specifically, all of the speeches and testimony, in their entirety, by Fed officials can be found here.
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Thanks, Oldreliable67.

I attempted to edit the post to add his name, but there seemed to be a temporary computer issue whereby I could only quote the post but not edit it (perhaps this has to do with the length of the post?).

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Four market principles are relevant:

• No market conditions are ever constant. Change is the norm. Assumptions and/or valuation models based on static market conditions increase one’s exposure to risk when market conditions change.
• Economic booms often give rise to bubbles. Prior to the 2000-2001 economic slowdown, a bubble developed in the Internet sector. On the eve of the subprime mortgage crisis, a bubble developed in the housing market with the sale price of homes rising well above the historic ratio to rents.
• A period of high returns can seduce investors and creditors into compromising their investing or lending standards.
• Market psychology can amplify market distortions, especially when marketplace reality increasingly diverges from previously rosy expectations.
Not only was this just bad banking, it was incredibly stupid... Is it truly a possibility of psychological effect of growth??? The type of growth that can be described as "protected growth". Does knowledge and common sense get second guessed when "dart board tactics" can be successful???

Amazing take on the situation!




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At the same time, strong investor appetite for higher-yielding securities in 2005-06 probably contributed to looser underwriting standards. Safeguards ensuring prudent lending were weakened by the combination of fee-driven remuneration at each stage of the securitization process and the dispersion of credit risk which weakened monitoring incentives. Hence, intermediaries were remunerated primarily by generation loan volume rather than quality, even as the credit spreads on the resulting securities shrank…

However, as interest rates rose and house prices flattened and then turned negative in a number of regions, many stretched borrowers were left with no choice but to default as prepayment and refinancing options were not feasible with little or no housing equity.
Shows the world what dumb as investing is. What is even more shocking is the fact that our biggest investment banks were the biggest investors. Being they were member banks, does this factor in on their decision making on investments??? If so, could this be considered illegal or some form of monopolistic practice??? In the instance of approving investments based on the fact that they are member banks and can obtain cash to fall on.


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Finally, the working paper explains that additional subprime mortgages are likely to face interest rate “resets” through 2009. Hence, more subprime mortgage defaults are likely over the next few years.
Which will call for a bout of inflation to cure the sunken value of residential real estate...

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This leaves policy makers with some crucial decisions:

• Should assistance be lent to affected homeowners who face foreclosure?
• Should a bailout package be prepared for affected lenders?
• Should the Federal Reserve preemptively seek to mitigate a broader liquidity crunch?
• Should new regulations be designed?

In my opinion, unless the situation reaches the point where it poses a genuine risk of a significant and prolonged economic shock (as opposed to a modest but temporary slowdown), the federal government should avoid direct intervention aimed at assisting either the affected homeowners or lenders and investors. To do so would only undermine the incentive for lenders and investors who are facing losses from defaults to renegotiate the terms of the loans with affected homeowners so as to limit the expected short-term losses. It is in the mutual interest of borrowers, lenders, and investors to work together to address the consequences of the bad lending that had taken place. For the longer-term, such assistance would merely lay the foundation for future bad lending practices. After having been insulated from marketplace risks, borrowers, lenders, and investors would come to expect future government intervention. Hence, as happened with the subprime mortgage crisis, they would pay insufficient attention to marketplace realities and tend to adopt the most favorable assumptions. In turn, borrowing and lending discipline would again deteriorate.
1.) Home owners need to learn. One of the dumbest most idiodic misconception from people my age is "why should i waste my money paying someone else's mortgage? I should be putting money into my own property."
In reality, they will be sinking money into paying interest, and have a much higher risk of default...

2.) They should have to fire and lay off people for bad practices. Clean house of the CEO's and high, decision makers and their advisers!!! I mean, they are the ones who gave the ok in terms of fund allocation to purchase and demand such securities. Instead of giving former executives from other companies the chance to res erect or empower their career, why not search in company for talent, good service, and solid ethical philosophy???

3.) I think its all but certain, and only an announcement away.

4.) Absolutely!!!
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Being they were member banks, does this factor in on their decision making on investments??? If so, could this be considered illegal or some form of monopolistic practice??? In the instance of approving investments based on the fact that they are member banks and can obtain cash to fall on.
No. No. And no.

All national banks are required by law to be Fed member banks. State-chartered banks can be if they so choose. Being a Fed member bank has to do more with access to the Fed wire and other operational matters than it does to investment activity. On balance, being a Fed member bank means a heavier regulatory burden for a bank, which is offset somewhat by consumer's perception that that regulation, along with FDIC deposit insurance, means less a safer bank. In practice, being a Fed member bank means simply better access to money transfer facilities, check clearing, etc., and lots more examiners with which to contend.
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No. No. And no.

All national banks are required by law to be Fed member banks. State-chartered banks can be if they so choose. Being a Fed member bank has to do more with access to the Fed wire and other operational matters than it does to investment activity. On balance, being a Fed member bank means a heavier regulatory burden for a bank, which is offset somewhat by consumer's perception that that regulation, along with FDIC deposit insurance, means less a safer bank. In practice, being a Fed member bank means simply better access to money transfer facilities, check clearing, etc., and lots more examiners with which to contend.
Than why do interest rates and money supply only come into play when the big banks such as Citigroup & ML make risky and dumb *** moves???

"its because they are trying to prevent a recession" I already know thats your answer. "trying to smooth out the ride" is another one...

There already is a recession. Not for wall street, how could it??? Every time something bad happens they get bailed out, and then Americans pay invisible taxes due to such irresponsibility... But for many people who depend on the very dollar at a fixed income, they buy less and less with their dollar.

Look at the price of oil from 2004- to the present. Thats not fvcking inflation????!!!!?????

As you might be set in your ways, do not in any way think that people allow such stupid investments in terms of hundreds of billions of dollars out of being ballsy. These moves are made because large investment banks can talk to a few buddies in the FRBNY and get interest rates down, and money to cover losses... If you havent seen that, then it is you who refuses to see it...
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Than why do interest rates and money supply only come into play when the big banks such as Citigroup & ML make risky and dumb *** moves???

"its because they are trying to prevent a recession" I already know thats your answer. "trying to smooth out the ride" is another one...

There already is a recession. Not for wall street, how could it??? Every time something bad happens they get bailed out, and then Americans pay invisible taxes due to such irresponsibility... But for many people who depend on the very dollar at a fixed income, they buy less and less with their dollar.

Look at the price of oil from 2004- to the present. Thats not fvcking inflation????!!!!?????

As you might be set in your ways, do not in any way think that people allow such stupid investments in terms of hundreds of billions of dollars out of being ballsy. These moves are made because large investment banks can talk to a few buddies in the FRBNY and get interest rates down, and money to cover losses... If you havent seen that, then it is you who refuses to see it...
How much of a bail out to banks is a 1/4 point drop in the interest rates when they are having to write of scores of billions of bad mortgages?
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In my opening post on the subprime mortgage issue, I touched on the issue that creditors and investors had lost touch with fundamental notions of risk and valuation as the housing bubble expanded. I observed:

As the housing bubble swelled with price-to-rent premiums exceeding historic valuations by more than 30% in numerous major markets, lenders and investors gave less and less thought to fundamental constraints such as risk and valuation. By 2006, almost two-thirds of all mortgage loans were made to individuals who previously would not have qualified for such loans.

An interview with Saudi Arabia's Prince Alwaleed bin Talal bin Abdul Aziz al Saud, Citigroup's largest individual shareholder, posted on CNN's website this evening highlights one such example. In this case, apparently Citigroup's former CEO Charles Prince did not have a good grasp of Citigroup's exposure to the subprime mortgage situation. The following excerpts from the interview highlight this lack of knowledge:

Fortune: When Citigroup first reported the writedown three weeks ago, you said that you supported Citi and Chuck Prince. Do you feel like you were misled? Did the situation change? What happened there?

Prince Alwaleed: Let me tell you the facts. Basically when Citigroup pre-announced the $6 billion writeoff [Editor's note: this is not precisely the write-off that Citigroup reported on Oct. 15, but it is the figure the prince uses], Chuck Prince called me within five minutes of the announcement and informed me of that loss and I told him bluntly and openly, "Is this the end of the story? Did you think of everything?"

His answer was "yes" and he expected normalization in the fourth quarter. I listened to the analyst discussion he had with everybody else and he said there would be normalization in the fourth quarter. So obviously, this gave me comfort that this was a onetime event and only an aberration and I backed off.

...But what happened two or three weeks later, another $8 to $11 billion additional write-off, the situation changed completely.

You cannot come to the public and say that this normalization is expected in the fourth quarter and then three weeks later, not three months later, you come and say there is an $11 billion writeoff. This is unacceptable.


The actual writedown was $3.55 billion with an additional $2.24 billion set aside to cover anticipated future losses. At the time of the initial writedown, the Citigroup CEO expressed suprise about the situation. "This quarter's performance was well below expectations and, frankly, surprising," he said in a conference call, the October 16, 2007 edition of The New York Times reported.

Needless to say, such loss of touch with market realities is not unique to the subprime mortgage situation. It has been a constant theme in bubble situations. Indeed, in his memoirs, former Treasury Secretary Robert Rubin disclosed that many leading financial institutions were unfamiliar with their risk exposure in South Korea during the Asian financial crisis of 1997-98. He wrote:

My view of the extent to which creditors and investors had lost their sense of the risks involved in emerging markets was borne out when we began to explore the idea. We asked the commercial and investment banks how much exposure they had to South Korea by way of financial derivatives, apart from their direct loans. Most had a very imprecise idea, and some took a full week to find out. (Source: Robert E. Rubin, In An Uncertain World, New York: Random House, 2003, p.238.)

Finally, touching on the issue of financial models, the October 16 issue of The New York Times added that Mr. Prince "acknowledged that the bank's risk management models failed to avoid huge trading losses." Such poor model performance has been par for the course in the ongoing subprime mortgage crisis. Earlier, in the June 24, 2007 edition of The New York Times, Gretchen Morgenson wrote about the convergence of the limitations of models, the impact of bias, the breakdown in lending discipline that undermined the subprime mortgage market. She explained:

...marking illiquid securities to a model that makes certain assumptions about their future behavior is not the same thing as marking to an honest-to-goodness market of buyers and sellers. Assumptions about the future are inherently based on past behaviors and values that may well have absolutely nothing to do with the present -- the laxity in subprime lending in 2006 and 2007, for example, has never been seen before.

In worst-case scenarios, such models may reflect the fantasy that a firm's principals prefer, not the reality of a security's likely value. And yet, investors and financial firms everywhere are relying heavily on these models and building their balance sheets accordingly -- a very dangerous game, especially when it comes to complex pools of securities backed by assets like home loans.
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Than why do interest rates and money supply only come into play when the big banks such as Citigroup & ML make risky and dumb *** moves???
It is true that monetary policy has sometimes in the past, keyed on the "too big to fail" doctrine (Chrysler, the S&Ls). But over the long run, other situations have motivated Fed easing and or tightening episodes as well. Take a look at the history of Fed policy over the long-term and you'll see that the Fed's mandates of promoting sustainable economic growth, full employment and stable prices have come into play at various points in the business cycle which have had nothing to do with the "big banks" being in trouble. For example, while they haven't been in evidence for a number of years due to advances in management techniques, the classic "inventory cycle" was a frequent fixture of the cycle in the early post-war years. In fact, you might not be old enough to remember those, so you may have to look it up. There is an abundant amount of data available via the internet, so I'll let you find it yourself.

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"its because they are trying to prevent a recession" I already know thats your answer. "trying to smooth out the ride" is another one...
Well, if your Congressionally-mandated objectives are, as I stated above, to promote sustainable economic growth, full employment, and stable prices, what else would you be doing?

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There already is a recession. Not for wall street, how could it??? Every time something bad happens they get bailed out, and then Americans pay invisible taxes due to such irresponsibility... But for many people who depend on the very dollar at a fixed income, they buy less and less with their dollar.
Whether there is "already a recession" remains to be seen. The NBER is the official arbiter of recession start and end dates. No doubt, a recession could have started one or two or three months ago. But we won't know that for sure until we see it in the aggregate data coming from the DC number mills. We may have a feeling or may have heard enough anecdotes to convince us of that the economy is slowing, but we typically don't get a broad enough picture to be accurate--although sometimes that intuition is exactly right!

As for Wall Street, just take a look at the employment figures in the financial services industry over the years and you'll see that Wall Street employment suffers along with everybody else. Its probably true that the "big guys" aren't terribly hurt because they make enough dough to ride it out, but there are thousands and thousands of us little guys that grease the wheels that make the wagons roll--I was one of them for many, many years.

And as for "who depend on the very dollar at a fixed income, they buy less and less with their dollar," you're mixing your metaphors quite a bit here. Those who depend on fixed income for their income typically would prefer higher interest rates, not lower. But lower interest rates are typically accompanied by lower dollar exchange rates (at least in the immediate neighborhood of declining rates). Maybe I simply don't understand the point you're trying to make?

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Look at the price of oil from 2004- to the present. Thats not fvcking inflation????!!!!?????
Inflation is always a monetary phenomenon. The price of crude oil is not a monetary phenomenon. There is a good definition at the fed web site, here.


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As you might be set in your ways, do not in any way think that people allow such stupid investments in terms of hundreds of billions of dollars out of being ballsy. These moves are made because large investment banks can talk to a few buddies in the FRBNY and get interest rates down, and money to cover losses... If you havent seen that, then it is you who refuses to see it...
As a student of the markets, the economy, and the business cycle, but most especially, after 25+ years on Wall St, trading everything from bonds to commodities, I can tell you unequivocally that you simply do not know what you are talking about. Over the years, I have seen investment fads come and investment fads go. I have seen people enjoy their 15 minutes of fame, then flame out. I have seen really talented traders take horrendous losses. I have seen really bad traders, total idiots, make stupid trades and make millions. Sad to say, but I admit to having been in both camps at various times. People don't generally spend 25+ years in the street and survive by being "set in their ways."

First and foremost, one should always let the market teach you; you should always be a student of the market.
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Re: The Subprime Mortgage Crisis: Some Thoughts

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Originally Posted by donsutherland1
Mr. Prince "acknowledged that the bank's risk management models failed to avoid huge trading losses." Such poor model performance has been par for the course in the ongoing subprime mortgage crisis. Earlier, in the June 24, 2007 edition of The New York Times, Gretchen Morgenson wrote about the convergence of the limitations of models, the impact of bias, the breakdown in lending discipline that undermined the subprime mortgage market.
And its not just risk management models alone. It is the practice of "marking to model" when there is no observable market price and banks have to move assets into the "Level III" category. Note that as of November 15, FASB 157 becomes effective. This statement says:

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This Statement emphasizes that fair value is a market-based measurement, not an entity-specific measurement. Therefore, a fair value measurement should be determined based on the assumptions that market participants would use in pricing the asset or liability. As a basis for considering market participant assumptions in fair value measurements, this Statement establishes a fair value hierarchy that distinguishes between (1) market participant assumptions developed based on market data obtained from sources independent of the reporting entity (observable inputs) and (2) the reporting entity’s own assumptions about market participant assumptions developed based on the best information available in the circumstances (unobservable inputs). The notion of unobservable inputs is intended to allow for situations in which there is little, if any, market activity for the asset or liability at the measurement date. In those situations, the reporting entity need not undertake all possible efforts to obtain information about market participant assumptions. However, the reporting entity must not ignore information about market participant assumptions that is reasonably available without undue cost and effort.
The confluence of FASB 157 and the lack of observable market prices for a much larger universe of mortgage-backed instruments suggests that the large backs are going to be forced to move quite a lot of assets into the Level III category where their value will be determined by a pricing model rather than observable prices.

The problems arise because models break down when the underlying assumptions upon which those models are built are no longer valid. For example, when correlations that were in the 70% - 90% range suddenly are now in the -30% to -50% range, no model will give you a reasonable price.

Minyanville.com provides a comparison of Level III assets to shareholder's equity:

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* Citigroup: Equity base: $128 billion. Level III: $135 billion. Ratio:105%
*Goldman: $39 billion. Level III: $72 billion. Ratio: 185%.
*Morgan Stanley: $35 billion. Level III: $88 billion. Ratio:251%.
*Bear Stearns: $13 billion. Level III: $20 billion. Ratio: 154%.
*Merrill Lynch: $42 billion. Level III: $16 billion. Ratio: 38%.
So do we have more large write-offs from these guys coming down the pike? Don't know, but certainly is possible.
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