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This isn't a thread to debate whether the following statement is true, I just think it'd be quite interesting to gage how many people have even entertained this:

"Feudalism was a better system of government and economic system than capitalism and socialism"
 
Paleocon said:
This isn't a thread to debate whether the following statement is true, I just think it'd be quite interesting to gage how many people have even entertained this:

"Feudalism was a better system of government and economic system than capitalism and socialism"
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Not me.
 
The feudal Lord wakes up one day after his lady refused his bed the night before.

He sees you walking out of your hut all happy and refreshed, and kissing your lady.

He gets mad and orders his goons to kill your whole family and burn down your hut.

You can't EFFECTIVELY resist because he also banned you from owning any weapons, much less practicing with them so you can be good with them.

In the feudal system, and as now in the UK, YOU....YOU...are a SUBJECT, not a citizen.


Let's not forget the system the English had in Scotland where when a guy got married, the FEUDAL LORD, got to have sex with the bride FIRST. The new groom got sloppy seconds.
 
Paleocon said:
This isn't a thread to debate whether the following statement is true, I just think it'd be quite interesting to gage how many people have even entertained this:

"Feudalism was a better system of government and economic system than capitalism and socialism"
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There's a reason we as a species gave it up for a better system. I know as you read through history books (or internet blogs), you're overcome with fantasies about how awesome it was, but in reality, everyone had a really awful time except the one person in power. Considering you're nothing special in this life you'd almost certainly be part of the 99.9% miserable population.

Do you really hate freedom so much?

RetiredNSmilin said:
The feudal Lord wakes up one day after his lady refused his bed the night before.


He sees you walking out of your hut all happy and refreshed, and kissing your lady.


He gets mad and orders his goons to kill your whole family and burn down your hut.


You can't EFFECTIVELY resist because he also banned you from owning any weapons, much less practicing with them so you can be good with them.


In the feudal system, and as now in the UK, YOU....YOU...are a SUBJECT, not a citizen.




Let's not forget the system the English had in Scotland where when a guy got married, the FEUDAL LORD, got to have sex with the bride FIRST. The new groom got sloppy seconds.
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In Paleocon's fantasies he's always the feudal lord doing the rape. He never for once considered that he would be on the wrong side of feudalism.
 
RabidAlpaca said:
There's a reason we as a species gave it up for a better system. I know as you read through history books (or internet blogs), you're overcome with fantasies about how awesome it was, but in reality, everyone had a really awful time except the one person in power. Considering you're nothing special in this life you'd almost certainly be part of the 99.9% miserable population.

Do you really hate freedom so much?



In Paleocon's fantasies he's always the feudal lord doing the rape. He never for once considered that he would be on the wrong side of feudalism.
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Well in all honesty, I don't think the feudal Lords lived all that long, either. Some other royalty was always trying to kill them, or it was their own family. Then the King was always insisting you join him on some war, and taxing the crap out of your recently hard won harvest. A Lord living to be 40 was quite a feat.

Then there are those damned peasants in the woods with their crossbows killing your friends and eating all of YOUR deer.

It ain't easy being a Lord these days. Hell, my suit of armour, three swords, four horses and a slew of vassals cost me a full years taxes.
Now my son and daughter tell me they want to get married, and have been "doing it" for years.
I know this wine is probably poisoned, but you know what...I think I'll drink it!
 
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Paleocon said:
This isn't a thread to debate whether the following statement is true, I just think it'd be quite interesting to gage how many people have even entertained this:

"Feudalism was a better system of government and economic system than capitalism and socialism"
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I thought about it and discovered that it was good to be King or a nobleman with lots of land and peasants.

I also gave it thought from the academic viewpoint of socio economic systems optimization. Here it might have been a better principal of organization than the alternatives given the level of technology, where the costs of transactions, information or transport were so incomparably higher than now.
 
RabidAlpaca said:
There's a reason we as a species gave it up for a better system. I know as you read through history books (or internet blogs), you're overcome with fantasies about how awesome it was, but in reality, everyone had a really awful time except the one person in power. Considering you're nothing special in this life you'd almost certainly be part of the 99.9% miserable population.

Do you really hate freedom so much?



In Paleocon's fantasies he's always the feudal lord doing the rape. He never for once considered that he would be on the wrong side of feudalism.
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It is pretty evident that you and RetiredNS are very historically ignorant, but that's besides the point. The point here is just to gage how many have even thought about it, versus how many simply dismiss the idea out of hand, as you do.
 
Paleocon said:
It is pretty evident that you and RetiredNS are very historically ignorant, but that's besides the point. The point here is just to gage how many have even thought about it, versus how many simply dismiss the idea out of hand, as you do.
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You only like the idea because you think it'll be YOUR religion and the government will follow YOUR views. In reality none of your views or religion would be represented, you would have no politicians to represent you, and you wouldn't be having a good time. Keep fantasizing.
 
RabidAlpaca said:
You only like the idea because you think it'll be YOUR religion and the government will follow YOUR views. In reality none of your views or religion would be represented, you would have no politicians to represent you, and you wouldn't be having a good time. Keep fantasizing.
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I get that your answer to the question is "no".
 
RetiredNSmilin said:
The feudal Lord wakes up one day after his lady refused his bed the night before.

He sees you walking out of your hut all happy and refreshed, and kissing your lady.

He gets mad and orders his goons to kill your whole family and burn down your hut.

You can't EFFECTIVELY resist because he also banned you from owning any weapons, much less practicing with them so you can be good with them.

In the feudal system, and as now in the UK, YOU....YOU...are a SUBJECT, not a citizen.


Let's not forget the system the English had in Scotland where when a guy got married, the FEUDAL LORD, got to have sex with the bride FIRST. The new groom got sloppy seconds.
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That last bit is actually a myth.

But yeah... It wasn't exactly all fun and games back then. That's for damn sure. Lol
 
RetiredNSmilin said:
The feudal Lord wakes up one day after his lady refused his bed the night before.

He sees you walking out of your hut all happy and refreshed, and kissing your lady.

He gets mad and orders his goons to kill your whole family and burn down your hut.

You can't EFFECTIVELY resist because he also banned you from owning any weapons, much less practicing with them so you can be good with them.

In the feudal system, and as now in the UK, YOU....YOU...are a SUBJECT, not a citizen.


Let's not forget the system the English had in Scotland where when a guy got married, the FEUDAL LORD, got to have sex with the bride FIRST. The new groom got sloppy seconds.
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Ever the historical nit picker, I would just point out Prima Nocta has not been shown to hold historical basis.

In various texts, rumoured, but it's never been proven as far as I'm aware.
 
I've thought about it.

An absolutely ideal feudal system characterized by a benevolent, honest, fair, selfless, etc... lord ruling over his kingdom with the best interest of all his subjects in mind and demanding that all of his lords rule their fiefdoms similarly could certainly be better than a bad capitalist or socialist economy but the problem with feudalism is that you could, and very often did, wind up with a ruler and lords who ran the gamut from being outright despots and tyrants along a continuum heading toward the "ideal" but never really arriving there.

In the event that the government was abusive, corrupt, dishonest, selfish, etc... there was absolutely no recourse for the population to arrive somehow at a better leadership without resorting to armed rebellion and the deck was almost always stacked against the subjects along these lines.

Ultimately, feudalism is no better than any other form of totalitarian government and to try to run a feudal economy without a feudal government is pointless since the two are so inextricably intertwined.

Either democratic socialism or capitalism is better.
 
soot said:
I've thought about it.

An absolutely ideal feudal system characterized by a benevolent, honest, fair, selfless, etc... lord ruling over his kingdom with the best interest of all his subjects in mind and demanding that all of his lords rule their fiefdoms similarly could certainly be better than a bad capitalist or socialist economy but the problem with feudalism is that you could, and very often did, wind up with a ruler and lords who ran the gamut from being outright despots and tyrants along a continuum heading toward the "ideal" but never really arriving there.

In the event that the government was abusive, corrupt, dishonest, selfish, etc... there was absolutely no recourse for the population to arrive somehow at a better leadership without resorting to armed rebellion and the deck was almost always stacked against the subjects along these lines.

Ultimately, feudalism is no better than any other form of totalitarian government and to try to run a feudal economy without a feudal government is pointless since the two are so inextricably intertwined.

Either democratic socialism or capitalism is better.
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Yeah. The philosopher king. Happened a bit. The problem is mortality. Their progeny doesn't always rule the same way. And the Bastards hate that kind of situation, so would be tirelessly working to re-establish their parasitic activities.
 
The Scots, those most stubborn of people, even gave up the feudal system back in 2000.
Have never considered this horrid system as legitimate in modern times though I have discussed the idea of a true monarchy with people before.

The problem as I've said before is that Socialism and Capitalism are fine concepts in their infancy. But human nature is inevitable and takes everything to its worse possible extreme.
That includes feudalism as evidenced by history.
 
Paleocon said:
This isn't a thread to debate whether the following statement is true, I just think it'd be quite interesting to gage how many people have even entertained this:

"Feudalism was a better system of government and economic system than capitalism and socialism"
Click to expand...

No, never entertained such a statement.

Specific to the statement: I suppose it is, as long as you are one of the nobility class. Other than that, forget it!
 
Jetboogieman said:
Ever the historical nit picker, I would just point out Prima Nocta has not been shown to hold historical basis.

In various texts, rumoured, but it's never been proven as far as I'm aware.
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I am sure you might be correct, however, I like to pick my nose, pick my ass, and pick my history. All three give me immense enjoyment.

Prima Nocta could very weel be one of those, " let them eat cake" type rumors that get started because those that started it had an agenda.
 
Gathomas88 said:
That last bit is actually a myth.

But yeah... It wasn't exactly all fun and games back then. That's for damn sure. Lol
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Hwey, if it was in the movie, Braveheart, I just HAS to be true...right?
 
Serfs up!

Being physically attached to a small plot of land that you must farm by hand puts you as an equal to a good donkey.
 
So the answer seems to be mostly no.

So most people have never even considered feudalism. What does that say about the myth of the marketplace of ideas.
 
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