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Forbes - Best Countries for Business

ARealConservative said:
we were #2 in 2009. We slid from #2 to #22 after "improving" healthcare.

the article explains the slide. mountains of new regulations have been added. monetary freedom has been reduced. we have failed to keep up with technological advances.

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Your link supports the not keeping up with technological advances factor. The rest, I fail to see in it. Maybe I just missed it.

The drop this year by the U.S. can be blamed on a couple of factors. Its rating fell relative to other countries on the World Bank’s measure of investor protection, which is part of the international financial institution’s annual “Doing Business” study. Blame poor scores on the “extent of shareholder governance.” The U.S. also got dinged on the World Banks’ tax component, as well as technological readiness per the World Economic Forum’s “Global Competiveness Report.”
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ARealConservative said:
if you did any digging at all, you would see how full of **** you are.
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You're quoted material (missing here because you didn't supply a link) states:

"The drop this year by the U.S. can be blamed on a couple of factors. Its rating fell relative to other countries on the World Bank’s measure of investor protection, which is part of the international financial institution’s annual “Doing Business” study. Blame poor scores on the “extent of shareholder governance.”

So it seems the Heritage original quote is at odds with the statement that follows!

How about a link to provide context?
 
Chomsky said:
Alright, it is a political forum so I'm not going to beat any more on a political comment. But my comment on the OP was pretty objective I thought, regardless of my personal desire for a single-payer healthcare system. If you'd like to politicize the issue further, it's your prerogative. In a political forum the thread will eventually turn to politics anyway I suppose.
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yeah, real objective.

after implementing affordable health care, we saw our ranking slide from #2 to #22.

clearly, government solutions are in order.

COOKOO COOKOO
 
Chomsky said:
You're quoted material (missing because you didn't supply a link) states:

"The drop this year by the U.S. can be blamed on a couple of factors. Its rating fell relative to other countries on the World Bank’s measure of investor protection, which is part of the international financial institution’s annual “Doing Business” study. Blame poor scores on the “extent of shareholder governance.”

So it seems the Heritage original quote is at odds with the statement that follows!

How about a link to provide context?
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the op's article links to it.

a monkey could find it.
 
Dittohead not! said:
Your link supports the not keeping up with technological advances factor. The rest, I fail to see in it. Maybe I just missed it.
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it is there:

it scores poorly on monetary freedom and bureaucracy/red tape. More than 150 new major regulations have been added since 2009 at a cost of $70 billion, according to the Heritage Foundation.
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ARealConservative said:
yeah, real objective.

after implementing affordable health care, we saw our ranking slide from #2 to #22.

clearly, government solutions are in order.

COOKOO COOKOO
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Cause and effect.

After electing a Republican Congress, we saw our ranking slide from #2 to #22.

That's not cause and effect. That's just coincidence. Were changes in health care to be the cause of the slide, then those nations with universal health care would be lower than the US.
 
Dittohead not! said:
Cause and effect.

After electing a Republican Congress, we saw our ranking slide from #2 to #22.

That's not cause and effect. That's just coincidence. Were changes in health care to be the cause of the slide, then those nations with universal health care would be lower than the US.
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haha.

logic is not your strong point.

we were #2 with employment based healthcare. you came in guns blazing citing a lack of universal health care as a reason we are not in the top 10.

facts show you can be as high as #2 (using their grading system) without such a system. you have an obvious agenda, but this article isn't going to be helpful to you.
 
ARealConservative said:
haha.

logic is not your strong point.

we were #2 with employment based healthcare. you came in guns blazing citing a lack of universal health care as a reason we are not in the top 10.

facts show you can be as high as #2 (using their grading system) without such a system. you have an obvious agenda, but this article isn't going to be helpful to you.
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So, your argument is that employer based health care is not a factor? Remember, being a factor doesn't mean the same thing as being the only cause.
 
Dittohead not! said:
So, your argument is that employer based health care is not a factor? Remember, being a factor doesn't mean the same thing as being the only cause.
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my argument is it isn't a factor in us dropping for the last 6 years. we reached #2 with such a system, so claiming that system is the cause for us to be at #22 is a huge error in logic
 
ARealConservative said:
my argument is it isn't a factor in us dropping for the last 6 years. we reached #2 with such a system, so claiming that system is the cause for us to be at #22 is a huge error in logic
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But, since all of the top ten countries do have a universal health care program, it could well be a factor, don't you think? How could taking the burden for health care off of the shoulders of the employers and cutting the costs of health care over all not make the country more business friendly?
 
Dittohead not! said:
But, since all of the top ten countries do have a universal health care program, it could well be a factor, don't you think? How could taking the burden for health care off of the shoulders of the employers and cutting the costs of health care over all not make the country more business friendly?
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I think you have an agenda and are trying very hard for this report to match your agenda.

they gave their explanation for the drop and you can even dig in and find all the reports that go into the ranking.
 
Dittohead not! said:
OK, then. Clearly, red tape and bureaucracy are a part of the problem. I wonder how the top ten nations are able to cut red tape and bureaucracy?
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I suspect its a lot easier for average people to influence government when the "country" is the size of a very large+ U.S. city. Compare U.S. to all of EU to get a better sense perhaps? Or India or China.
 
Dittohead not! said:
So, your argument is that employer based health care is not a factor? Remember, being a factor doesn't mean the same thing as being the only cause.
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No, it's really not a factor. Obamacare "got" rid of that "barrier" you are claiming. You can go to closed health care market (federal or state) and buy insurance. But even in UHC Germany, half of your health insurance "payment" (tax) is covered by your employer (7.2%) or yourself (if you are self-employed @ 15%).
 
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Mach said:
I suspect its a lot easier for average people to influence government when the "country" is the size of a very large+ U.S. city. Compare U.S. to all of EU to get a better sense perhaps? Or India or China.
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I'm sure it must be. So, is average people influencing government a factor in the country becoming more business friendly?
 
austrianecon said:
No, it's really not a factor. Obamacare "got" rid of that "barrier" you are claiming. You can go to closed health care market (federal or state) and buy insurance. But even in UHC Germany, half of your health insurance "payment" (tax) is covered by your employer (7.2%) or yourself (if you are self-employed @ 15%).
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What barrier did Obamacare get rid of? Seems like the employers are still paying for health insurance.
 
Dittohead not! said:
What barrier did Obamacare get rid of? Seems like the employers are still paying for health insurance.
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by still paying, you mean for the first time they face penalties for not paying.

prior to that, it was completely voluntary, and only prevalent because health care compensation gave them tax breaks not seen if just giving employees a larger salary.
 
Dittohead not! said:
What barrier did Obamacare get rid of? Seems like the employers are still paying for health insurance.
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1) It forced employers to pay for anybody over 30 hours or pay "fine".

2) You could opt out of employers plan and buy your own.
 
ARealConservative said:
by still paying, you mean for the first time they face penalties for not paying.

prior to that, it was completely voluntary, and only prevalent because health care compensation gave them tax breaks not seen if just giving employees a larger salary.
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So, what you're saying then is you think that Obamacare increased the barrier to taking the cost of medical care off of the shoulders of the employers. I can't disagree with that one.
 
Dittohead not! said:
So, what you're saying then is you think that Obamacare increased the barrier to taking the cost of medical care off of the shoulders of the employers. I can't disagree with that one.
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I am not sure what the bolded is supposed to mean.

Prior to Obama care, the employers had no pressure to provide health care. it wasn't a necessary cost of doing business, it was a choice - and a tool to provide more compensation without paying more payroll taxes.

So I could see Obamacare being treated as a negative in regards to business friendliness, but I don't think it was a factor at all in this particular study
 
And the same ranking (from the World Bank) for the EU alone, here. Scroll down to Page 6.

If Singapore is at the top-spot, then:
Denmark is 5th
UK 7th
Ireland 10th
Finland 11th
Sweden 14th, and
Germany 19th.
 
Dittohead not! said:
So, what you're saying then is you think that Obamacare increased the barrier to taking the cost of medical care off of the shoulders of the employers. I can't disagree with that one.
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I can.

Employers simply buy their insurance from local insurance-companies.

And if you look at the market for health-care insurance (for businesses), then it is very restricted and without much real competition*. Obama had to hope that competition would reduce overall costs, but it wont.

What it does is bring more people into health-care insurance, which is a boon to private-insurance.

Which, btw, costs an arm and a leg in the US compared to elsewhere (meaning the EU, which has a National HC System). Health Care insurance as a percentage of GDP, coloured map, here.

That "deepest-red country" (appropriate colour) means the most expensive of the lot ...

* ObamaCare's impact upon "competition" is very subdued. See that map at the county level, here.
 
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Dittohead not! said:
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Denmark is #1, while the US is #22. Why? Take a look at the list and see what you think the first ten have in common. Then, let's discuss how the US might join that top ten.
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This is nonsense.

If Single payer was such a boon for Bussineses and investment why did Vermont scrap its plan's to be the first State in the Union to offer Single Payer ?

Because a 161% increase in taxes would have destroyed their local economy and forced their tax base to move away.

NOT good for bussines.

Is worth mentioning that Denmark is a tiny Nation with ALLOT of Oil revenues and it STILL has the Highest taxes in Western Europe.

Highest taxes among Socialist European Nations and people want to bring that here ???
 
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