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I fed myself on $2 a day for a month — here are my 9 best tips for making it work

Yet Tony has no problem ignoring the enormous food subsidies for farmers that are baked into all agricultural legislation. The federal government has a duty to ensure the production they encourage (for pricing/market purposes) through subsidies is consumed on the front end. As if it would be possible to feed oneself on $2/day without that meddling interference by the federal government.
I think most of the subsidies to farmers, are to limit supply, to keep the price high,
and stable.
I am not sure if it is true, but the theory is that the bouncing prices would cause more
financial harm than the subsidies.
 
I think most of the subsidies to farmers, are to limit supply, to keep the price high,
and stable.
I am not sure if it is true, but the theory is that the bouncing prices would cause more
financial harm than the subsidies.

Some subsidies encourage higher prices (price support payments) just as other subsides encourage lower prices (market loss assistance). Along with crop insurance subsidies, agricultural legislation provides farmers with the support to maintain market share in a global environment.
 
Some subsidies encourage higher prices (price support payments) just as other subsides encourage lower prices (market loss assistance). Along with crop insurance subsidies, agricultural legislation provides farmers with the support to maintain market share in a global environment.

A subsidy does not usually help, but will usually do harm, if maintained for any much time.
 
A subsidy does not usually help, but will usually do harm, if maintained for any much time.

Thanks for your opinion.
 
Thanks for your opinion.

No problem. It's rather trivial general economics,though, there can be exceptions. But most subsidies aren't such.
 
It's rather trivial general economics,though, there can be exceptions. But most subsidies aren't such.

Again, thanks for your opinion.
 
It should be easy for families who are food insecure to get benefits in this land of plentyReally? This is the richest nation on Earth, it's distribution systems are unmatched, as is its food production....but somehow the ability to share/distribute basic sustenance easily and cheaply during recessions/depressions....is not self evident? Really.

Really. I prefer the method of "If any one will not work, let him not eat."

Again, it was not enough to provide 3 squares for anyone who is doing a lot of something, namely hustling to find employment. $1.37 per meal is food insecurity, is calorie restrictive, causes weight loss, increases stress in a highly stressful situation....and this is in a system where many do not use the system because of the hurdles put in place. SNAP in Tucson has offices where banners are in place celebrating the levels of "savings", ie denials. It is not a system to get help to those in need, it is a system built on limiting benefits as much as possible.

Neither should it provide 3 square meals. It's not something to live comfortably on, but something to get by on.


a feeling of smug or uncritical satisfaction with oneself or one's achievements.

Is that what you think I am, "complacent", when I talk about my experience in dealing with AHCCCS in AZ?
The forum rules won't allow me to tell you here how I feel about your person, but your argument can go straight to hell.

I meant more the feeling that you deserve the benefits, but an appeal to emotion carries no intellectual weight.
 
Starvation is not only death, and shortsighted argument that uses words it does not comprehend displays a general ignorance. I could go and point you to all sorts of documentation of starvation in the US as a result of the Great Depression, but why should I when it is available for anyone to know if they are interested.

Of course there was hunger. A large famine is going to do that. The point is, even without food stamps there was no mass starvation, so there is no intrinsic need for centrally planned food distribution. Since I advocate for subsidiarity, I am in favor of charity to handle the issue.

Again, it is the height of absurdity to believe that US charities did then or could now cope with US food distribution to those in need during economic depressions.

It is far from absurd. The Society of St. Vincent de Paul alone donates $675 million per year in assistance. This is nothing that you can just ignore.
 
Fail any stoner who blew all his money on weed can eat for 4 dollars a week, not 2 dollars a day, it is called ramen noodles.

Any crack head will do it for free. Actually make money after they sell your ****.
 
Really. I prefer the method of "If any one will not work, let him not eat."
OKay, you prefer starvation in a recession, TY Ayn Rand.
Neither should it provide 3 square meals. It's not something to live comfortably on, but something to get by on.
Again, you want greater levels of stress in depressions, yer sticking to the Ayn playbook.

I meant more the feeling that you deserve the benefits
If you need a thesaurus, get one.
but an appeal to emotion carries no intellectual weight.
I wonder, is this more ironic, or hypocritical....since you were making an accusation of complacency.
 
Of course there was hunger. A large famine is going to do that.
The US was not experiencing "famine" in the 30's.
The point is, even without food stamps there was no mass starvation
Again, you still ignore the meaning of YOUR OWN WORD, yes, there was widespread suffering from hunger.
, so there is no intrinsic need for centrally planned food distribution.
We have established there was widespread hunger, ergo, yer wrong again.
Since I advocate for subsidiarity, I am in favor of charity to handle the issue.
Again, it is stupid argument to argue for private charity to handle something they did not, and could not, it is beyond their capabilities, it is far more inefficient, there is no guarantee that it will be fair, especially when it is religion based.



It is far from absurd. The Society of St. Vincent de Paul alone donates $675 million per year in assistance. This is nothing that you can just ignore.
Whoo hoo, that works out to a whopping $15.57 per year for each 2013 SNAP recipient....or 4.2 cents per day.....A BOUNTY!!!
 
OKay, you prefer starvation in a recession, TY Ayn Rand.

Do you not see any problems in creating dependency? In encouraging laziness? Don't misunderstand, I'm not at all saying that everyone on food stamps is lazy, but what I am saying is that it does create a moral hazard, and the more benefits you give, the greater that the moral hazard is.

Again, you want greater levels of stress in depressions, yer sticking to the Ayn playbook.

What I want is for food stamps not to be something that people can live off of. Limiting it even to $30 per month would be a huge improvement.

If you need a thesaurus, get one.I wonder, is this more ironic, or hypocritical....since you were making an accusation of complacency.

I was making the case that you can't just ignore the moral hazard, as you are trying to do.
 
The US was not experiencing "famine" in the 30's.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dust_Bowl

Again, you still ignore the meaning of YOUR OWN WORD, yes, there was widespread suffering from hunger.

Of course there is hunger. We don't live in a utopia. The point is that the doomsday scenario that you think a world without food stamps would create, simply isn't true.

Again, it is stupid argument to argue for private charity to handle something they did not, and could not, it is beyond their capabilities, it is far more inefficient, there is no guarantee that it will be fair, especially when it is religion based.

So your response to the point is a simple NO, and you simply state again that it can't be done, despite any evidence. I'm unconvinced.

Whoo hoo, that works out to a whopping $15.57 per year for each 2013 SNAP recipient....or 4.2 cents per day.....A BOUNTY!!!

Again this is just 1 charitable organization, and this is what they give out on top of SNAP benefits. You're assuming ceteris paribus which is far from self-evident. Furthermore, how many of those receiving SNAP truly need the benefits, and how many could we take off of the system if the benefits were reduced and they worked instead?
 
Do you not see any problems in creating dependency? In encouraging laziness? Don't misunderstand, I'm not at all saying that everyone on food stamps is lazy, but what I am saying is that it does create a moral hazard, and the more benefits you give, the greater that the moral hazard is.
The causation of food insecurity in a depression...is lack of income. If you want to argue that the low income for the majority of SNAP recipients is due to laziness, I'm afraid you are permanently stuck in rw memes.



What I want is for food stamps not to be something that people can live off of.
Yes, when incomes have declined to zero, you want folks to starve, I got that already, it is an insane idea, but there you are.
Limiting it even to $30 per month would be a huge improvement.
0.30 cents per meal is....insane.



I was making the case that you can't just ignore the moral hazard, as you are trying to do.
You need to prove your point, you don't get to do so by repeating a rw meme.
 
Uh, only one "famine" hit in the entry...for Africa. Again, I think you need to look up "famine" and then prove your point. You are in college, right?



Of course there is hunger. We don't live in a utopia. The point is that the doomsday scenario that you think a world without food stamps would create, simply isn't true.
SNAP is a US program, we are focused on the US during depressions, we know starvation was a real condition during the 1930's, where as it was nearly unheard of during this depression and recovery.



So your response to the point is a simple NO, and you simply state again that it can't be done, despite any evidence. I'm unconvinced.
It is a no based on previous research, private charities can only supply roughly 10% of current needs.



Again this is just 1 charitable organization, and this is what they give out on top of SNAP benefits. You're assuming ceteris paribus which is far from self-evident.
It isn't my argument to prove, the burden is upon you, your argument is that private charity can fill the need. Of course, your argument will include figures like 30 cents per meal.
Furthermore, how many of those receiving SNAP truly need the benefits, and how many could we take off of the system if the benefits were reduced and they worked instead?
There are all sorts of work and income limits in place that have to be reported on a continual basis to remain qualified. But again, when you have argument where you think folks should only get 30 cents per meal, we are not dealing with serious argument or intellectual honesty. Again, if you want to show all of the households that should be cut, go for it, I don't have to prove your point.
 
Interesting article!

So basically, he skipped veggies & protein (except peanut butter), and lived off of bland pasta with no real additives.

I give him credit for doing it, but it's not sustainable.

The Peanut Butter was a good call I think, though.

pbutter and bread and I can live forever :)

In my college days it was hotdogs (as they are good cooked or raw) and corn nuts :D
Edit: Oh. And vodka...
 
The causation of food insecurity in a depression...is lack of income. If you want to argue that the low income for the majority of SNAP recipients is due to laziness, I'm afraid you are permanently stuck in rw memes.

I wouldn't say totally, but there is no doubt that it reduces their incentive to work.

Yes, when incomes have declined to zero, you want folks to starve, I got that already, it is an insane idea, but there you are.0.30 cents per meal is....insane.

Ugh, be honest, this type of debate is ridiculous and if you're going to continue like this then I'm done. I've already said that I want charities to handle charity.

You need to prove your point, you don't get to do so by repeating a rw meme.

I need to prove that giving out benefits can create dependency? Seriously?
 
Uh, only one "famine" hit in the entry...for Africa. Again, I think you need to look up "famine" and then prove your point. You are in college, right?

A famine is a scarcity of food. What happens when you have a drought that impacts harvests?

SNAP is a US program, we are focused on the US during depressions, we know starvation was a real condition during the 1930's, where as it was nearly unheard of during this depression and recovery.

And what's also unheard of during this "recovery" is any real recovery for most people.

It is a no based on previous research, private charities can only supply roughly 10% of current needs.

So the 1800s and early 1900s simply didn't happen?
 
I wouldn't say totally, but there is no doubt that it reduces their incentive to work.
I'm sure that is what you believe.



Ugh, be honest, this type of debate is ridiculous and if you're going to continue like this then I'm done.
If you are going to stick with 30 cents a meal argument, I would stop too....since it is an insane argument.
I've already said that I want charities to handle charity.
Yes, you have a habit of repeating the same thing over and over without supporting it.


I need to prove that giving out benefits can create dependency? Seriously?
Hint: Don't deal in absolutes, show your work, provide real world evidence of the level, stop relying on rhetorical questions....this is an academic forum, raise your standard.
 
A famine is a scarcity of food. What happens when you have a drought that impacts harvests?
You didn't show changes in US yields, I can show corn did not, wheat data is not so available, and I know that crops were being destroyed to cause price increases for farmer support.....but again, here I am proving YOUR point.



And what's also unheard of during this "recovery" is any real recovery for most people.
Another rw meme used as a diversion from the argument at hand. I 'll take it as a concession, yer argument is running out of gas. The point is that the supplements in this recession kicked in to maintain food security



So the 1800s and early 1900s simply didn't happen?
If you have data on food insecurity being met during the various depressions by charities in those periods, bring it on....instead of again relying on rhetorical questions.
 
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If you have data on food insecurity being met during the various depressions by charities in those periods, bring it on....instead of again relying on rhetorical questions.

The evidence is the lack of mass starvation despite there being no governmental safety net.
 
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