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why should today's youth be loyal to capitalism?

Fox News LOL The Slime

 
kjwins said:
How would know whats it like to be young today. You don't, your bitter & old. GL with that.
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Old....meh...middle age. Bitter? Nah. My life is fricken awesome. If you are seeking a more appropriately descriptive secondary emotion, go with 'disgust' at the ever growing number of crippled and dependent pets eager for others to do what they have proven they are incapable of....take care of themselves.

Disgust...much more appropriate.
 
VanceMack said:
Old....meh...middle age. Bitter? Nah. My life is fricken awesome. If you are seeking a more appropriately descriptive secondary emotion, go with 'disgust' at the ever growing number of crippled and dependent pets eager for others to do what they have proven they are incapable of....take care of themselves.

Disgust...much more appropriate.
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Good for you, your life is not in question. But this does sound like something Hitler would say. Your right disgust is more appropriate.
 
Good Day Sir
 
kjwins said:
Good for you, your life is not in question. But this does sound like something Hitler would say. Your right disgust is more appropriate.
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Hitler? :lamo Hitler made populist appeals to the masses. It's what you supports.

Hitler

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VanceMack said:
Hitler? :lamo Hitler made populist appeals to the masses. It's what you supports.

Hitler

:lamo
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Just reading an article & thought of you.

Old....meh...middle age. Bitter? Nah. My life is fricken awesome. If you are seeking a more appropriately descriptive secondary emotion, go with 'disgust' at the ever growing number of crippled and dependent pets eager for others to do what they have proven they are incapable of....take care of themselves.

Disgust...much more appropriate.
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“People who blindly slot themselves into the collective already make themselves into something like inert material, extinguish themselves as self-determined beings,”Adorno writes about the technocrat. “With this comes the willingness to treat others as an amorphous mass.”

Chris Hedges: Flint?s Crisis Is About More Than Water - Chris Hedges - Truthdig
 
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VanceMack said:
As compared to "Fox News"????

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We do not possess the intellectual skills—and this is by design—that permit us to question power, to see ourselves as part of a long human continuum. We have forgotten, or never been taught, that each individual must be seen as an ultimate end if we are to retain any human decency and hope. Once we depersonalize others, once we forget who we are and where we came from, we make evil possible. “Act so that humanity, both in your own person and that of others, be used as an end in itself, and never as a mere means,” Immanuel Kant wrote. If we cannot think morally, if we live devoid of empathy, if our advancement comes at the expense of the other, if we lose touch with the wisdom of the past, we cannot rebel. And if we do not rebel we will sustain a system that will ultimately slay us.

Chris Hedges: Flint?s Crisis Is About More Than Water - Chris Hedges - Truthdig
 
kjwins said:
Just reading an article & thought of you.




“People who blindly slot themselves into the collective already make themselves into something like inert material, extinguish themselves as self-determined beings,”Adorno writes about the technocrat. “With this comes the willingness to treat others as an amorphous mass.”

Chris Hedges: Flint?s Crisis Is About More Than Water - Chris Hedges - Truthdig
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The sad thing is...you bleat on about a 'collective' while embracing your role as the oppressed and downtrodden 90%

Collective? Yeah...talk about them. Talk about yourself.
 
VanceMack said:
The sad thing is...you bleat on about a 'collective' while embracing your role as the oppressed and downtrodden 90%

Collective? Yeah...talk about them. Talk about yourself.
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What makes you think I'm in the 90%. Or as you like to think the amorphous mass. You can't handle the truth. LOL
 
We do not possess the intellectual skills—and this is by design—that permit us to question power, to see ourselves as part of a long human continuum. We have forgotten, or never been taught, that each individual must be seen as an ultimate end if we are to retain any human decency and hope. Once we depersonalize others, once we forget who we are and where we came from, we make evil possible. “Act so that humanity, both in your own person and that of others, be used as an end in itself, and never as a mere means,” Immanuel Kant wrote. If we cannot think morally, if we live devoid of empathy, if our advancement comes at the expense of the other, if we lose touch with the wisdom of the past, we cannot rebel. And if we do not rebel we will sustain a system that will ultimately slay us.
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Translation: you lost Heart, or never had one to begin with.

Good Day Sir.
 
kjwins said:
What makes you think I'm in the 90%. Or as you like to think the amorphous mass. You can't handle the truth. LOL
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Frankly I have no idea who and what you are. There is no indication in your posting if you are a grizzled old 85 year old senior citizen sitting over a bowl of gruel or a 12 year old kicking and stomping about fair and unfair. Either way...you have in the span of a few posts invoked Fox News and Hitler. So at the end of the day...all we can be sure that you are is irrelevant.
 
WCH said:
Wanting free **** that others have to pay for is not a sustainable system. Your friends will eventually suffer as they have to pay for these freebies.
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If you boil every economic argument down to that simple philosophy maybe.

Most of us do not demand "free ****" we want "fair compensation" and a "society" not built on social Darwinism
 
VanceMack said:
Frankly I have no idea who and what you are. There is no indication in your posting if you are a grizzled old 85 year old senior citizen sitting over a bowl of gruel or a 12 year old kicking and stomping about fair and unfair. Either way...you have in the span of a few posts invoked Fox News and Hitler. So at the end of the day...all we can be sure that you are is irrelevant.
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What makes you relevant, your Fox News taking points, your Hitler like rants, or both. Just calling it like I see it, & your the one who posted the Fox News video. If the clown nose fits, you have to wear it.
 
tacomancer said:
This article is very insightful and got me thinking about why we are seeing someone like Bernie Sanders' rise in popularity:

Peggy Noonan: Socialism Gets a Second Life — The Patriot Post



Particularly this line hits the mark, I think. For those, including many people my age, in their thirties, the example of the economy has been anything but friendly towards folks our age or younger. We struggle to find decent and meaningful work and to feel like full participants in the greater society.

We have a great generation that is not being fully utilized and there is resentment being built up about the current system as a result of that under utilization.

People may complain that Sanders is socialist, but here the real question, why should this generation feel any loyalty to a more pure form of capitalism given that their experience with capitalism has been poor? Everything we know about human nature suggests that people will not stick with a system that they don't feel to be a full member of. Why would the expectation of today's youth be any different from that basic understanding of human nature?

Personally, I seem to be doing pretty well in today's economy (I could be doing better, but I survive, have little debt, eat well, and am not living hand to mouth), but most of my friends, some of whom are more talented than I am, are not. Honestly, I don't blame them for seeking a system where they feel like they will be a full participant in society.
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"Yeah! What has Capitalism ever done but screw us!"

... He typed on his smartphone...
 
Lafayette said:
Which is what I am doing in this forum.

And, rather well, I think - you've got a lot to learn about "rights" ...
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You think going on this forum is fighting for your rights?

I know alot more then you. You are the one who is fighting for their "rights" on a forum. Money talks, bull**** walks.. when you learn that, you'll learn a forum isn't how you stand up for your rights.
 
tacomancer said:
You still have it wrong. Government can be a vehicle sure, but your view is too narrow, think outside the libertarian box.

Rights exist because we have an instinctive need for certain societal arrangements, we need love, sex, esteem, property, food, safety, power, security, certainty, children, morality, a tribe, a sense of belonging, etc...

Government has nothing to do with basic human biological drives. We model social interaction from those drives and the need to satisfy them, we have rights because it's an efficient way to self satisfaction
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Answer me this.. where in the basic human biological drive is there a need for due process, freedom of speech, need for warrants and so forth? There is none. Rather it's the philosophy of Locke which shaped the Declaration of Independence and the US Constitution which recognize these rights as unalienable.
 
kjwins said:
Funny how you stop at the 1970's. The same time when wages became stagnant & manufacturing jobs started to be off shored. Kids are not any lazier today than when you were young. Their degrees are useless because there's no jobs. You do realize that China has been growing 6% or higher a year for the last 20 years. US growth around 2%. China now has a Middle Class, the US Middle Class is shrinking & most of us are in massive debt.

10% of the people in the US have 90% of the wealth. 90% of the people have to fight for 10 % of the wealth. That's the definition of a Banana Republic. Just because YOU maybe in the 10% does not mean you will stay there. Don't close your eyes to what is going on.
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While Kids aren't lazier then previous generations because Gen X and even Baby boomers in their early adult years were called "Me Generation" at the time. It's largely an age issue once you get past a certain age, reality kicks in but for Millennials it has dragged out past what previous Generations accomplished. Millennials typically achieve the 5 "steps" of adulthood (jobs, move out, financially independent, marriage, kids) about 5 years later then previous generations (previous generations age 25, Millennials age 30).

I am a Millennial, a very early one, and there is a massive difference in society today then there was when I was a kid in 1980s, early 1990s. Technology has changed so fast but our ability to educated in fields where jobs are plenty we refuse to do. For example.. there is a serious Nursing shortage in this country. By 2020 there will be a shortage of 1 million nurses. That's 1 million jobs out there that won't be filled because many Millennials don't want to do those jobs. Being a nurse is a high paying job. Average wage is $27 an hour. That's over $50,000 a year. Yet people want to blame the economy?!?!?!

Then another fact is Millennials are the first generation who were mostly raised under a two family income and while that's a good thing from a feminist point of view or even a maninist (made it up), it's actually harming Millennials who are competing for jobs against their parents. Millennials are gonna be the generations in which people realize that having a two income family maybe more harmful then it does good. Now don't get me wrong.. It's not males should work or women should stay at home thing with me.. rather We as a society have to rid the Feminist stigma of a stay at home mom that has popped up since the 1970s and the dirty looks and laughs a stay at home dad gets. It's a vital part of bringing up wages as wages were much higher when there was a limited supply of workers. Since the two worker family popped up along with the decline of manufacturing and the growth of service sector wages have fallen.

China can grow at 6% because it was a 3rd world economy and is barely a 2nd world economy now. China is going through the process that Western economies went through 100 plus years ago.
 
austrianecon said:
While Kids aren't lazier then previous generations because Gen X and even Baby boomers in their early adult years were called "Me Generation" at the time. It's largely an age issue once you get past a certain age, reality kicks in but for Millennials it has dragged out past what previous Generations accomplished. Millennials typically achieve the 5 "steps" of adulthood (jobs, move out, financially independent, marriage, kids) about 5 years later then previous generations (previous generations age 25, Millennials age 30).

I am a Millennial, a very early one, and there is a massive difference in society today then there was when I was a kid in 1980s, early 1990s. Technology has changed so fast but our ability to educated in fields where jobs are plenty we refuse to do. For example.. there is a serious Nursing shortage in this country. By 2020 there will be a shortage of 1 million nurses. That's 1 million jobs out there that won't be filled because many Millennials don't want to do those jobs. Being a nurse is a high paying job. Average wage is $27 an hour. That's over $50,000 a year. Yet people want to blame the economy?!?!?!

Then another fact is Millennials are the first generation who were mostly raised under a two family income and while that's a good thing from a feminist point of view or even a maninist (made it up), it's actually harming Millennials who are competing for jobs against their parents. Millennials are gonna be the generations in which people realize that having a two income family maybe more harmful then it does good. Now don't get me wrong.. It's not males should work or women should stay at home thing with me.. rather We as a society have to rid the Feminist stigma of a stay at home mom that has popped up since the 1970s and the dirty looks and laughs a stay at home dad gets. It's a vital part of bringing up wages as wages were much higher when there was a limited supply of workers. Since the two worker family popped up along with the decline of manufacturing and the growth of service sector wages have fallen.

China can grow at 6% because it was a 3rd world economy and is barely a 2nd world economy now. China is going through the process that Western economies went through 100 plus years ago.
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I,m a Gen X'er. We are more the tune out generation & not as much the me generation as boomers. Xer's are more the I don't give a **** generation.

I have 2 kids that are Millennials. One that is just out of college & 40k in debt. One in college, that more than likely will be in debt after. My kids work & bust their ass just like the generations before them. So when I hear people rip on them I tend to say **** you. Kids today do not have the same opportunity as their parents. Cost more to go to school & less jobs when you get out.

I don't know all that much about a shortage of nurses, but can think of a few factors that could be part of the problem.

1. Its one of the few jobs that can not be off shored or replaced by a machine.

2. Its a tough job that not everyone can do, no matter how smart or committed you are. I have an in-law that is a nurse, you would not believe the horror & human grief that comes with the job. I have heard some of the stories.

3. Its an expensive job to go to school for & if your parents are not paying for it. You will be in debt a good part of your life. Kids today get out of college & have debts bigger than a mortgage on a nice house. 50k a year is an OK wage, but how far in the hole do you want to be, to start your life.

4. Americans are some of the most unhealthy people in the world, we eat like crap. More people will need a nurse in this country.

Moms went to work because they had to. Like I said wages have been stagnant since the 1970's. Most people can not make it with one person working & less good jobs to be had. I agree one parent should stay home, just not possible since wages have been stagnant.

China is growing because corporations moved capital & jobs from this country to there. All in the name of paying lower wages & making themselves more money. They sold us out, its plain & simple GREED.
 
austrianecon said:
Your rights only extend to you and your person. When you work for someone else your rights end and are up to the employer.
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Illogical.

I exist as a person, and have rights regardless of whether I am working or not.

My rights as a worker must be taken in to consideration by my employer and are codified in law - in most advanced countries. (The US not necessarily amongst them, given the fact that anybody can be fired at a moment's notice.)

Like Trump's TV show, "Your fired!" Worker rights are treated with amusement in the US.

They are dead-serious in the EU (as most modern economies) and companies pay dearly for infraction of them.
 
austrianecon said:
Money talks, bull**** walks.. when you learn that, you'll learn a forum isn't how you stand up for your rights.
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Blah, blah, blah ... blather.

A forum is the best place for general debate that informs people of their rights and points them in the direction forward.

Moving right along ...
 
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