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Child Care is Out of Reach for Working Families Earning the Minimum Wage

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This isn't surprising, but it really exemplifies a problem, a lack of decent child care for low wage workers.
Child Care is Out of Reach for Working Families Earning the Minimum Wage | Economic Policy Institute
When you compare the cost of child care to minimum wages across the nation, it becomes apparent just how difficult it is for families living off of a minimum-wage income to afford child care. For example, in Hawaii, the state with the median state minimum wage ($7.75), a minimum-wage worker would have to work full-time from January until July—or 1,162 hours—to cover annual child-care costs for a 4-year-old. Infant care, meanwhile, costs even more—a minimum-wage worker in Hawaii would have to work full-time from January until September (1,548 hours) to pay for a year of infant care.
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Ruf life buds.

Supply and demand says that the value you add to the company is trivial. Perhaps you shouldn't have had kids. All I can do is hope that their kids make something out of their education so that they can escape poverty, and that they rightfully confront their parents about having had children even though they were in a ****ty position.
 
Ruf life buds.

Supply and demand says that the value you add to the company is trivial. Perhaps you shouldn't have had kids. All I can do is hope that their kids make something out of their education so that they can escape poverty, and that they rightfully confront their parents about having had children even though they were in a ****ty position.

Yes, a rough life that people shouldn't have to experience, tell me, what is our child poverty compared to other developed countries?
Child poverty in the U.S. is among the worst in the developed world - The Washington Post
Oh please, don't give me the you shouldn't have had kids crap. The KIDS ARE HERE. Oh, it'd be nice if the kids had access to decent child care, a good education..
 
Yes, a rough life that people shouldn't have to experience, tell me, what is our child poverty compared to other developed countries?
Child poverty in the U.S. is among the worst in the developed world - The Washington Post
Oh please, don't give me the you shouldn't have had kids crap. The KIDS ARE HERE. Oh, it'd be nice if the kids had access to decent child care, a good education..

They have access to an education. That is the sole tool they need for making something big out of their parents' idiocy.
 
They have access to an education. That is the sole tool they need for making something big out of their parents' idiocy.

Oh, of course they do, but it's a fact that kids in poverty struggle, due to many factors, such as a rough home life, not knowing where the next meal is coming from (Quite a few kids rely on free school lunches to get by), needing to work to help the family make ends meet (Teenagers), etc..
Calling parents idiots because their kids are poor really shows the blatant hatred of libertarians.
 
Yes, a rough life that people shouldn't have to experience, tell me, what is our child poverty compared to other developed countries?
Child poverty in the U.S. is among the worst in the developed world - The Washington Post
Oh please, don't give me the you shouldn't have had kids crap. The KIDS ARE HERE. Oh, it'd be nice if the kids had access to decent child care, a good education..

You are free to donate your personal income to whatever charities you feel would help address this issue that you are so passionate about.

Part of being an adult is to make sure that you can properly raise kids when you chose to have them. Too bad some aren't adult enough to make that decision.
 
You are free to donate your personal income to whatever charities you feel would help address this issue that you are so passionate about.

Part of being an adult is to make sure that you can properly raise kids when you chose to have them. Too bad some aren't adult enough to make that decision.

I already do, through the form of taxes going to assistance programs, and I donate my own money to other groups as well. Ugh, you just don't get it. It doesn't freaking matter if you believe the parents are idiots, if you believe all poor parents are morons, if you believe it's their fault and they don't need assistance.. THE KIDS ARE HERE. The right wing cares more about a zygote then a 5 year old child because the mother is a "deadbeat welfare slut who gets food stamps."
 
I already do, through the form of taxes going to assistance programs, and I donate my own money to other groups as well. Ugh, you just don't get it. It doesn't freaking matter if you believe the parents are idiots, if you believe all poor parents are morons, if you believe it's their fault and they don't need assistance.. THE KIDS ARE HERE. The right wing cares more about a zygote then a 5 year old child because the mother is a "deadbeat welfare slut who gets food stamps."

I can see your concerns, but the point is more fundamental. The focus should be on preventing further exacerbation of this problem which, as you point out, is already or apparently dire - the root causes, in other words.

It's clear-cut that this intersects with personal responsibility and its decline. We should ask, 'Why are those in the lower echelons making demonstrably selfish choices?'

My father was once on the 'minimum wage' or its equivalent, but he bloody well didn't plan on starting his family then. You would agree, that had he, it would have been a selfish choice?
 
I can see your concerns, but the point is more fundamental. The focus should be on preventing further exacerbation of this problem which, as you point out, is already or apparently dire - the root causes, in other words.

It's clear-cut that this intersects with personal responsibility and its decline. We should ask, 'Why are those in the lower echelons making demonstrably selfish choices?'

My father was once on the 'minimum wage' or its equivalent, but he bloody well didn't plan on starting his family then. You would agree, that had he, it would have been a selfish choice?
It's clear-cut that this intersects with personal responsibility and its decline
:lol:
It's always the same from conservatives.
 
This isn't surprising, but it really exemplifies a problem, a lack of decent child care for low wage workers.
No, what it exemplifies is poor planning on the idiots part.

Society should not be supporting the poor planning of idiots.
 
You're claiming anyone that is poor who has children is an idiot, blah blah.. more stupid **** from the right.
Clearly you don't pay attention.


Again.
No, what it exemplifies is poor planning on the idiots part.

Society should not be supporting the poor planning of idiots.


While poor thought processes may lead many to be economically poor, it is still idiotic not to plan. Society should not be footing the bill for their poor planning.
 
Clearly you don't pay attention.


Again.
No, what it exemplifies is poor planning on the idiots part.

Society should not be supporting the poor planning of idiots.


While poor thought processes may lead many to be economically poor, it is still idiotic not to plan. Society should not be footing the bill for their poor planning.

Oh, I pay attention, and I showed you exactly what you said. Good job restating it.
 
Oh, I pay attention, and I showed you exactly what you said. Good job restating it.
No you didn't.
It is funny that you actually think you did.
 
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No you didn't.
It is funny that you actually thing you did.

You do realize you're literally claiming what I accuse you of? You're claiming all poor parents with children are "idiots."
 
You do realize you're literally claiming what I accuse you of? You're claiming all poor parents with children are "idiots."
D'oh!

No. "Poor" is your claim.

iLOL
 
D'oh!

No. "Poor" is your claim.

iLOL

Come on, who the hell do you think you're talking about?
No, what it exemplifies is poor planning on the idiots part.

Society should not be supporting the poor planning of idiots.
This is a thread about child care and minimum wage workers. Are you seriously saying MW workers aren't poor?
 
Come on, who the hell do you think you're talking about?

This is a thread about child care and minimum wage workers. Are you seriously saying MW workers aren't poor?
You haven't established that they are poor.


And in comparison to the "real" poor of the world they are well off.
 
D'oh!
iLOL

You are the one claiming they are "poor".

THEY ARE POOR. Jesus christ, almost every person in America knows what "poor" represents, if someone is working a MW job and can't get decent child care, they're poor. I love the typical right wing voodoo when it comes to poverty, "OH MY GOD, THEY HAVE A MICROWAVE, POVERTY ISN'T REAL!"
 
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