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Child Care is Out of Reach for Working Families Earning the Minimum Wage

David_N said:
Oh, of course they do, but it's a fact that kids in poverty struggle, due to many factors, such as a rough home life, not knowing where the next meal is coming from (Quite a few kids rely on free school lunches to get by), needing to work to help the family make ends meet (Teenagers), etc..
Calling parents idiots because their kids are poor really shows the blatant hatred of libertarians.
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The parents are idiots because they had kids in the first place, not because the kids themselves are poor.
 
David_N said:
THEY ARE POOR. Jesus christ, almost every person in America knows what "poor" represents, if someone is working a MW job and can't get decent child care, they're poor. I love the typical right wing voodoo when it comes to poverty, "OH MY GOD, THEY HAVE A MICROWAVE, POVERTY ISN'T REAL!"
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Poor in America is still pretty hilarious.

"Not knowing where the next meal is going to come from."

Food stamps

"House"

Section 8

I can go on for a bit further with this.
 
Luftwaffe said:
Poor in America is still pretty hilarious.

"Not knowing where the next meal is going to come from."

Food stamps

"House"

Section 8

I can go on for a bit further with this.
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Average Monthly Food Stamp Benefits Per Person | The Henry J. Kaiser Family Foundation
In the U.S., more than 3.5 million people experience homelessness each year. 35% of the homeless population are families with children, which is the fastest growing segment of the homeless population. 23% are U.S. military veterans.
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David_N said:
THEY ARE POOR. Jesus christ, almost every person in America knows what "poor" represents, if someone is working a MW job and can't get decent child care, they're poor.
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No, they really are not "poor".
And MW jobs are meant to be entry level, not family subsistence employment. Which again leads us right back to idiocy.
The ones who aren't idiots are the ones who plan ahead and do not fall into such and those who actually get their self out of such a predicament on their own.


David_N said:
I love the typical right wing voodoo when it comes to poverty, "OH MY GOD, THEY HAVE A MICROWAVE, POVERTY ISN'T REAL!"
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Irrational inanity.
 
Excon said:
No, they really are not "poor".
And MW jobs are meant to be entry level, not family subsistence employment. Which again leads us right back to idiocy.
The ones who aren't idiots are the ones who plan ahead and do not fall into such and those who actually get their self out of such a predicament on their own.


Irrational inanity.
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You're now arguing that poor people don't exist in america. I'm done.
 
David_N said:
You're now arguing that poor people don't exist in america. I'm done.
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No.

You have failed to support your argument that they are poor.
 
David_N said:
This isn't surprising, but it really exemplifies a problem, a lack of decent child care for low wage workers.
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What is your solution?

The reason I ask is we are seeing an economic problem where demand for childcare has forced costs to rise above inflation year on year, something not handled well by just throwing government money at the problem. I know that means low wage workers are impacted first, but the typical government spending solution does not address service supply issues to find equilibrium to demand. You are liable to cause another higher education type costs impact, the more government money thrown at it the faster the cost increases rise (again, already above inflation but now made worse.)
 
OrphanSlug said:
What is your solution?

The reason I ask is we are seeing an economic problem where demand for childcare has forced costs to rise above inflation year on year, something not handled well by just throwing government money at the problem. I know that means low wage workers are impacted first, but the typical government spending solution does not address service supply issues to find equilibrium to demand. You are liable to cause another higher education type costs impact, the more government money thrown at it the faster the cost increases rise (again, already above inflation but now made worse.)
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Release: Sanders Proposes Early Child Care Program - Senator Bernie Sanders of Vermont
many other ideas.
 
OrphanSlug said:
You clearly did not read my post, throwing money at the problem does not address not having enough supply of childcare services to meet the demand for that service.
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I'm pretty sure the supply is there, it may be lacking in some areas, but at that point, the state needs to step in and make sure those areas have the service. This is what is done with public education.
 
David_N said:
Poor: lacking sufficient money to live at a standard considered comfortable or normal in a society.
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Is that what you think it is? iLOL
Your newfangled definition doesn't cut it.

: having little money or few possessions : not having enough money for the basic things that people need to live properly
Poor | Definition of poor by Merriam-Webster​

Accoutrements and comfortability are not necessities.


David_N said:
This is a first world country.
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And they still are not poor.


David_N said:
Child poverty in the U.S. is among the worst in the developed world - The Washington Post
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iLOL
Biased bs is what you have provided.
The UN is not an honest arbiter of anything.
 
Excon said:
Is that what you think it is? iLOL
Your newfangled definition doesn't cut it.

: having little money or few possessions : not having enough money for the basic things that people need to live properly
Poor | Definition of poor by Merriam-Webster​

Accoutrements and comfortability are not necessities.


And they still are not poor.


iLOL
Biased bs is what you have provided.
The UN is not an honest arbiter of anything.
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Let me google that for you
First result.
Seriously? Biased. IT'S FACTUAL.
https://img.washingtonpost.com/wp-a...og/files/2014/10/childhood_poverty.png&w=1484
 
David_N said:
What are you talking about?
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Are you not able to follow?

It is you who claiming those receiving MW are poor while providing no proof that they are.
 
Excon said:
I see you are again not paying attention.

Again.

iLOL
Biased bs is what you have provided.
The UN is not an honest arbiter of anything.​
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Dude, you now want to argue that the data I've shown you is fake.
Publications - Children of the Recession: The impact of the economic crisis on child well-being in rich countries
Get out of here.
NCCP | Child Poverty
http://www.homelesschildrenamerica.org/mediadocs/280.pdf
Nearly half of all food stamp recipients are children, and they averaged about $5 a day for their meals before the 2014 farm bill cut $8.6 billion (over the next ten years) from the food stamp program.
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Over half of public school students are poor enough to qualify for lunch subsidies, and almost half of black children under the age of six are living in poverty.
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The Numbers Are Staggering: U.S. Is 'World Leader' in Child Poverty | Alternet
 
Excon said:
Are you not able to follow?

It is you who claiming those receiving MW are poor while providing no proof that they are.
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Using common sense and the accepted description of poverty by the majority of people in america, yes, they are indeed poor, unless they're living in a household decently above the poverty line.
 
David_N said:
Dude, you now want to argue that the data I've shown you is fake.
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I see you still are not paying attention.
I said biased bs. The UN is not an honest arbiter of anything.


David_N said:
Nearly half of all food stamp recipients are children, and they averaged about $5 a day for their meals before the 2014 farm bill cut $8.6 billion (over the next ten years) from the food stamp program.
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Over half of public school students are poor enough to qualify for lunch subsidies, and almost half of black children under the age of six are living in poverty.
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Really?
You think that make your point?
iLOL It doesn't.
That isn't being poor in the traditional sense.



David_N said:
Using common sense and the accepted description of poverty by the majority of people in america, yes, they are indeed poor, unless they're living in a household decently above the poverty line.
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More inanity.
Just stop. You are not using common sense and have no idea what the actual majority of people in the US actually think.

But we do have the traditional definition of the word "Poor", which does apply. Not your newfangled meaning.

And the established line of poverty doesn't mean they are poor in the definitional sense, especially as someone living under that demarcation can still live comfortably.
 
Excon said:
I see you still are not paying attention.
I said biased bs. The UN is not an honest arbiter of anything.


Really?
You think that make your point?
iLOL It doesn't.
That isn't being poor in the traditional sense.



More inanity.
Just stop. You are not using common sense and have no idea what the actual majority of people in the US actually think.

But we do have the traditional definition of the word "Poor", which does apply. Not your newfangled meaning.

And the established line of poverty doesn't mean they are poor in the definitional sense, especially as someone living under that demarcation can still live comfortably.
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I said biased bs. The UN is not an honest arbiter of anything.
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Prove the evidence I've shown you about US child poverty is false. I'll be waiting.
But we do have the traditional definition of the word "Poor", which does apply. Not your newfangled meaning.
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I used the definition found on the first google search of "poor"
Right at the top:
poor
po͝or,pôr/Submit
adjective
adjective: poor; comparative adjective: poorer; superlative adjective: poorest
1.
lacking sufficient money to live at a standard considered comfortable or normal in a society.
"people who were too poor to afford a telephone"
synonyms: poverty-stricken, penniless, moneyless, impoverished, low-income, necessitous, impecunious, indigent, needy, destitute, pauperized, unable to make ends meet, without a sou; More
antonyms: rich, wealthy
(of a place) inhabited by people without sufficient money.
"a poor area with run-down movie theaters and overcrowded schools"
2.
worse than is usual, expected, or desirable; of a low or inferior standard or quality.
"her work was poor"
synonyms: substandard, below par, bad, deficient, defective, faulty, imperfect, inferior; More
antonyms: superior
deficient or lacking in.
"the water is poor in nutrients"
synonyms: deficient in, lacking in, wanting in, weak in; More
dated
used ironically to deprecate something belonging to or offered by oneself.
"he is, in my poor opinion, a more handsome young man"
3.
(of a person) considered to be deserving of pity or sympathy.
"they inquired after poor Dorothy's broken hip"
synonyms: unfortunate, unlucky, luckless, unhappy, hapless, ill-fated, ill-starred, pitiable, pitiful, wretched
"you poor thing!"
antonyms: lucky
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David_N said:
Prove the evidence I've shown you about US child poverty is false. I'll be waiting.
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D'oh!
And again.
The UN is not the arbiter here and they are not an unbiased source.



David_N said:
I used the definition found on the first google search of "poor"
Right at the top:
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iLOL
I am more than aware of what you used.

I used Merriam-Webster. And what I provided is the traditional sense of the word.
Not what you used.
 
MaggieD said:
One wonders why minimum wage workers with a couple of kids wouldn't start a child care business.
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Excellent idea, Maggie.
 
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