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Who Gets This Economics Joke?

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Here are two slight variations of the same joke...

Economics Joke #l: Two economists walked past a Porsche showroom. One of them pointed at a shiny car in the window and said, "I want that." "Obviously not," the other replied. - David D. Friedman

An example of a popular joke among economists: two economists see a Ferrari. "I want one of those," says the first. "obviously not," replies the other. - Matthew Bishop

Do you get the joke? Please reply with your answer. I'm curious how many forum members understand why this is funny.
 
If he really wanted it he would already have it (or so an economist detached from reality would argue) :nails
 
If they were keynesian economists would they go home print some money and then go and buy the porsche - :lol:
 
If they were keynesian economists would they go home print some money and then go and buy the porsche - :lol:

And if they were austerians, they would fire their assistants in hopes of saving up for it, lose business/money as a result, and go further into debt than if they hadn't tried to save money in the first place.
 
If they were keynesian economists would they go home print some money and then go and buy the porsche - :lol:

Another instance of misunderstanding (actually it is bastardizing at an epic level) Keynesianism.
 
If he really wanted it he would already have it (or so an economist detached from reality would argue) :nails

So anybody who argues that actions speak louder than words is detached from reality?
 
And if they were austerians, they would fire their assistants in hopes of saving up for it, lose business/money as a result, and go further into debt than if they hadn't tried to save money in the first place.

So if taxpayers could choose where their taxes go...then austerians wouldn't have much money to spend in the public sector. Am I right?
 
Another instance of misunderstanding (actually it is bastardizing at an epic level) Keynesianism.

There's nothing more tragic or indeed pathetic than someone taking aim at light hearted banter in the form of a joke. :roll: :shock:

As for Keynesian Economics it was so successful in Britain during the 1970's and I understand very clearly indeed. :lol:

The tragic failure of Keynesian economics | Institute of Economic Affairs

A message from the 1970s on state spending - Telegraph
 
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Hmmm....I am thinking that the joke is referencing the economic concept of Demand. Demand has two parts to its definition, the first is the easy part, that you have "a want/desire for something"...second part is harder...."and the ability to pay for it."

Obviously most economists cannot afford the Ferrari and so they only fulfill the desire part... not particularly hilarious, but certainly expressing the idea.
 
As for Keynesian Economics it was so successful in Britain during the 1970's and I understand very clearly indeed. :lol:

To be fair, the people of the early 1930's didn't have all that great a time with laissez-faire.
 
Hmmm....I am thinking that the joke is referencing the economic concept of Demand. Demand has two parts to its definition, the first is the easy part, that you have "a want/desire for something"...second part is harder...."and the ability to pay for it."

Obviously most economists cannot afford the Ferrari and so they only fulfill the desire part... not particularly hilarious, but certainly expressing the idea.

There are a heck of a lot of people who don't fully understand what you just said. Yes, for demand to exist, there not only has to be desire, there has to be the ability to pay for. I'm glad you brought that up.

Going a little off topic, that's a large part of the reason why we are highly likely to run into more unemployment in the future if we don't have more government intervention in our economy as far as dealing with distribution of income. As we become more and more productive per hour, our productivity will eventually outstrip the growth of demand (both desire and ability to pay), and there simply will not be enough jobs for every family to have a full time job (by the way we currently define "full time").

As that happens we will either need more and more welfare, or we will suffer more and more poverty, or both. Neither are acceptable to me, and I doubt that they will be acceptable to the general public. I suspect that as we get closer to that point, hard core "cut taxes for the rich and reduce government spending" type conservatism may become far less and less popular.

Fortunately, increased poverty and increased taxes on the non-rich to support those who can't find jobs does not have to be our only alternative. We could take steps to keep demand high, things like cutting tax rates for the non-rich and taxing all income identically, instead of giving huge tax breaks to the rich (particularly in the form of capital gains and inheritance tax). And/or we could lower the 40 hour a week threshhold for overtime to spread the jobs that we do have enough so that there is at least one job for every family.

We actually saw the spreading of jobs throughout all of the 20th century, our average work week fell by about 20 hours per worker. With the exception of establishing the minimum wage, this pretty much happened naturally, through natural market forces (and with a little help from unions). However, one of the things that allowed this to happen was that our work/leisure preference changed, especially during the late '40's through the '70's. During those decades, incomes rose at all income brackets more or less evenly. Since the income for the bottom 95% or so has stagnated or even declined just a tad during the past 35 years or so, I don't know that we will continue to see this natural shift towards prefering more leisure time.
 
So anybody who argues that actions speak louder than words is detached from reality?

Anyone who thinks that people can afford anything they want is. I want a personal Gulfstream, but I cannot afford one.
 
Anyone who thinks that people can afford anything they want is. I want a personal Gulfstream, but I cannot afford one.

Who's making the argument that people can afford anything they want?
 
Who's making the argument that people can afford anything they want?

I am sure you are angling on making your tax choice argument again, so why talk in circles? I'm all for it--I want all my taxes to go to the military and nothing else.
 
There are a heck of a lot of people who don't fully understand what you just said. Yes, for demand to exist, there not only has to be desire, there has to be the ability to pay for. I'm glad you brought that up.

What about willingness to pay?

Going a little off topic, that's a large part of the reason why we are highly likely to run into more unemployment in the future if we don't have more government intervention in our economy as far as dealing with distribution of income. As we become more and more productive per hour, our productivity will eventually outstrip the growth of demand (both desire and ability to pay), and there simply will not be enough jobs for every family to have a full time job (by the way we currently define "full time").

Again, what about willingness to pay?

As that happens we will either need more and more welfare, or we will suffer more and more poverty, or both. Neither are acceptable to me, and I doubt that they will be acceptable to the general public. I suspect that as we get closer to that point, hard core "cut taxes for the rich and reduce government spending" type conservatism may become far less and less popular.

We'll need more and more welfare because we'll be doing more with less? How does that make sense? A resource can be used in more than one way and some ways are more beneficial than other ways. Markets allow consumers to spend their money on whichever uses create the most benefit. Because entrepreneurs have an incentive to discover new and better uses of society's limited resources...the amount of benefit is always increasing. So we'll need more and more welfare because we are using resources to create more benefit? Nope. If we need more and more welfare then it will because people like you fail to understand and appreciate the preference revelation problem. The preference revelation problem means that the government will waste resources on less beneficial uses. That's what leads to the need for more and more welfare.

Fortunately, increased poverty and increased taxes on the non-rich to support those who can't find jobs does not have to be our only alternative. We could take steps to keep demand high, things like cutting tax rates for the non-rich and taxing all income identically, instead of giving huge tax breaks to the rich (particularly in the form of capital gains and inheritance tax). And/or we could lower the 40 hour a week threshhold for overtime to spread the jobs that we do have enough so that there is at least one job for every family.

Keeping demand high depends on entrepreneurs coming up with new and innovative uses for society's limited resources. This ties into the idea of efficiently allocating resources. Do you know what it means for resources to be efficiently allocated?

We actually saw the spreading of jobs throughout all of the 20th century, our average work week fell by about 20 hours per worker. With the exception of establishing the minimum wage, this pretty much happened naturally, through natural market forces (and with a little help from unions). However, one of the things that allowed this to happen was that our work/leisure preference changed, especially during the late '40's through the '70's. During those decades, incomes rose at all income brackets more or less evenly. Since the income for the bottom 95% or so has stagnated or even declined just a tad during the past 35 years or so, I don't know that we will continue to see this natural shift towards prefering more leisure time.

Do you really care about people's true preferences? In other words...do you really care about demand?
 
Can you explain how markets cause depressions?

Markets with the adherence of monetary policy going solely to financial institutions. You will never see a depression when those in poverty have too much money and malinvest. That is usually caused by banks.
 
I am sure you are angling on making your tax choice argument again, so why talk in circles? I'm all for it--I want all my taxes to go to the military and nothing else.

The point of this thread is to see how many people get this popular economics joke. What are the political/economic implications of people saying that they want things that they aren't truly willing to pay for?
 
The point of this thread is to see how many people get this popular economics joke. What are the political/economic implications of people saying that they want things that they aren't truly willing to pay for?


Aren't willing or can't afford? Most people who could afford a nicer car are willing to pay for it.
 
The point of this thread is to see how many people get this popular economics joke. What are the political/economic implications of people saying that they want things that they aren't truly willing to pay for?

Because there is a difference between "willing" and "capable". Preference revelation happens on election day. People elect the people that they think will support, on bulk, the things they support or as close to it as they can get. Allowing people to choose where all their tax dollars go would create waste when people chose to over fund some thing, not to mention some things would not be funded as needed. It also fails to take into account that a big chunk of that federal money is borrowed.
 
Markets with the adherence of monetary policy going solely to financial institutions. You will never see a depression when those in poverty have too much money and malinvest. That is usually caused by banks.

So banks can malinvest but governments cannot? How does that make any sense? Markets work because when organizations in the private sector malinvest...they lose money. What happens when government organizations malinvest?
 
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