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How can we combat gas prices?

Benyahmin

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It amazes me how passive we are about the gas prices. $3.00 a gallon is outrageous considering the gas companies were already turning profits at $.95 per gallon 6 years ago. Oil & Gas companies are giggling about record profits and stock prices while Americans and Canadians are being bled dry at the pump. Isn't it ironic that one of Dubya's 1st campaign slogan's was "Don't get Gored at tthe Pump".
 
Benyahmin said:
It amazes me how passive we are about the gas prices. $3.00 a gallon is outrageous considering the gas companies were already turning profits at $.95 per gallon 6 years ago. Oil & Gas companies are giggling about record profits and stock prices while Americans and Canadians are being bled dry at the pump. Isn't it ironic that one of Dubya's 1st campaign slogan's was "Don't get Gored at tthe Pump".

Why doesn't Bush just jawbone OPEC? He said that would do the trick.

The only thing I can think of why he doesn't do this is that he wants gas prices high because it creates big profits for his oil industry buddies.
 
"War for oil" has a nice ring to it now, don't it? I used to get sick to the protest chants. Most protesters have no idea what they are saying. Fads and ideologies fade with time.
 
GySgt said:
"War for oil" has a nice ring to it now, don't it? I used to get sick to the protest chants. Most protesters have no idea what they are saying. Fads and ideologies fade with time.


Huh?


please tell me this was uncoherent rant.
 
128shot said:
Huh?


please tell me this was uncoherent rant.

It's true. People everywhere will want their gas prices back to normal. These same people will moan and cry about our foreign policy in the Middle East. They can't have it both ways, though ideologies desperately try to.
 
GySgt said:
It's true. People everywhere will want their gas prices back to normal. These same people will moan and cry about our foreign policy in the Middle East. They can't have it both ways, though ideologies desperately try to.


it does matter anyway. these new prices are here to stay.


The Mother of all agrees with me. Planet earth and her geology.
 
Benyahmin said:
It amazes me how passive we are about the gas prices. $3.00 a gallon is outrageous considering the gas companies were already turning profits at $.95 per gallon 6 years ago. Oil & Gas companies are giggling about record profits and stock prices while Americans and Canadians are being bled dry at the pump. Isn't it ironic that one of Dubya's 1st campaign slogan's was "Don't get Gored at tthe Pump".
You guys haven't even seen a high price unless you've been to Britain lately. $3.00 per gallon? Try $1.70 per litre, we've had prices at around a pound a litre for ages, and even diesels getting up there seeing as everyone went out and bought one for the cheaper juice. I think around 80% of our cost is fuel tax.
 
I don't think War for Oil theory is meant to be the equivalent of a War for Cheap Gas theory.

I think the two are not the same. But it is easier to refute the War for Cheap Gas theory with just a few sentences.
 
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Exactly and thats what the Bush apologists on these boards don't understand. They don't even understand the basic argument that the "blood for oil" protest has nothing to do with cheap gas prices. George's war isn't about providing cheap gas, its about making sure that he and his oil buddies get rich off the backs of American workers and the lives of American soldiers.
 
disneydude said:
George's war isn't about providing cheap gas, its about making sure that he and his oil buddies get rich off the backs of American workers and the lives of American soldiers.
Fwiw, I don't subscribe to that version of the theory either.
 
disneydude said:
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Exactly and thats what the Bush apologists on these boards don't understand. They don't even understand the basic argument that the "blood for oil" protest has nothing to do with cheap gas prices. George's war isn't about providing cheap gas, its about making sure that he and his oil buddies get rich off the backs of American workers and the lives of American soldiers.
Like Democratic Senator Jay Rockefeller?
 
cnredd said:
Like Democratic Senator Jay Rockefeller?
All of our lives'd be much simpler if evil really did only exist in the other guys.
 
Benyahmin said:
It amazes me how passive we are about the gas prices. $3.00 a gallon is outrageous considering the gas companies were already turning profits at $.95 per gallon 6 years ago. Oil & Gas companies are giggling about record profits and stock prices while Americans and Canadians are being bled dry at the pump.

The current profit margin for the oil companies is 9%. That's 9 cents on the dollar. At current prices that is about 27 cents per gallon. Taxes run 18% to 27% so why not cut taxes so the government doesn't profit as much?

Isn't it ironic that one of Dubya's 1st campaign slogan's was "Don't get Gored at tthe Pump".

Since Gore ran on a campaign to raise the tax of gas to get the price to $6.00 a gallon I fail to see the irony. BTW in Europe they still pay double what we pay in dollars.

Let me guess, you are against drilling in the vast desolate Artic regions.
 
Iriemon said:
The only thing I can think of why he doesn't do this is that he wants gas prices high because it creates big profits for his oil industry buddies.

Amazing that a rational person would conclude that the President would put such an economic burden on the country, harming his own Presidency, just to help some other guys out just because they are buds.

Sometimes I just have to sigh.......
 
disneydude said:
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Exactly and thats what the Bush apologists on these boards don't understand. They don't even understand the basic argument that the "blood for oil" protest has nothing to do with cheap gas prices. George's war isn't about providing cheap gas, its about making sure that he and his oil buddies get rich off the backs of American workers and the lives of American soldiers.

He has no financial interest in it. So you are really going to post here that it is your learned opinion, after taking a reasonable and logical look at the evidence, that Bush and his advisors sat in the White House and planned how to make some of his "buddies" rich by doing something that harms the country and his presidency, with nothing to gain. "Legacy be d***ed, those boys need to make some money so lets just come up with a way to shoot gas prices up. Screw the people"

That's what you serious rationalize?

Amazing.
 
Why do we need to "combat" gas prices? If you want the price to go down, stop using so much of it and convince others to do the same.

Personally I think the government should put a heavy punitive tax on gasoline, say an additional $2 per gallon. The oil market doesn't automatically correct for externalities such as pollution, and Muslims blowing **** up.
 
In light of the recent reportings of Exxon's outrageous profit reports and retirement deals (didn't someone just retire from Exxon with $356 million?), a recent report on Newsradio88 suggested that the prices will continue to go up for several months, then drop to levels that, in contrast, would appear 'cheap'-giving consumers the false sense that they're getting a 'bargain'.
The 'legitimate' reasons for the increases, ie; refinery disruptions due to the coming change to ethanol and OPEC's price-settings, sound more like excuses from a kid caught stealing cookies.
New Jersey has laws that stipulate price changes can only occur once every 24 hours and the state is said to be 'vigilantly' watching for violations.
There are a couple of things we can do, if nothing else but to save our wallets from imploding: Go online and check for 'cheap gas' in your area. MSN Autos has a compiled list for most zip codes with the cheapest prices. Don't buy premium. Unless you're driving a Porshe, Corvette or PT Cruiser GT, it isn't necessary. Make gas buying a budget thing, rather than just getting a few dollars worth when needed. Combine trips-don't go home after work, then back out to the grocery store-less miles driven is, of course, less gas used.
We're still a LOT cheaper than Europe, where filling up a 15 gallon tank in some countries would run you over $100 US.
 
Stinger said:
"Legacy be d***ed Screw the people"

Amazing.

You think Bush gives a crap about legacy? I think you made the argument better than I.

What is truly amazing is that there is ample evidence that shows that Rumsfield wanted to invade Iraq 20 years ago. The facts stare some people in the face and they continue to stare right past it. I guess ignorance is truly bliss.
 
disneydude said:
You think Bush gives a crap about legacy? I think you made the argument better than I.


Absolutely. So why would he wreck the economy and ruin his ratings and his historical legacy just so some other guys can make some money? Your intellect tells you that he and his adminstration would ruin themselves simply so that these "buddies" can get rich.

Do you know how empty that arguement is?

What is truly amazing is that there is ample evidence that shows that Rumsfield..............

Which has nothing to do with this discussion and is called "shifting the subject" a tactic used when you can't maintain your argurment on the basis of it's own merit.
 
Stinger said:
Which has nothing to do with this discussion and is called "shifting the subject" a tactic used when you can't maintain your argurment on the basis of it's own merit.

If you can't see how ON the topic that is, then you really aren't looking at the big picture. Something that I often suspect is the case with those who continue to support this war and their president.
 
Benyahmin said:
It amazes me how passive we are about the gas prices. $3.00 a gallon is outrageous considering the gas companies were already turning profits at $.95 per gallon 6 years ago. Oil & Gas companies are giggling about record profits and stock prices while Americans and Canadians are being bled dry at the pump. Isn't it ironic that one of Dubya's 1st campaign slogan's was "Don't get Gored at tthe Pump".

I think the Governemt needs to stop scratching the backs of oil fat cat CEO's and demand that the oil companies reduce their top paid exec's salaries.

What do these guys really do to deserve $400,000,000.00 a year?
 
GySgt said:
"War for oil" has a nice ring to it now, don't it? I used to get sick to the protest chants. Most protesters have no idea what they are saying. Fads and ideologies fade with time.

Oh come on even Bill O'Reilly said that it's ludicrice to jack up the price per barrel to $70.00 because of fear that the U.S. might invade Iran.

This ain't war for oil it's war for profit!
 
It amazes me how passive we are about the gas prices. $3.00 a gallon is outrageous considering the gas companies were already turning profits at $.95 per gallon 6 years ago. Oil & Gas companies are giggling about record profits and stock prices while Americans and Canadians are being bled dry at the pump. Isn't it ironic that one of Dubya's 1st campaign slogan's was "Don't get Gored at tthe Pump".

Those profits at .95 a gallon were during a time when oil was a lot easier to find and a lot easier to pump and refine. Now, an increasing percentage of what we find are little tiny fields that are exhausted in a couple of years and that yield oil the consistency of peanut butter. That costs more to handle.

It's true. People everywhere will want their gas prices back to normal. These same people will moan and cry about our foreign policy in the Middle East. They can't have it both ways, though ideologies desperately try to.

For once, GySgt and I are in agreement--if we want cheap oil, from here on out we'll have to kill for it.

Personally I think the government should put a heavy punitive tax on gasoline, say an additional $2 per gallon. The oil market doesn't automatically correct for externalities such as pollution, and Muslims blowing **** up.

If we wish to avoid a Mad Maxx/ Night of the Living Dead type scenario, try $20.00 per gallon.

In light of the recent reportings of Exxon's outrageous profit reports and retirement deals (didn't someone just retire from Exxon with $356 million?), a recent report on Newsradio88 suggested that the prices will continue to go up for several months, then drop to levels that, in contrast, would appear 'cheap'-giving consumers the false sense that they're getting a 'bargain'.

The oil majors don't set the price of oil. PERIOD. The market does, and it's a very efficient market. It would be next to impossible to manipulate it.

Look, just do the math. Suppose we stripped that CEO of his $365 million retirement package. At $70.00 a barrel, we could purchase 5 million barrels of oil. That's less than 25% of the oil the United States uses in a single day. Take the $40 billion dollars in reported profits from the majors last year. At $70 a barrel, that's enough money to buy the world a 6 day supply of oil.

The 'legitimate' reasons for the increases, ie; refinery disruptions due to the coming change to ethanol and OPEC's price-settings, sound more like excuses from a kid caught stealing cookies.

I don't know what you mean by OPEC's price setting--they have no real spare capacity to speak of. The MTBE/ ethanol bit is a distraction from the real issues, so you'll get no argument from me there.

The reason oil is becoming more expensive right now is because demand is increasing while supply is staying constant. In the past, until roughly the middle of 2004, supply grew year over year and month over month. That is no longer the case. Eventually, no matter what we do (and this will be sooner rather than later), the production of oil will enter into irreversible decline.
 
GySgt said:
"War for oil" has a nice ring to it now, don't it? I used to get sick to the protest chants. Most protesters have no idea what they are saying. Fads and ideologies fade with time.

A better ring then "War for dollar dominance using oil trade as a means to that end"

Of course, then all the talk about you fighting for my freedom gets stepped on and we can't have that, can we?

Of course not. Our actions never have anything to do with maintaining our monopoly on the fiat money supply. Its all about freedom.

:spin:
 
Saboteur said:
I think the Governemt needs to stop scratching the backs of oil fat cat CEO's and demand that the oil companies reduce their top paid exec's salaries.

What do these guys really do to deserve $400,000,000.00 a year?

First it is not the business of government to do any such thing. Second the Exxon exc who just retired made I believe around $685 million of 12 years, he did so by turning the company around and making lots of money for the owners (mostly retired people, people with money in the stock market, IRA's, 401-K's etc.)

Third that would do little for oil prices or the price of gas.

Jealousy will not bring down gas prices.
 
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