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What would you do if you found out the person you've been seeing for seven years has lied about their age... By like eight years?

Sure, lots of women lie about their age... But eight years?

And that hat wouldn't even bother me really. She looked amazing when I thought she was 48... At 56 it's unreal!

The trouble is, it turns every story she ever told me about herself into complete and utter BS.
 
I wouldnt care about the age. I would care more about your last statement, "it turns every story she ever told me about herself into complete and utter BS.". Mainly cuz I was in a year and a half long relationship with a woman who was a pathological liar. Its never good, and makes you miserable.
 
I honestly wouldn't care. I mean, if we've gotten along this well, then it just shows that our respective ages don't matter. 8 years isn't even a lot.
 
Women, many of them wonderful, have been lying about their ages for a very long time now. I would not take the fact a woman lied about her age to be any indication that she was dishonest generally. That is a pretty white lie, as lies go, and I would think nothing of it if I liked most other things about her.
 
What would you do if you found out the person you've been seeing for seven years has lied about their age... By like eight years?

Sure, lots of women lie about their age... But eight years?

And that hat wouldn't even bother me really. She looked amazing when I thought she was 48... At 56 it's unreal!

The trouble is, it turns every story she ever told me about herself into complete and utter BS.

I agree with what Dem said. Women lie about their ages all the time. It's part of the territory. But the rest of it? Your last line? No way, man. How do you know that you can ever, ever trust her with anything she ever says?
 
I agree with what Dem said. Women lie about their ages all the time. It's part of the territory. But the rest of it? Your last line? No way, man. How do you know that you can ever, ever trust her with anything she ever says?

Exactly. And Dem, mine is a pathological liar as well. In fact, a severe narcissist. I didn't realize until three years ago and tried everything to get her into therapy to treat it. Epic fail. Her facade is that good. But once you get a peek underneath it, you become a target.

She's nearly destroyed my life.
 
What would you do if you found out the person you've been seeing for seven years has lied about their age... By like eight years?

Sure, lots of women lie about their age... But eight years?

And that hat wouldn't even bother me really. She looked amazing when I thought she was 48... At 56 it's unreal!

The trouble is, it turns every story she ever told me about herself into complete and utter BS.

Better 48 lying about 56 than 24 lying about 16!
 
Better 48 lying about 56 than 24 lying about 16!

Funny, but moot. I would never even consider being with anyone more than ten years difference in age. And definitely not someone in their 20s.

She told me all these stories about how she had her first child in college, what a struggle it was... How she never got to experience the carefree life others in college did... All bull****. She had her first child at 30 with a career as a nurse and married to a DDS.

She also lied about being a nurse practitioner... She's an RN. Nothing to sneeze at, yet just more BS.
I'm just venting... My mind and heart are currently whirring 'round a cuisanart.

And I think you meant better than 16 lying about 24...
 
Exactly. And Dem, mine is a pathological liar as well. In fact, a severe narcissist. I didn't realize until three years ago and tried everything to get her into therapy to treat it. Epic fail. Her facade is that good. But once you get a peek underneath it, you become a target.

She's nearly destroyed my life.

So sorry. :( I know that this is easy for me to say, but can't you just walk away? Just pack your **** and bolt?
 
Funny, but moot. I would never even consider being with anyone more than ten years difference in age. And definitely not someone in their 20s.

She told me all these stories about how she had her first child in college, what a struggle it was... How she never got to experience the carefree life others in college did... All bull****. She had her first child at 30 with a career as a nurse and married to a DDS.

She also lied about being a nurse practitioner... She's an RN. Nothing to sneeze at, yet just more BS.
I'm just venting... My mind and heart are currently whirring 'round a cuisanart.

Did you find this all out at once? Or over time? Good grief, is she even telling the truth about her name?
 
What would you do if you found out the person you've been seeing for seven years has lied about their age... By like eight years?

Sure, lots of women lie about their age... But eight years?

And that hat wouldn't even bother me really. She looked amazing when I thought she was 48... At 56 it's unreal!

The trouble is, it turns every story she ever told me about herself into complete and utter BS.

Reminds me of Obama and America's voters.

Reminds me of Muslims and all of America.

I say, "Screw her!"
 
Funny, but moot. I would never even consider being with anyone more than ten years difference in age. And definitely not someone in their 20s.

She told me all these stories about how she had her first child in college, what a struggle it was... How she never got to experience the carefree life others in college did... All bull****. She had her first child at 30 with a career as a nurse and married to a DDS.

She also lied about being a nurse practitioner... She's an RN. Nothing to sneeze at, yet just more BS.
I'm just venting... My mind and heart are currently whirring 'round a cuisanart.

And I think you meant better than 16 lying about 24...

Man, it sucks to be lied to no matter what and especially so when it's over something as inconsequential as age.
 
From what I read, it's not so much a "fib" about age but, rather, the lies about everything else. She's a liar. This is a betrayal. I don't know how you get over discovering that everything you thought you knew and understood was a lie.
 
Did you find this all out at once? Or over time? Good grief, is she even telling the truth about her name?

Yes, she's telling the truth about her name. That's how I found out about her age. I looked up her nursing license... If she was 48 then she got her nursing license at 13 in 1980.

Walking away would be ideal. Yet it has gotten much more complicated.. Legally.

To start with, she posted false information about me an a broken hearts site. This particular site refuses to take any posts down, regardless of who requests it. It's an extortion site. To have the defaming post removed will cost $1500 for the first, $1000 for the second.

In it she accuses me of being a sexual predator of teens, an embezzler, a ruiner of many businesses, using wealthy women for their money, and on and on. So when anyone, friends, business partners, employers, backers search my name and location, those are the first two Google results. To file a defamation suit is a $7500 retainer. Which I have a year to get. And I will.

The she did everything she could to get me to let her into my house, begin the emotional and psychological abuse, refusing to leave, forcing me to leave to escape, gained access to my phone, iPad, texts and emails... And stole all the money I had saved to transition from employed to business start up. This after I had to physically remove her from my house 5 times, and she would stand outside for up to an hour, yelling through the mail slot, ringing the doorbell incessantly, yelling through windows...

So when I discovered the missing money, I started blowing up her phone to bring it back. She filed harassment against me and got a restraining order. Fortunately, what she forgot was that one of her abusive sessions and 20 minute refusal to leave is on a recording she agreed to make. Totally admissible.

Now... She's lied to me for years about everything, heaped massive emotional and psychological abuse on me, nearly destroyed my life.... Isn't capable of acknowledging her behaviors or what it does to others... And I still want to help her.

Worlds biggest idiot.
 
Though first I'm going to sue her ass off.
 
Yes, she's telling the truth about her name. That's how I found out about her age. I looked up her nursing license... If she was 48 then she got her nursing license at 13 in 1980.

Walking away would be ideal. Yet it has gotten much more complicated.. Legally.

To start with, she posted false information about me an a broken hearts site. This particular site refuses to take any posts down, regardless of who requests it. It's an extortion site. To have the defaming post removed will cost $1500 for the first, $1000 for the second.

In it she accuses me of being a sexual predator of teens, an embezzler, a ruiner of many businesses, using wealthy women for their money, and on and on. So when anyone, friends, business partners, employers, backers search my name and location, those are the first two Google results. To file a defamation suit is a $7500 retainer. Which I have a year to get. And I will.

The she did everything she could to get me to let her into my house, begin the emotional and psychological abuse, refusing to leave, forcing me to leave to escape, gained access to my phone, iPad, texts and emails... And stole all the money I had saved to transition from employed to business start up. This after I had to physically remove her from my house 5 times, and she would stand outside for up to an hour, yelling through the mail slot, ringing the doorbell incessantly, yelling through windows...

So when I discovered the missing money, I started blowing up her phone to bring it back. She filed harassment against me and got a restraining order. Fortunately, what she forgot was that one of her abusive sessions and 20 minute refusal to leave is on a recording she agreed to make. Totally admissible.

Now... She's lied to me for years about everything, heaped massive emotional and psychological abuse on me, nearly destroyed my life.... Isn't capable of acknowledging her behaviors or what it does to others... And I still want to help her.

Worlds biggest idiot.

Have you any chance of having her arrested?
 
From what I read, it's not so much a "fib" about age but, rather, the lies about everything else. She's a liar. This is a betrayal. I don't know how you get over discovering that everything you thought you knew and understood was a lie.

That's just it, if she told me truth, I wouldn't have cared. She is the one woman I can say it just wouldn't have mattered. I'd post a picture of her and you would all loose your minds... She's that physically amazing. Brilliant, creative, hardworking, beautiful universe(world) view....
 
Have you any chance of having her arrested?

I've submitted the complaint, and all the evidence, yet the prosecutor is already working on her trumped up case against me. Very minor. Telephonic harassment. It was a brilliant ploy. So it may have to wait until court, or I'll wait until this is over and refile the claim. I'm pretty sure my lawyer is on it. He's had past experience with sociopaths... And likes taking them down.
 
I've submitted the complaint, and all the evidence, yet the prosecutor is already working on her trumped up case against me. Very minor. Telephonic harassment. It was a brilliant ploy. So it may have to wait until court, or I'll wait until this is over and refile the claim. I'm pretty sure my lawyer is on it. He's had past experience with sociopaths... And likes taking them down.

Cover your butt, hon. Document EVERYTHING. That will be your saving grace. Save emails, texts, try to record any conversations with her. Print out where she stole your money, if you can. And get you a safe-deposit box at the bank that she doesn't know about, and save it all there. Also, start keeping your cash there, too. ;)
 
That's just it, if she told me truth, I wouldn't have cared. She is the one woman I can say it just wouldn't have mattered. I'd post a picture of her and you would all loose your minds... She's that physically amazing. Brilliant, creative, hardworking, beautiful universe(world) view....

Meh, beauty fades. Character is what matters.
 
That's just it, if she told me truth, I wouldn't have cared. She is the one woman I can say it just wouldn't have mattered. I'd post a picture of her and you would all loose your minds... She's that physically amazing. Brilliant, creative, hardworking, beautiful universe(world) view....

Politically, how does she lean?
 
Yes, she's telling the truth about her name. That's how I found out about her age. I looked up her nursing license... If she was 48 then she got her nursing license at 13 in 1980.

Walking away would be ideal. Yet it has gotten much more complicated.. Legally.

To start with, she posted false information about me an a broken hearts site. This particular site refuses to take any posts down, regardless of who requests it. It's an extortion site. To have the defaming post removed will cost $1500 for the first, $1000 for the second.

In it she accuses me of being a sexual predator of teens, an embezzler, a ruiner of many businesses, using wealthy women for their money, and on and on. So when anyone, friends, business partners, employers, backers search my name and location, those are the first two Google results. To file a defamation suit is a $7500 retainer. Which I have a year to get. And I will.

The she did everything she could to get me to let her into my house, begin the emotional and psychological abuse, refusing to leave, forcing me to leave to escape, gained access to my phone, iPad, texts and emails... And stole all the money I had saved to transition from employed to business start up. This after I had to physically remove her from my house 5 times, and she would stand outside for up to an hour, yelling through the mail slot, ringing the doorbell incessantly, yelling through windows...

So when I discovered the missing money, I started blowing up her phone to bring it back. She filed harassment against me and got a restraining order. Fortunately, what she forgot was that one of her abusive sessions and 20 minute refusal to leave is on a recording she agreed to make. Totally admissible.

Now... She's lied to me for years about everything, heaped massive emotional and psychological abuse on me, nearly destroyed my life.... Isn't capable of acknowledging her behaviors or what it does to others... And I still want to help her.

Worlds biggest idiot.
seems the trophy has tarnished
unfortunare, because it is obvious you (still) care about her very much
but she has abused your kindnesses

i had a canned response to your opening question where she lied about her age. if that was the extent of the misrepresentation then i would cut her a break in the belief that she lied to be found acceptable by you in a way she may not have been had you known her real chronological age. a bit flattering, actually; she wanted to put her best foot forward to enable a relationship that may never have been possible but for the obviously credible lie

unfortunately, the betrayal is WAY beyond misrepresenting her age. she is spreading malicious rumors about your character. and stealing your money put away for a prudent purpose. then refusing to leave when you insisted - well, maybe you weakened on that front. is she entitled to a legal interest in the home in any way; on the mortgage, deed, lease? if so, that will complicate things considerably. can't force someone to vacate their own legal residence
did y'all have separate accounts, or joint ones? that might prove to be significant relative to whether she was committing theft or 'just' spending assets in a way you did not approve
her professional qualifications being puffed socially is an effort to be seen in the best (but again misleading) light. if she does it professionally, it could be a huge issue; fraud, potentially

but you still care enough to want to help
does she care enough to help herself?
if not, do whatever you must to protect your own interests
she must want to change to actually begin to change

i feel for you. those big pluses suddenly turned into major minuses before you saw the change coming. look out for number one. if there is anything else, help her - if you feel the need to do so

as lucy says, that will be 5c please
 
First let me say how deeply I appreciate everyone's thoughts and advice. I've kind of been losing my mind and desperately needed to talk things through...

Cover your butt, hon. Document EVERYTHING. That will be your saving grace. Save emails, texts, try to record any conversations with her. Print out where she stole your money, if you can. And get you a safe-deposit box at the bank that she doesn't know about, and save it all there. Also, start keeping your cash there, too. ;)

Way ahead on the record keeping. I've known for the last three years that she's suffering from a severe form of narcissism. You don't see it unless you get close to her. I started recording and documenting everything in the hope it would help with therapy.

We didn't live together and had separate finances. This was all cash. Good advise, lesson learned. I just never expected she would stoop that low.. Or the public defamation.

Meh, beauty fades. Character is what matters.

Exactly. Honestly, I fell madly in love with her long before ever seeing her. Not sure what is facade and what is real anymore.

Politically, how does she lean?

Don't know. She used to say other, but she's all excited about Hillary, so... Shrugs.

seems the trophy has tarnished
unfortunare, because it is obvious you (still) care about her very much
but she has abused your kindnesses

>>>I did care very much.
And never viewed her as a trophy. I hated that she was so beautiful that most men in the room, or passers by are drawn to her.


i had a canned response to your opening question where she lied about her age. if that was the extent of the misrepresentation then i would cut her a break in the belief that she lied to be found acceptable by you in a way she may not have been had you known her real chronological age. a bit flattering, actually; she wanted to put her best foot forward to enable a relationship that may never have been possible but for the obviously credible lie

unfortunately, the betrayal is WAY beyond misrepresenting her age. she is spreading malicious rumors about your character. and stealing your money put away for a prudent purpose. then refusing to leave when you insisted - well, maybe you weakened on that front. is she entitled to a legal interest in the home in any way; on the mortgage, deed, lease? if so, that will complicate things considerably. can't force someone to vacate their own legal residence
did y'all have separate accounts, or joint ones? that might prove to be significant relative to whether she was committing theft or 'just' spending assets in a way you did not approve
her professional qualifications being puffed socially is an effort to be seen in the best (but again misleading) light. if she does it professionally, it could be a huge issue; fraud, potentially

but you still care enough to want to help
does she care enough to help herself?
if not, do whatever you must to protect your own interests
she must want to change to actually begin to change

i feel for you. those big pluses suddenly turned into major minuses before you saw the change coming. look out for number one. if there is anything else, help her - if you feel the need to do so

as lucy says, that will be 5c please

That's the thing about narcissists, they aren't capable of even entertaining the idea that there is anything wrong with them, what they do, or say. She knows it's wrong if she gets a taste of her own medicine, but cannot process her own behaviors as wrong.

When pushed on the obvious double standard at play, she will lead you all the way down the rabbit hole and deep into wonderland with rationalizations, justifications, deflections, lies, changing what she said, changing what I said (massively misquoting me.. to me)... Anything no matter how absurd to make whatever happened, not her fault.

... I think I needed this to remind myself...

Most people and psyche professionals will tell you to give up and run. The leaders in her field seem to think it's possible to help her. And this is what I keep coming back to... She has sons, family, an ex who can't get away from her. And future boyfriends that won't figure it out until it's too late. To me, this is like walking away from someone being attacked on the street... Or letting someone bleed out because you don't want to get involved.

Is it stupid to want to see everyone suffering and/or affected, heal? Including her? To prevent more social damage?

This is what has my mind reeling... If she had been honest from the start about everything, I wouldn't have thought any less of her than the most amazing woman I've ever met.
 
What would you do if you found out the person you've been seeing for seven years has lied about their age... By like eight years?

Sure, lots of women lie about their age... But eight years?

And that hat wouldn't even bother me really. She looked amazing when I thought she was 48... At 56 it's unreal!

The trouble is, it turns every story she ever told me about herself into complete and utter BS.
That's not a cold sore on her lip, either.
 
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