Thread: Straight Men Should Act Like Straight Men

This notion of equaity in dating ignores how gender roles are important in dating between straight people. One of the myths out in the dating world is that men can allow women to approach them for dates. Simply because women can deal with rejection in the working world does not mean they have the genetic capacity to deal with rejection in the dating world. They are two fundumentally different things. Women who are rejected by men in the dating world will take this rejection more personally even if these women are saleswomen who face business rejection and cope with it every day. IN other words, a lady salesman is salesman at work and she is a lady when she is with her boyfriend/husband or is in the dating game. Women who transfer their saleperson skills into intiating skills in the dating world look absolutely desparate. They are to turn in their man simply not good at it. Men who are thrilled about women approaching them so they can avoid rejection are turning in their man card.

Men are hunters and should relish hunting when it is applied in the dating world. They should take ownership of it and have strong suspicions behind even very attractive women approaching them because they are interested in them(men). Lastly, I hate to break this to unconfident men who want to avoid their duties of intiating in dating:

If you constantly allow your girlfriend to pay for the meals on a date, you will be lonely very soon.

It is natural for women to plan or intiate dates on a consistent basis. The exception proves the rule. If a woman is paying on a date. It is a hint to the man that he needs to pay next time. Even if a woman thinks she will have no problem initiating paying or coordinating dates, she will in the long run. Let's face it women do a disproportionate amount of the housetasks, do you lazy men out there really think she is going to add this to the list of task in a relationship? Women do enough in relationships and marriage, having the initiative in dating or sex is bluntly YOUR JOB! I beg men who do this to stop turning in your man card and embrace your role as the hunter.

I advise some of you men to listen to Stephen A. Smith on Espn for dating advice.

I agree with all of this. No matter how "enlightened" we are, human instinct says that a man who allows a woman to pay for dinner-- and who stays at home while she earns the money to pay the bills-- will incur her instinctual contempt.

Originally Posted by Viktyr Korimir

I agree with all of this. No matter how "enlightened" we are, human instinct says that a man who allows a woman to pay for dinner-- and who stays at home while she earns the money to pay the bills-- will incur her instinctual contempt.

This equality myth is similar to the myth that women have the capacity to engage in promiscous behavior without extreme conditions. As men we enjoy fantasizing about other women and very few men should have the opportunity to engage in this endeavor. However, a women's sexual worth will be degraded if she thinks she can imitate any promiscous model even if she makes male money. The bottom line is that sex occurs inside a woman and outside a man. A woman with two many "things" injected into her sex organ induces disgust in normal men. This ridiculous notion of male swingers who enjoy their women having sex with plenty of men are either derranged or see their women as prostitutes. What other reason would their be? The women can be a CEO, President, even a football coach but when she thinks she can have as many sexual partners as successful alpha males even if she is as successful she is crossing the evolutionary law of opposite sex relationships. Men be men. Women be women.

Yeah blah blah, sexist crap, blah blah.

Dating is overrated anyway: I never bothered with it. . .going somewhere and having fun doesn't seem to be 'dating' - 'dating' seemed formal and orderly which we didn't do.

Originally Posted by Joe2000

This notion of equaity in dating ignores how gender roles are important in dating between straight people. One of the myths out in the dating world is that men can allow women to approach them for dates.

That's not a myth. It happens and some people are fine with it.

Simply because women can deal with rejection in the working world does not mean they have the genetic capacity to deal with rejection in the dating world. They are two fundumentally different things. Women who are rejected by men in the dating world will take this rejection more personally even if these women are saleswomen who face business rejection and cope with it every day. IN other words, a lady salesman is salesman at work and she is a lady when she is with her boyfriend/husband or is in the dating game. Women who transfer their saleperson skills into intiating skills in the dating world look absolutely desparate. They are to turn in their man simply not good at it. Men who are thrilled about women approaching them so they can avoid rejection are turning in their man card.

I know women who can deal with rejection and men who can't deal with rejection and vice versa. It's more of an individual thing than a gender/sex thing. However, I'd be happy to admit that I'm wrong if you provide some reliable scientific evidence that women do not have "the genetic capacity to deal with rejection in the dating world."

Men are hunters and should relish hunting when it is applied in the dating world. They should take ownership of it and have strong suspicions behind even very attractive women approaching them because they are interested in them(men).

We aren't hunter gatherers anymore though. Life is different and a lot of people seem fine with it. I don't know why you think people should change what makes them comfortable.

Lastly, I hate to break this to unconfident men who want to avoid their duties of intiating in dating:

If you constantly allow your girlfriend to pay for the meals on a date, you will be lonely very soon.

This 100% depends on who you date.

It is natural for women to plan or intiate dates on a consistent basis. The exception proves the rule. If a woman is paying on a date. It is a hint to the man that he needs to pay next time. Even if a woman thinks she will have no problem initiating paying or coordinating dates, she will in the long run. Let's face it women do a disproportionate amount of the housetasks, do you lazy men out there really think she is going to add this to the list of task in a relationship? Women do enough in relationships and marriage, having the initiative in dating or sex is bluntly YOUR JOB! I beg men who do this to stop turning in your man card and embrace your role as the hunter.

I advise some of you men to listen to Stephen A. Smith on Espn for dating advice.

As far as the general theme, any rules for how "straight men should act" are social constructs that can be and are revised by societies and individuals over and over again. What "straight man behavior" means to you might mean something completely different to another person.

How about instead of telling people that they need to be a proper "straight man" or "gay woman" or whatever, we encourage people to be authentic and date people who appreciate them as their authentic self? That way, people who don't mind being in relationships where the woman pays for her meal can date each other and people who don't can find someone else.

Joe, where do you get these terribly outdated ideals of what a woman is "supposed" be?

Yeah, and there's about where you stop making sense. It was nice while it lasted.

As they say: give 'em enough rope. . .

Being so afraid and insecure about confident assertive women isn't very manly Joe. Only a coward and weakling fears dealing with women on equal terms.