Thread: Feminism

The only way a wife of mine would get her name first is if she paid the bill. If she does, more power to her.

Originally Posted by misterman

Any discussion about feminism invariably turns into a discussion about feminists instead. And that quickly turns into discussion about the most radical of them.

Instead, we should just talk about feminism, or even drop the term and talk about equality of the sexes or whatever.

You should say something similar about the liberals who rail against Christians by calling them all sorts of insults, like "homophobes/WBC Christians."

If you don't want me to look down upon feminism/feminists, as in judgung them by what radical/slightly-lower-than-radicals say, why should I do so when I see people like you doing the exact same thing to Christians?

Originally Posted by Wake

You should say something similar about the liberals who rail against Christians by calling them all sorts of insults, like "homophobes/WBC Christians."

If you don't want me to look down upon feminism/feminists, as in judgung them by what radical/slightly-lower-than-radicals say, why should I do so when I see people like you doing the exact same thing to Christians?

Go discuss it with them. I am me, not "people like me." I am not responsible for what others say. If you hear me say something about Christians you find problematic, say so.

I made it very clear that I don't think we should be discussing issues and ideas, not people.

Originally Posted by misterman

Go discuss it with them. I am me, not "people like me." I am not responsible for what others say. If you hear me say something about Christians you find problematic, say so.

I made it very clear that I don't think we should be discussing issues and ideas, not people.

I can agree to an extent that we should discuss issues and ideas as well, but it frustrates me when people who say that [people in general], but then call people homophobes/bigots/hateful/racist/etc.

Imagine if everyone here were to merely discuss issues and ideas, rather than people? That'd be great, sure. But then again, we humans do discuss people quite a bit. The president, for example, as well as congress, politicians, political figures, etc. I don't know. Maybe we should and maybe we shouldn't discuss people. If I see people talk about Christians badly and call them homophobes, I am then inclined to insult radical feminists as well. Do I agree with "normal, just-about-equality" feminists? Of course. Not once did I equate normal feminists to radical feminists. HOWEVER, I see people equating Christians to homophobes/other insults, which, even though I don't do the same to feminists, makes me want to call out the inequality I see in these matters.

Originally Posted by Wake

I can agree to an extent that we should discuss issues and ideas as well, but it frustrates me when people who say that [people in general], but then call people homophobes/bigots/hateful/racist/etc.

Imagine if everyone here were to merely discuss issues and ideas, rather than people? That'd be great, sure. But then again, we humans do discuss people quite a bit. The president, for example, as well as congress, politicians, political figures, etc. I don't know. Maybe we should and maybe we shouldn't discuss people. If I see people talk about Christians badly and call them homophobes, I am then inclined to insult radical feminists as well. Do I agree with "normal, just-about-equality" feminists? Of course. Not once did I equate normal feminists to radical feminists. HOWEVER, I see people equating Christians to homophobes/other insults, which, even though I don't do the same to feminists, makes me want to call out the inequality I see in these matters.

We discuss people when they matter, because they're the ones making decisions about issues. But talking about "Christians" or "feminists" gets us nowhere. If you agree with that, then fine.

Originally Posted by Wake

You should say something similar about the liberals who rail against Christians by calling them all sorts of insults, like "homophobes/WBC Christians."

If you don't want me to look down upon feminism/feminists, as in judgung them by what radical/slightly-lower-than-radicals say, why should I do so when I see people like you doing the exact same thing to Christians?

You're building your own cross and climbing on it all over the forum today. Some people just need to see him/herself as persecuted I guess. That seems a popular trend in our culture.

You've also made it clear that you don't need others for you to find reasons to look down at others. Looking down on others is probably the Christian side of you, or rather being Christian as you like Christianity to be for yourself.

Originally Posted by joko104

You're building your own cross and climbing on it all over the forum today. Some people just need to see him/herself as persecuted I guess. That seems a popular trend in our culture. You've also made it clear that you don't need others for you to find reasons to look down at others. Looking down on others is probably the Christian side of you, or rather being Christian as you like Christianity to be for yourself.

Do you have any other logical fallacies to add to that mess of a post?

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Knock it off. Discuss the topic, not each other.

Originally Posted by misterman

Not sure what you mean. The Family and Medical Leave Act applies to fathers too.

It doesn't run for a whole year though - I don't know many employers who would keep a job open that long either.

I have seen it a few times now. The mom wants to take off an entire year and her job is held. And fathers don't get anywhere near the same entitlements...

Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors

This isn't true. As misterman points out, fathers have the same rights. They don't use them as much - that's true. But they're there.

Actually it IS true...

Feminism is for everyone. Anyone who tells you otherwise doesnt believe in freedom of choice. If you want to be a stay-at-home mom who bakes cookies in heels, by all means do so. That is part of the freedom of choice that feminism is actually about.

Can you please actually attempt to understand what I wrote before you respond?