Thread: Feminism

Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors

This isn't true. As misterman points out, fathers have the same rights. They don't use them as much - that's true. But they're there.

Well, they don't necessarily have ALL the same rights. Child support and alimony and custody may be tilted against them.

Originally Posted by Bodhisattva

What women really want is to be out in the workforce if they want and to have a partner who will share in the work load at home and with child rearing. It is really win win for the man. More time with kids. Less work perhaps. More money in household.

That's wonderful IF the "man" is willing to buy into this idea. For those of us who are much more Traditional/Old Fashioned; the rise of Feminism has ushered in the complete and utter destruction of almost everything we hold dear in terms of family life and society.

Originally Posted by Tigger

That's wonderful IF the "man" is willing to buy into this idea. For those of us who are much more Traditional/Old Fashioned; the rise of Feminism has ushered in the complete and utter destruction of almost everything we hold dear in terms of family life and society.

Good. What you hold dear sucks.

Originally Posted by misterman

Good. What you hold dear sucks.

I don't know; it worked pretty well as the basis of pretty much every Western society for a couple thousand years. Of course back then humanity was more interested in what worked well than what was fair.

That one word... "fair" has done more to destroy human society in the last hundred years than probably any other word in any language on the face of the planet. Definitely in the United States it's done massive amounts of damage to society in the last century; with Feminism being only one example of it.

Originally Posted by Tigger

I don't know; it worked pretty well as the basis of pretty much every Western society for a couple thousand years. Of course back then humanity was more interested in what worked well than what was fair.

We can have a world that both works and is fair to all. We don't have to have slavery for some.

That one word... "fair" has done more to destroy human society in the last hundred years than probably any other word in any language on the face of the planet. Definitely in the United States it's done massive amounts of damage to society in the last century; with Feminism being only one example of it.

Too bad, Tigger. You don't like it? Tough. Life's not...fair.

Originally Posted by misterman

We can have a world that both works and is fair to all. We don't have to have slavery for some.

Who's talking about slavery? I'm just talking about people with different strengths and weaknesses putting those talents to best use rather than trying to be something they were never intended to be.

Originally Posted by misterman

Too bad, Tigger. You don't like it? Tough. Life's not...fair.

Very true. Life was never intended to be Fair either. I'm not really looking for it to be Fair. I'm just looking for it to operate the way it was intended to.

Originally Posted by Tigger

Who's talking about slavery? I'm just talking about people with different strengths and weaknesses putting those talents to best use rather than trying to be something they were never intended to be.

Sure, Tigger.

Very true. Life was never intended to be Fair either. I'm not really looking for it to be Fair. I'm just looking for it to operate the way it was intended to.

It wasn't intended to operate in any particular way, Tigger. We decide.

Originally Posted by misterman

Not sure what you mean. The Family and Medical Leave Act applies to fathers too.

It doesn't run for a whole year though - I don't know many employers who would keep a job open that long either.

thanks for keeping it accurate

Originally Posted by misterman

Well, they don't necessarily have ALL the same rights. Child support and alimony and custody may be tilted against them.

child support and alimony aren't 'rights' though - they're stipulations of the law regarding the familial situation and care of the dependents (those who are unable to care for theirselves yet)

it's a default that this privy goes to females from the start - fortunately we've seen a shift away from this default and more men are being granted custody - meaning the mother pays support. In these cases the custody is granted based on the idealy situated parent - the courts do their best, anyway.

Per alimony: I don't support it unless one individual is unable to support theirself due to decisions made in the marriage. right now it's based on a 'upholding and continuation of lifestyle' which is bull, I think - if you aren't married anymore then NO your life is not the same . . . sorry, but that's a reason to seek couples counseling perhaps - or maybe be more careful before getting married - and even not to cheat around or be a heartless bitch. But trying to maintain lifestyle? why bother getting a divorce if you insist on only relying on your ex for financial support? I think it's pathetic.

Originally Posted by misterman

Sure, Tigger.

Do we really need to go throught the CAN vs SHOULD do thing again?

Originally Posted by misterman

It wasn't intended to operate in any particular way, Tigger. We decide.

This is where we differ significantly. I've never been of the opinion that we have a say in how things SHOULD be done. We choose how we do them, but a higher power decided long ago what SHOULD be done.