Debate Classifieds - Page 4

Lerxst · 03-23-08, 07:13 PM

I would like to discuss the ground rules as soon as possible so my opponent doesn't cry foul. I do have a few I want on the table right away.

To avoid a quagmire on either side, the mass posting of joint resolutions, which my opponent so handily did in the open forums, shall not be permitted without him also picking out the pertinent information to his case contained within, and posting it. If he is going to use lengthy or convoluted documentation to support his case, the burden is on him to know and understand the documents he is using and to highlight the points he is specifically referencing.

Further, I want to remind him, that this is about JUSTIFYING the war. This is not JUST the runup, it's not JUST the aftermath. We are going to dissect this issue in it's totality, as best we can given the rules.

Caine · 03-23-08, 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by JeffMerriman

I would like to discuss the ground rules as soon as possible so my opponent doesn't cry foul. I do have a few I want on the table right away.

To avoid a quagmire on either side, the mass posting of joint resolutions, which my opponent so handily did in the open forums, shall not be permitted without him also picking out the pertinent information to his case contained within, and posting it. If he is going to use lengthy or convoluted documentation to support his case, the burden is on him to know and understand the documents he is using and to highlight the points he is specifically referencing.

Further, I want to remind him, that this is about JUSTIFYING the war. This is not JUST the runup, it's not JUST the aftermath. We are going to dissect this issue in it's totality, as best we can given the rules.

So, if I can get the straight, you want your topic to be something like.....

Was the Iraq War Justified?

Also, just posting links is not a proponent of true debate.
The debate is more about articulation of the debator than just throwing links up and demanding someone to figure out what your talking about.

Lerxst · 03-23-08, 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Caine

So, if I can get the straight, you want your topic to be something like.....

Was the Iraq War Justified?

Also, just posting links is not a proponent of true debate.
The debate is more about articulation of the debator than just throwing links up and demanding someone to figure out what your talking about.

Yes pretty much correct, however this isn't just a cut and dried "did we have technical authority to invade" argument. This is about whether or not this invasion was reasonably justifiable. Was there a legitimate threat posed by Saddam? Were his "violations of the ceasefire" an actual threat to middle east stability? Were we correct in our assessment of the threats? Did our government lie to us or mislead us in the runup to war? Was congress actually intelligently informed in making their decision to go to war...oh wait I'm sorry, authorize force. I don't want him to come in and post a cop out "but Cheney said this so we had to believe him" or "but Bush had this intel report so we had to believe him." No, I want all sides of this brought out and examined. If he is going to cite intel reports that led to decision making, then I am going to cite the criticisms of those reports prior to their usage and why they should have never been used. The rabbit hole is going to go deep here.

I'm only interested in this if we are examining the totality of this invasion. Again, this isn't just about Joint Resolutions and Congressional votes...this is about whether or not we were truly justified in invading Iraq. We will make our arguments and the forum members will decide who carried the day.

Lerxst · 03-25-08, 06:06 PM

Who do I need to talk to in order to set this up? I would like to get started whenever we can get it done.

Caine · 03-25-08, 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by JeffMerriman

Who do I need to talk to in order to set this up? I would like to get started whenever we can get it done.

I will be setting this up for you starting on Sunday March 30th, that is, if the Truth Detector will return and drop a little input and inform me that he will also be ready for the debate at that time.

I also implore both of you to read the True Debate Rules (True Debate Rules and Guidelines)
And inform me when you have read and agree to them prior to starting up the debate.

Lerxst · 03-25-08, 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Caine

I will be setting this up for you starting on Sunday March 30th, that is, if the Truth Detector will return and drop a little input and inform me that he will also be ready for the debate at that time.

I also implore both of you to read the True Debate Rules (True Debate Rules and Guidelines)
And inform me when you have read and agree to them prior to starting up the debate.

Read and understood. I would ask that references to books be allowed. Several sources I intend to cite are coming from some recent books on the debate subject and are not necessarily available on the net, other than some references on review sites and other areas. I have no problem allowing my opponent to reference books as I will just run down to Books-A-Million with a notepad and grab a chair to verify his claims. I will make chapter and page numbers available for reference and ask that my opponent do the same.

I would like any particular objections to be voiced well in advance so we can have them settled prior to the 30th. The two week time limit is fine with me also.

Thank you.

tecoyah · 03-25-08, 08:19 PM

This....is gonna be great entertainment.

I thank you both for the impending fun

Lerxst · 03-25-08, 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by tecoyah

This....is gonna be great entertainment.

I thank you both for the impending fun

I assure you that there will be no shortage of entertainment.

Truth Detector · 04-01-08, 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by JeffMerriman

At the end I would appreciate a critique by as many DP'ers on both sides of the issue and a ruling as to who they believe carried the day for their side.

I'd love to add my two cents worth on the quality of the debate and which position I support and how the person in the debate mirrors my views.

Lerxst · 04-01-08, 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Truth Detector

I'd love to add my two cents worth on the quality of the debate and which position I support and how the person in the debate mirrors my views.

Just add your comments then.