tecoyah

Vauge vs. tecoyah


The existance of GOD


Vauge will prove there is no God

tecoyah will prove there is

so it begins........

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tecoyah

Given the existance of legend, myth, scripture, in virtually every single civilization ever to exist....there must be some underlying force which compels humanity to belief. All written history, and likely oral before it, held to the existance of some form of greater being (s) that watched or guided its creations on this earth. This cannot have been coincidence, and my intention is to prove that something is indeed behind this....not one of the multiple gods we kill each other for, but a force if you will. One we all get to name as our own, if we so desire.

vauge

There is no God.

This is a falsely created enitity to fullfill the empowering question of life after death. The questions that you raise are of this nature. We have a conciousness that is like no other. We look into tea leaves and tarot cards for meanings which are simply not there.

tecoyah

Yet, we DO look into such things for meaning. And often find aspects of this GOD within the opened pages. The ephemeral and often grey areas of human thought and creativity hold things you cannot explain...nor can I. This is God....this is the things we do not, and perhaps cannot know. If I find meaning in a terot deck....does that not mean the meaning is indeed....there?

vauge

"It may be that our role on this planet is not to worship God, but to create him."
-Arthur C. Clark

If my head hurts it means I have a headache. If my hand hurts it is probably because I did something stupid. There is a reason for everything. It is not because of some divine will. Just because we cannot explain them doesn't mean that an entity is creating it. Ancient folks used to believe a piece of clay can give them rain and hope. Where are they now? In some window in a shopping mall on sale for $29.99 or best offer.

There is no evidence beyond some guys writing verses years ago.

Lord, please forgive me - but this is fun!

tecoyah

the evidence is in the actions of us all, in the faith we hold, and in the small tastes of the divine we get in this life. Evidence need not be formulaic at alltimes, and Data sometimes cannot be explained....yet it is still Data. Each of us holds, within ourselves the Proof of Gods existance. But just as I cannotprove to you what I feel....I still feel it. I cannot prove without doubt that I love my wife....but I do not need you to accept it for its truth to be there. This is a Reality I live....God is a reality lived.....and thus has proof.

vauge

Proof of love is in action. That is proof enough for me.

If there is a God, how can he allow rapes and murders of young children?
His actions (as though there is a entity) surely doesn't describe love to me.

To J.M. Barrie, Peter Pan was real - so he created him.

tecoyah

Is God Love?

Seems a rather immature explanation of such an incredibly complex conceptualization. If indeed we take this explanation as genuine....what of the child that wanders into a mine field....do you scream to save the child?

Do you punish the child on a second offense?

Is this pain worth the life it saves?

Love does not equate to tenderness and compassion regardless of outcome. Love is deeper than that, and can take the form of pain when required. Perhaps GOD knows this, and proves such through protecting you from that which you will never have to deal with....because of this guiding hand.

vauge

Every action has an equal an opposite reaction. It is part of natures way of creating equilibrium. A balance if you will. If there are too many dear in the field they go hungry or get shot by hunters. It's called Darwinism. Only the strongest survive. Stupidity plays a role as well.

It cannot be proven than Michelangelo's God hand touched anyone to save them from death or help them through surgery.

We are debating the existence of God - not morals.

tecoyah

Yet...you pull Darwin into a debate on GOD? Darwinian /evolutionary theory (not the same thing), have as much place in this as Morals.....which might very well be quite a bit. There is no link at all between the supernatural, and evolution...until you decided to make one. Just as I made one for Moral/Ethical behavior. These things may be a part of the perception of God, and indeed may be the result of her handywork....if it decided to be so creative.
What if I told you God started the whole Microbe thing to see what happened, and occasionally tweaked a couple aspects to kick start the experiment....would I be wrong?