Debate #2 discussion...ToT v Billo

vauge · 04-30-06, 08:03 PM

Wow, excellent start from ToT.... looking forward to rebuttal.

teacher · 04-30-06, 09:07 PM

Oh goodie, a running commentary.

I disagree. He missed a gazillion things that he could have come out of the box with and put this to rest right away. But, the comparison to what the fledgling US went through was masterful. I guess in this thread I have to be careful what I say. Very few here know Billo like I do. We go back. I know what he would like to say. But so much of what he says is easily proven bull****. And not likely admissible in this format. For myself, the inability to ask the other direct questions is a horrid mistake. Most issues, IMO, can be broken down to one salient, yes or no question. It's in the figuring out what that question is that true genius lies. Maybe a few questions in a topic this complicated.

Kelzie · 04-30-06, 09:41 PM

I'm mixed. It was certainly a good start, but I felt he good have used more sources.

Trajan Octavian Titus · 04-30-06, 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Kelzie

I'm mixed. It was certainly a good start, but I felt he good have used more sources.

That was only the first question I led with the major points and am waiting to get into the particulars of infrastructure repair and security improvement in the latter posts.

Trajan Octavian Titus · 04-30-06, 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by teacher

Oh goodie, a running commentary.

I disagree. He missed a gazillion things that he could have come out of the box with and put this to rest right away. But, the comparison to what the fledgling US went through was masterful. I guess in this thread I have to be careful what I say. Very few here know Billo like I do. We go back. I know what he would like to say. But so much of what he says is easily proven bull****. And not likely admissible in this format. For myself, the inability to ask the other direct questions is a horrid mistake. Most issues, IMO, can be broken down to one salient, yes or no question. It's in the figuring out what that question is that true genius lies. Maybe a few questions in a topic this complicated.

Don't worry that was just my opening statement, we'll get to free the women.

Kelzie · 04-30-06, 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Trajan Octavian Titus

That was only the first question I led with the major points and am waiting to get into the particulars of infrastructure repair and security improvement in the latter posts.

I don't think it's fair at all if you comment on this thread. Off with you.

teacher · 04-30-06, 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Trajan Octavian Titus

Don't worry that was just my opening statement, we'll get to free the women.

Life is good. I think I'll now go to The Basement now and abuse someone.

Here or there, it's my job.

jfuh · 04-30-06, 10:48 PM

Unfortunately, tot started by jabbing himself in his own foot. He first discredits the news sources, but then comes back and cites a news source. He's already discredited his own argument even before any rebuttle.
Then the source itself is not an objective source it was a fact sheet issued by the U.S. delegation to the United Nations April 11 regarding the state of Iraqi security forces. Not an outside objective source. I honestly doubt that the state department would issue anything other then evidence supportive of the administration. This may get him into some trouble later.
But yes, I agree, this is a good start.

Trajan Octavian Titus · 04-30-06, 10:53 PM

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Unfortunately, tot started by jabbing himself in his own foot. He first discredits the news sources, but then comes back and cites a news source. He's already discredited his own argument even before any rebuttle.

It is not a news source it's a survey report from the State Department on the status of the Iraqi security forces which was presented to the U.N..

jfuh · 04-30-06, 11:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Trajan Octavian Titus

It is not a news source it's a survey report from the State Department on the status of the Iraqi security forces which was presented to the U.N..

shoo shoo, go back to the contest itself, you shouldn't post here.