Debate #2 discussion...ToT v Billo - Page 12

Billo_Really · 07-09-06, 12:22 PM

This is worth repeating...

justone · 07-09-06, 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Billo_Really

I'm F.ucking Father Theresa, for Christs-sakes!

Besides, I already shown your numbers [above pre-war levels] only occured on one occasion and hasn't been repeated since. I have also demonstrated several times that output does not equal input.

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Congrads, Billo, I guess, in the battle of 2 titans you have won; though I am always on TOT’s side – it is pity to see him loosing from time to time.
As an electrical engineer you should know that proportion of input and output does not depend on wars – it depends on current and resistance.
You should talk about power production and distribution.
I don’t know too much about Iraq but I guess they are not really 100 years behind. I would guess they use the same type of automated electrical power grids for distribution as all other countries do. If you, BO, blow a power load, TOT as a power grid operator, would distribute electricity to another area or he would order to put a turbine into the standby mode and “unplug’’ it from the grid in order not to waste fuel (this also extends life of the turbine between planned services and allows some current repairs). All the meaning of the automated power grid is to equalize energy production and the load.
So, electricity production minus normal losses in the wires and transformers/substations is not too much different from electricity consumption.

You may be Theresa and an electrical engineer, but I have to remind you - when you live the room do not forget to shut off all the lights.

Billo_Really · 07-09-06, 10:18 PM

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Originally posted by justone:
Congrads, Billo, I guess, in the battle of 2 titans you have won; though I am always on TOT’s side – it is pity to see him loosing from time to time.
As an electrical engineer you should know that proportion of input and output does not depend on wars – it depends on current and resistance.
You should talk about power production and distribution.
I don’t know too much about Iraq but I guess they are not really 100 years behind. I would guess they use the same type of automated electrical power grids for distribution as all other countries do. If you, BO, blow a power load, TOT as a power grid operator, would distribute electricity to another area or he would order to put a turbine into the standby mode and “unplug’’ it from the grid in order not to waste fuel (this also extends life of the turbine between planned services and allows some current repairs). All the meaning of the automated power grid is to equalize energy production and the load.
So, electricity production minus normal losses in the wires and transformers/substations is not too much different from electricity consumption.

You may be Theresa and an electrical engineer, but I have to remind you - when you live the room do not forget to shut off all the lights.

Oh, I can forget! I have "dual-technology" occupancy sensors. And by the way, I'm not a PE. I'm eligible to take the E-I-T, but need to bone up on the integral calculus.

My point with TOT was that due to the targeting of transmission lines and substations throughout Iraq, that the end user isn't seeing the electricity that his numbers say they are putting out.

As for him losing, he won when it counted (in May).

Trajan Octavian Titus · 07-10-06, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Billo_Really

Oh, I can forget! I have "dual-technology" occupancy sensors. And by the way, I'm not a PE. I'm eligible to take the E-I-T, but need to bone up on the integral calculus.

My point with TOT was that due to the targeting of transmission lines and substations throughout Iraq, that the end user isn't seeing the electricity that his numbers say they are putting out.

As for him losing, he won when it counted (in May).

electrical consumption and production levels exceed pre-war levels and I have the figures from the CIA, the DOE, the IEA, and the USAID to back that up if Billo would care to present contradictory stats them I'm all ears but so far he refuses to do any such thing.

Trajan Octavian Titus · 07-10-06, 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by justone

Congrads, Billo, I guess, in the battle of 2 titans you have won;

He didn't win anything because this isn't an absolute Democracy and mob rule this is a Timocracy with an electoral college.

justone · 07-10-06, 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Billo_Really

My point with TOT was that due to the targeting of transmission lines and substations throughout Iraq, that the end user isn't seeing the electricity that his numbers say they are putting out.

I guess you don’t understand – they are not putting out as much of the electricity as they can or want – they are putting out as mush as it is needed to satisfy the load (end user). If part of the load is targeted by Billo, smart grid operator ToT “reduces” production and changes configuration. You really have to prove that Iraqi power grid operators are stupid.

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Originally Posted by Billo_Really

And by the way, I'm not a PE. I'm eligible to take the E-I-T, but need to bone up on the integral calculus.

In my native country nobody could be called an engineer if he/she had not gone through the integral calculus. I still remember something about it. When I was doing my time I had to pass “systems of differential equations of the mathematical physics” – now I don’t remember even what it was about, just the name ( I hope I do) – but I do not consider my time was wasted in anyway.
If you cut you production on DP by a half and invest the saved time in the integral calculus – and stay sober for a month or two – you will get the feeling of the easiness and the beauty of integrals… You must do it, Billo – it is easy – just some concentration and paying attention to details... You can do it, and you will like it, - and there is no way your time will be wasted.

justone · 07-10-06, 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Trajan Octavian Titus

He didn't win anything because this isn't an absolute Democracy and mob rule this is a Timocracy with an electoral college.

It is not like you were trying to dig the truth together… I did not read all of it but my personal opinion was that you lost, - it did not mean at all that you were wrong,... - also Billo made a few punches below the belt – you could not hold them and the public did not see, - now when the celebrity death match is over and the public is cashing its bets and the light are dimming – take it easy, - you have a lot fights ahead of you.
There were cases when I myself could not argue to Billo - I just had to pull out my gun and shoot him dead, - what can you do...

Billo_Really · 07-10-06, 10:43 PM

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Originally posted by TOT:
electrical consumption and production levels exceed pre-war levels and I have the figures from the CIA, the DOE, the IEA, and the USAID to back that up if Billo would care to present contradictory stats them I'm all ears but so far he refuses to do any such thing.

Are you talkin' to me? 'cuz, who be "he?"

Billo_Really · 07-10-06, 10:48 PM

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Originally posted by justone:
In my native country nobody could be called an engineer if he/she had not gone through the integral calculus. I still remember something about it. When I was doing my time I had to pass “systems of differential equations of the mathematical physics” – now I don’t remember even what it was about, just the name ( I hope I do) – but I do not consider my time was wasted in anyway.
If you cut you production on DP by a half and invest the saved time in the integral calculus – and stay sober for a month or two – you will get the feeling of the easiness and the beauty of integrals… You must do it, Billo – it is easy – just some concentration and paying attention to details... You can do it, and you will like it, - and there is no way your time will be wasted.

"Stay sober!"

I have to down a half-dozen Jaigermeister's just to be able to be civil with the rank and file of DP. Stop partying? No way Jose.

Billo_Really · 07-18-06, 06:53 AM

Here you go TOT-boy, more proof your FOS...

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In Baghdad, basics like electricity, sanitation and clean drinking water are at lower levels today than they were before the war. A poll last year found that after more than two years of work, only 30 percent of Iraqis had any idea that there was any kind of reconstruction effort at all.

http://www.alternet.org/waroniraq/38986/

Here's a little info on your precious USAID which you have rested all your hopes and dreams.

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How does a good Republican administration justify trashing the free market's competitive spirit when they spend so much time kowtowing to its wonders? They simply redefine "competition"; according to the Project on Government Oversight, a contract is considered "competitive" when "a few favored contractors" get a shot at it, or even when it's not bid out at all. There are government procurement rules that require open competition, but there are also plenty of loopholes.

USAID, one of the lead reconstruction agencies, used an exemption from the contracting rules to dole out its first eight big contracts secretly, finding that open bidding would impair the agency's "foreign assistance objectives."

Actually, it did follow standard procurement procedures -- it posted all the contract requirements and requested bids like they're supposed to. But, taking a page from "Catch-22," they only did it after the contracts were awarded. Steve Schooner, co-director of George Washington University's Government Procurement Law Program, told Congress: "Intentionally or unintentionally, USAID excluded any number of potentially qualified U.S. companies."

http://www.alternet.org/waroniraq/38986/

When you consider the source, USAID has a big stake in making the numbers look good. And because of their efforts...

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...over half of all Iraqis approve of attacks on U.S. personnel.

http://www.alternet.org/waroniraq/38986/