Debate #2 discussion...ToT v Billo - Page 11

Billo_Really · 07-09-06, 11:21 AM

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Originally posted by Captain America:
I looked at the poll and pretty much realized the votes were lefties for Billo and righties for ToT. I think the real challenge here would be for the respective opponents to garner votes from the OTHER side of the aisle.

In other words, for some lefties to say, "Hey, ToT won this debate" or some righties to say, "Billo won hands down."

But the poll doesn't seem to reflect that. With maybe the exception of a few fence sitting moderates who can be harder to label, the poll seems to be reflective down party/ideology lines. And the righties are fewer in % per capita here at this forum so I do not lend much credibility to the poll. If DP make-up was 50% left and 50% right, I might. But it's not. So the left gets an unfair handicap where the right does not.

Maybe this is why we operate on an electorial college principle

Mixedmedia is a liberal, and she voted for TOT. George Washington is a conservative, and he voted for me. But you're right, the poll means absolutely nothing. I just find some sort of sick pleasure throwing it in his face.

Trajan Octavian Titus · 07-09-06, 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Billo_Really

I will freely admit the "possibility" exists that I am wrong. I haven't been to Iraq to see for myself, so in the world of probability, that possibility exists.

What's frustrating about TOT is that he is intelligent enough to know better, but he "chooses" not too. But we all know that will change over time. It did with me.

I'm still waiting on those contradictory figures....... facts are stubborn things Billo the numbers don't lie.

Billo_Really · 07-09-06, 11:26 AM

There you go. I have just cast my vote to prove that TOT was right, I don't know what I am talking about.

And also to leave the illusion that I am non-partisan.

Billo_Really · 07-09-06, 11:29 AM

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Originally posted by TOT:
I'm still waiting on those contradictory figures....... facts are stubborn things Billo the numbers don't lie.

But you certainly do. I've already posted them several times. Why are you asking for something you have no intention of looking at with an open and objective mind? Your mind is made up. Why continue this charade of debating the issue? It's not a debate any more, it's a joke!

Trajan Octavian Titus · 07-09-06, 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Billo_Really

There you go. I have just cast my vote to prove that TOT was right, I don't know what I am talking about.

And also to leave the illusion that I am non-partisan.

not to be outdone I too just cast my ballot welcome to mooseport.

Trajan Octavian Titus · 07-09-06, 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Billo_Really

But you certainly do. I've already posted them several times. Why are you asking for something you have no intention of looking at with an open and objective mind? Your mind is made up. Why continue this charade of debating the issue? It's not a debate any more, it's a joke!

Complete lie you have not done anything of the sort post the output and consumption levels from '01-'05 I double dog dare ya.

Billo_Really · 07-09-06, 11:31 AM

You f.ucking son-of-a-bitch, don't be trying to steal my thunder with your irrational voting preferences!

Trajan Octavian Titus · 07-09-06, 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Billo_Really

You f.ucking son-of-a-bitch, don't be trying to steal my thunder with your irrational voting preferences!

lmfao..................................

Billo_Really · 07-09-06, 11:35 AM

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Originally posted by TOT:
Complete lie you have not done anything of the sort post the output and consumption levels from '01-'05 I double dog dare ya.

Moi, lie! I'm F.ucking Father Theresa, for Christs-sakes!

Besides, I already shown your numbers [above pre-war levels] only occured on one occasion and hasn't been repeated since. I have also demonstrated several times that output does not equal input.

Back to you...

Trajan Octavian Titus · 07-09-06, 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Billo_Really

Moi, lie! I'm F.ucking Father Theresa, for Christs-sakes!

Besides, I already shown your numbers [above pre-war levels] only occured on one occasion and hasn't been repeated since. I have also demonstrated several times that output does not equal input.

Back to you...

a) no you haven't

b) if that were the case then how do you explain the following:

Electricity Consumption
Year Data Source Value Notes
2004 World Factbook (2005) 33.70 TWh -
2003 U.S. DOE (2005) 13.67 TWh (provisional)
2002 U.S. DOE (2005) 27.29 TWh -
2002 IEA (2005) 29.33 TWh -
2001 U.S. DOE (2005) 27.50 TWh -
2001 IEA (2004) 34.93 TWh -
2001 World Factbook (2004) 33.49 TWh -
2000 U.S. DOE (2005) 27.20 TWh

http://www.iaea.org/inis/aws/eedrb/data/IQ-elc.html

c) your questioning of the figures from the Department of Energy, the Central Intelligence Agency, and the International Energy Agency and your acceptance of the opinion from some guy off the streets of Baghdad (which as I already explained to you was the only place in Iraq with continious electricity prior to the war) is laughable in the extreme.

d) still waiting on those imagined contradictory figures