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2014 CIA & Media prediction of 2nd American Revolution

Everything you say has merit today. You seem to ignore the fact that this is a growing issue and you may have to rethink your insight tomorrow...
Use all the spooky language you want, you cant change the fact that these people are too invested and too ****ing lazy to do anything that would put them at any real risk.

It would NEVER be MOST that would take up arms... consider the american revolution, it was only between 3-5% of americans at the time that took up arms.
This is also not the 1800's and you'll need a lot more than 3-5% of the people.

Precisely, there's one caveat that some don't seem to be considering in this : That if there was a 'second american revolution' and it were to become a violent fight to take control over government... How many of you have considered that the president at such time would call on the assistance of Nato forces to help quell the dissent???
At bare minimum, Britan would want to step in and help.
 
Use all the spooky language you want, you cant change the fact that these people are too invested and too ****ing lazy to do anything that would put them at any real risk.

That's true enough... and that's the attitude that would allow things like the 'holocaust' to repeat itself...people become so fearful that all they really care about is themselves and staying in good standing, UNTIL they become the target and suddenly they want everyone to help.

This is also not the 1800's and you'll need a lot more than 3-5% of the people.

Ultimately, it would depend on whether any factions of the millitary would break ranks and side with the rights of the people. I mean, it doesn't really matter if people are armed with knives, handguns, or ak-47's, if the millitary fully follows orders, there's NOTHING the people could do to face off against the full might of the army.

At bare minimum, Britan would want to step in and help.

Exactly. This is why it's SO ABUNDANTLY CRUCIAL that this be made to be a PEACEFUL revolution in the minds of everyone...
 
That's true enough... and that's the attitude that would allow things like the 'holocaust' to repeat itself...people become so fearful that all they really care about is themselves and staying in good standing, UNTIL they become the target and suddenly they want everyone to help.
Yes but we must also temper that with NOT flying into a panic every time beer drinking rednecks start throwing temper tantrums.

Ultimately, it would depend on whether any factions of the millitary would break ranks and side with the rights of the people. I mean, it doesn't really matter if people are armed with knives, handguns, or ak-47's, if the millitary fully follows orders, there's NOTHING the people could do to face off against the full might of the army.
Ernesto Guevara would disagree with that.

Exactly. This is why it's SO ABUNDANTLY CRUCIAL that this be made to be a PEACEFUL revolution in the minds of everyone...
Yeah right, because that's something we do SO WELL as Americans.
 
Use all the spooky language you want, you cant change the fact that these people are too invested and too ****ing lazy to do anything that would put them at any real risk.
Real life, real events, and real history are spookier than any fiction writing.

Spooky language = realistic talk

I feel like I'm repeating myself but yes today there are too many, too invested, and too lazy. This situation is on track to dissolve quite fast within a few years...

This is also not the 1800's and you'll need a lot more than 3-5% of the people.
Please explain why? The military would never take up arms on their own population and family... to protect a government that is revered as corrupt by the people beyond fixing by votes.

I believe this is why there is an attempt to create a new homeland policing that takes orders directly from the government.....which has spooky similarities to the German SA Storm Troopers created in Germany just before WWII


At bare minimum, Britan would want to step in and help.
Nobody in this country would allow that...
 
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This may put things into perspective on how things are spiraling out of control...and this is BEFORE unemployment benefits and money are going to stop for many millions of Americans which will mean even less money into the economy and snowball job losses even worse...

America is destined to be literally bankrupt.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J28tLOpzfpA"]YouTube- Updated 02.05.10, The Decline: The Geography of a Recession by LaToya Egwuekwe (OFFICIAL)[/ame]

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[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aNLldUJ6yzE"]YouTube- LaToya Egwuekwe on CNN, December 2009[/ame]
 
This may put things into perspective on how things are spiraling out of control...and this is BEFORE unemployment benefits and money are going to stop for many millions of Americans which will mean even less money into the economy and snowball job losses even worse....

America is destined to be literally bankrupt.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J28tLOpzfpA"]YouTube- Updated 02.05.10, The Decline: The Geography of a Recession by LaToya Egwuekwe (OFFICIAL)[/ame]

Here is a good link:
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[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aNLldUJ6yzE"]YouTube- LaToya Egwuekwe on CNN, December 2009[/ame]
 
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I think you and others have stated the media is controlled by the govt. Why would the govt. allow stories to get out that things are about to go to heck, by a bunch of rebels? Would not the govt. prefer to keep the issue hidden, that things are fine in the world?
 
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I think you and others have stated the media is controlled by the govt. Why would the govt. allow stories to get out that things are about to go to heck, by a bunch of rebels? Would not the govt. prefer to keep the issue hidden, that things are fine in the world?

Don't you think they have done a good job keeping this hidden for 8 yrs now already?

Me and my friends knew what was inevitable......you think they didn't?
 
Don't you think they have done a good job keeping this hidden for 8 yrs now already?

Me and my friends knew what was inevitable......you think they didn't?

I like responding and debating with you. To answer your question. No. I do not believe the govt. controls the media.

How about addressing mine. If the govt. controls the media, why would they let this stuff air?
 
I like responding and debating with you. To answer your question. No. I do not believe the govt. controls the media.

How about addressing mine. If the govt. controls the media, why would they let this stuff air?

Many issues don't see "air"...

One example is the 1000 Architects and Engineers appealing to Congress for a new 9/11 investigation.

You would logically think this would be exploding across Mainstream Media "air" (no pun intended) because of the magnitude of the story...but it isn't.

You tell me why?.....and keep a straight face...

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Real life, real events, and real history are spookier than any fiction writing.

Spooky language = realistic talk

I feel like I'm repeating myself but yes today there are too many, too invested, and too lazy. This situation is on track to dissolve quite fast within a few years...
Then back up your doomsaying with something other than idle speculation.

Please explain why? The military would never take up arms on their own population and family... to protect a government that is revered as corrupt by the people beyond fixing by votes.
Yes because Kent State never happened. They will if they see the people they shoot at as internal enemies.

I believe this is why there is an attempt to create a new homeland policing that takes orders directly from the government.....which has spooky similarities to the German SA Storm Troopers created in Germany just before WWII
Jesus ****ing christ I'm sick of people doing this. "OMG it could be like teh NAZIS!!!1!!!" with less than nothing but paranoid fantasies that read like some conspiracy nut whacked off over a book about WWII.

Nobody in this country would allow that...
Yeah, right.
 
Jesus ****ing christ I'm sick of people doing this. "OMG it could be like teh NAZIS!!!1!!!" with less than nothing but paranoid fantasies that read like some conspiracy nut whacked off over a book about WWII.

I take it you're one of those people with naive delusions that those kind of things ONLY happen to the OTHER guys......even though it has been a proven reality many times in countless societies throughout history.

Freedom is rare for any society throughout the History of Earth and you're living in a brief history of time subject and likely to change.
 
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Yes but we must also temper that with NOT flying into a panic every time beer drinking rednecks start throwing temper tantrums.

I understand your point, except when the majority of the population is too fat and lazy and don't really care about much more then their own lives or the game of football rather then caring about politics.

Ernesto Guevara would disagree with that.

Also true, but I'm taking into consideration the newer toys at the millitaries disposal : AC-130's, tomohawk cruise missiles, UAV's, and the lesser known 'big dogs', stealth tanks, and whatever other technologies exist that are still fully classified.

Yeah right, because that's something we do SO WELL as Americans.

*sigh* Sad but true.
 
I take it you're one of those people with naive delusions that those kind of things ONLY happen to the OTHER guys......even though it has been a proven reality many times in countless societies throughout history.
No, but I have enough common sense to differentiate between what's more likely to happen and what I should really be worried about and it ISNT beer drinking Bubba with a rifle.

Freedom is rare for any society throughout the History of Earth and you're living in a brief history of time subject and likely to change.
And your theories only make sense if you huff paint.

I understand your point, except when the majority of the population is too fat and lazy and don't really care about much more then their own lives or the game of football rather then caring about politics.
Which makes revolution seem far less likely.

The French were rioting and burning neighborhoods down when there was a "suspicion of an irregularity" in an election. We had one out-and-out stolen and we barely blinked.

Also true, but I'm taking into consideration the newer toys at the millitaries disposal : AC-130's, tomohawk cruise missiles, UAV's, and the lesser known 'big dogs', stealth tanks, and whatever other technologies exist that are still fully classified.
Guevara's wisdom holds true regardless of the technology.

"In "War and Peace", Tolstoy remarks that military science assumes that the bigger the army the stronger it is. On the other hand, only vaguely do they recognize that during military combat the final strength of an army is also it's true physical capacity multiplied by one unknown X. This X is none other than the spirit of the troops measured as the greater or lesser desire to fight and confront danger. Men with the desire to fight who also understand why they are fighting, regardless of who they are fighting, whether under the command of military geniuses or those of normal intelligence fighting with clubs or with machine guns that fire 30 rounds a minute, these men will put themselves in the most advantageous conditions for fighting and they will triumph."
-Ernesto "Che" Guevara-



*sigh* Sad but true.
I just somehow dont think if we have a revolution it's going to be a peaceful one.
 
The French were rioting and burning neighborhoods down when there was a "suspicion of an irregularity" in an election. We had one out-and-out stolen and we barely blinked.

I know... same thing with GMO crops, if a farmer plants GMO's in France, there's a reasonable chance that the neighbours will come and burn down your crops.

The (north) american people have had it far too good for far too long that we are mostly all like docile sheep. People will fight each other over football games, bar stars, or funny looks... but they won't bat an eye when the freedom they enjoy to squabble about such things is gradually getting taken away from them.

Guevara's wisdom holds true regardless of the technology.

"In "War and Peace", Tolstoy remarks that military science assumes that the bigger the army the stronger it is. On the other hand, only vaguely do they recognize that during military combat the final strength of an army is also it's true physical capacity multiplied by one unknown X. This X is none other than the spirit of the troops measured as the greater or lesser desire to fight and confront danger. Men with the desire to fight who also understand why they are fighting, regardless of who they are fighting, whether under the command of military geniuses or those of normal intelligence fighting with clubs or with machine guns that fire 30 rounds a minute, these men will put themselves in the most advantageous conditions for fighting and they will triumph."
-Ernesto "Che" Guevara-

I pray that you're right... Although, the 'revolution' that's being pushed right now is more a communist/socialist revolution, where what Creative and I are referring to would be better described as a 'counter-revolution' to what's been going on politically

I just somehow dont think if we have a revolution it's going to be a peaceful one.

No, I think you're right... the people are going to get pushed into corners untill they have no alternative BUT to lash out and attack, but then they'll be deemed 'domestic terrorists' and the rest will applaud the security measures and loss of liberty that results. (Even though as this happens MORE people will be pushed into those same corners with the same results)

50 Years ago, if the people had known what was developing in front of their eyes COULD have prevented this from arising, we're getting to the point where it's almost inevitable that an impasse will be reached between the government and the governed.... once that occurs, all bets are off.
 
I pray that you're right... Although, the 'revolution' that's being pushed right now is more a communist/socialist revolution, where what Creative and I are referring to would be better described as a 'counter-revolution' to what's been going on politically
Pushed by who?
 
Pushed by who?

Good question... The simplest answer would be 'globalists'. Essentially the people behind the biggest lobby groups that essentially 'own' a good portion of politicians.

When you hear of 'new world order' in the news, the 'revolution' is meant to be towards this world order.
 
Good question... The simplest answer would be 'globalists'. Essentially the people behind the biggest lobby groups that essentially 'own' a good portion of politicians.

When you hear of 'new world order' in the news, the 'revolution' is meant to be towards this world order.

I dont know of anyone pushing a communist/socialist revolution and pushing one for a "globalist" agenda doesnt make much sense. Most Communists and Socialists are not fans of globalism.
 
I dont know of anyone pushing a communist/socialist revolution and pushing one for a "globalist" agenda doesnt make much sense. Most Communists and Socialists are not fans of globalism.

You make a fair point, it's my fault since my answer was severely over-simplified.

I'll try like this through the class system :
The 'elites' (Superwealthy, internationalists, royalty, world leaders in their fields) : Because of their intertwining and interdependant relationships and influences control the vast majority of the economies, cultures, etc of those beneath them. These are the people that are the TRUE globalists, that have a disdain for humanity and have a desire to consolidate their wealth and power into a singular world system that would serve them at the expense of everyone else, regardless of their stated political beliefs.

Because the elites have MORE WEALTH then they could EVER spend even if they tried they enjoy an existance beyond the day to day concerns of the majority of the rest of the populations. Because they are humans already with great power, they are following their human nature to put their efforts into expanding that power... and they do so by 'colluding' (over the table and under the table agreements) with others of similar status. Individually, they are merely interested in protecting their power so that their children will be as powerful into perpetuity.

THESE are the pushers of the 'new world order'. You won't find them pushing for this in the mainstream media (untill relatively recently), but rather will find their intention in books that they write, white papers, and other documentation which is not 'classified', but neither publicized.

The wealthy classes : This is the group where you will most likely find proponents of the benefits a global government would offer (fewer wars, every individual fed, clothed and housed, etc). there are also those that are wealthy that have or had the intention of changing the system once they become / became wealthy, but then lose that passion once they get all the benefits of the system they were previously fighting. This group has the most to lose by speaking out against the system... 'don't bite the hand that feeds'.

In the end, the majority of the 'good intentions' of the wealthy end up corrupted by the elites pulling the strings above their heads.

The middle classes : We are essentiall pawns in this global power game. Kept in a rat race where we are envious of those that succeed and try to replicate that success for fear of failing and joining ranks among the poorest. We are kept controlled through a variety of means : sports (to feed mans tribal nature and to spend energy that might otherwise be directed politically), the media (to send the message that individuals are 'powerless', to trust 'experts', and how to become good 'consumers'), fluoridated water (to render the people more passive OR excessively aggressive, since different people will have different reactions to the fluoride), pharmaceuticals / illicit drugs (because addicts are easily controlled), food (because you can't overthrow a government on an empty stomach).

The poor : This group is the motivating factor for the middle class, but are rendered politically impotent because so much of their energy is spent on day-to-day concerns and survival rather then things like debating the politics of their country.

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My use of 'communist / socialist' was also somewhat inaccurate because the 'new world order' is meant to be neither of those things, though it would resemble them. I mainly used that term because those systems generally revolve around a centralised governmental system rather then a representative one.
 
You make a fair point, it's my fault since my answer was severely over-simplified.

I'll try like this through the class system :
The 'elites' (Superwealthy, internationalists, royalty, world leaders in their fields) : Because of their intertwining and interdependant relationships and influences control the vast majority of the economies, cultures, etc of those beneath them. These are the people that are the TRUE globalists, that have a disdain for humanity and have a desire to consolidate their wealth and power into a singular world system that would serve them at the expense of everyone else, regardless of their stated political beliefs.
I think we agree on that part, it's the organization I think that we disagree about. I personally see less of the conspiratorial acting and more of the simple "there's a lot of people doing the same thing."

THESE are the pushers of the 'new world order'. You won't find them pushing for this in the mainstream media (untill relatively recently), but rather will find their intention in books that they write, white papers, and other documentation which is not 'classified', but neither publicized.
Again, I find the idea of the "new world order" to be highly suspect beyond the wet dreams of some bored billionaires.
 
I think we agree on that part, it's the organization I think that we disagree about. I personally see less of the conspiratorial acting and more of the simple "there's a lot of people doing the same thing."

I don't think of it as a 'highly organized' system as much as a hierarchical system.

I'll use an example of a bank : The CEO of the bank is essentially the 'ruler' of that institution. He doesn't need to influence everyone down the chain of command, he just needs to influence his board of directors as to what the agenda is, and delegates his board members different tasks in order to accomplish this agenda. A few layers down and you'll have perhaps a few hundred people each with sub-tasks that might know there is an agenda, but in order to keep a job they worked years to get they see the good of it over the bad, or justify it, whatever... till you get down to the bank teller that doesn't even know the managers 'agenda' nevermind having a clue about what gets discussed in the CEO's office.

Again, I find the idea of the "new world order" to be highly suspect beyond the wet dreams of some bored billionaires.

The best thing I could think of would be the 1950's meeting of the bilderburg group.

Europe was still being rebuilt after the war, yet, these 'elites' at the time were discussing :
- The means to unify europe (the pre-requisite to that was the unification of germany, which was deemed necessary to prevent communist influences from getting a hold in europe)
- Creating a common currency for this newly created european union.

It took roughly 30 years for the first part of their plan to be accomplished, 15 years to accomplish the second part, and another 5 years to begin on the last part.

http://mirror.wikileaks.info/wiki/leak/bilderberg-meetings-report-1955.pdf

From other meetings it had come out that, when oil was in the 60$/barrel that within the following year it would go up as high as 250 (actual closer to 150$/barrel).

There was also one document that I had seen that said they wanted quebec to seperate from Canada so that it could eventually be integrated into the US, which would ease the rest of canada into a union similar to europe. This one obviously failed...

Just to say, it may be a pipedream, but more often then not, these bored billionaires do end up getting their way.
 
It is such bs. There will be no revolution especially if it didn't happen under Bush it won't happen under Obama.
 
It is such bs. There will be no revolution especially if it didn't happen under Bush it won't happen under Obama.

A revolution doesn't necessarily need to be violent.... whenever elections come up; civil, state or federal, the people can just decide to 'kick out' the whole lot of the bad politicians, by seeing that some 'joe schmoe' offers legitimate solutions to legitimate problems rather then the endless rhetoric... then the US could get a good year before the lobbies start to corrupt them, plus that alone would be enough to stall and maybe take a few steps back towards a reasonable government.

Those amuse me since these same people bitch when Atheists put up their billboards.

I agree... they set a double standard.

I personally believe that the right to free speech is the same even if it's 'hateful' / 'disrespectful'... because if you make hate-speech illegal, then it just becomes a matter of some beaurocrat deciding what is 'hateful' and then your beliefs can become criminal as well.

Those aren't the only types of billboards going up though.
 
A revolution doesn't necessarily need to be violent.... whenever elections come up; civil, state or federal, the people can just decide to 'kick out' the whole lot of the bad politicians, by seeing that some 'joe schmoe' offers legitimate solutions to legitimate problems rather then the endless rhetoric... then the US could get a good year before the lobbies start to corrupt them, plus that alone would be enough to stall and maybe take a few steps back towards a reasonable government.
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I don't believe all politicians are corrupted by lobbyist or are corrupt.. If you were to run for Congress and get elected, are you saying your values would be turned by a lobbyist? I doubt mine would.

I agree we need to get back to a better govt. I agree that the majority of those in office now, need to be voted out. Maybe we need to enact laws to restrict lobbying.
 
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