What’s wrong with The US Senators? Joining conspiracy theory now?

Objective Voice · Jul 25, 2009

Councilmen (and others),

Once again, the law is on his side. So, until someone can prove he wasn't born in the U.S., case closed. I've outlined the two most clear-cut ways to make that happen besides trying to force the Supreme Court to "order" him to prove his birth. All that will do is afford him the opportunity to pick and choose what documents to present that he feels are legit, i.e., the Certification of Live Birth, a driving record from the Hawaii DMV, some elementary school record, a college degree, perhaps even a Hawaii Voter Registration Card (if he was old enough to vote while living in Hawaii), etc., etc. But I doubt if any of that would satisfy those seeking proof. No, what YOU want to see is this so-called vaulted copy - the long form - of his birth record. But as I've pointed out in the thread, "Obama's Birth Certificate" (post #193) by virtue of the linked article on PolitiFact.com, Hawaii doesn't issue the long form anymore. EVERYONE born in Hawaii receives a Certification of Live Birth according to Hawaii state health department officials. And EVERYONE who continues on this ludicris conspiracy witch hunt is doing exactly as I stated in post #21 of this thread - attempting to infringe on state's rights - by attempting to force the issue. The law is the law, and the law is on the President's side on this issue. You want to prove him wrong? You'll need to find at least three family members w/"tangile interest" in obtaining his birth records. But you won't find them because they don't exist or are very much in his corner. Still, until such persons present themselves and make that request...

I'll go one step further on this issue and ask the question nobody has asked:

"Why hasn't one person - just one - from either the Hawaii department of health or the hospital where the President (alledgely) was born come out even anonomusly and said he wasn't born there?"

I'm sure somebody from the right has had to have travelled to Hawaii by now and done some investigating. If you can get someone to talk "off the record" about a big news story any day of the week, why then hasn't someone done the same thing about this birth record issue? Surely, the Obama Administration can't silence everyone! Think about it, folks.

justone · Jul 27, 2009

RightinNYC said:
They don't. Do you have any idea of how the court system works?

This is not a civil law system. Our judges are not active parties in the litigation.

Originally Posted by justone
7. If the law suit was about the original certificate, - where is the public scrutiny? If you don’t believe me, ask RightinNYC, he pretends to know something about law, - do courts request medical records and birth certificates as a routine? I am sure he will say, -”no”. Would anybody in the right mind believe RightinNYC?

Which part of the word if you don’t understand?

justone · Jul 27, 2009

Objective Voice said:
Justone,

First you ask a very vague question, "What's wrong with our (state) representatives?", and then you post what can only be presumed to be the basis of their "conspiracy theory lawsuite" which can only be related to the origins of the President's birth and the legality of him holding the office of the Presidency, towit:

I believe I have answered your question. If you review the lawsuits based on the above primus, "is or is not the President a 'natural born citizen'", you'll find that the majority of people who have filed such lawsuits have, in fact, been Republicans. Not all, but most. Regardless of their political affiliation, to answer your question in the absolute, what's wrong with those who have filed such lawsuits is that they simply do not want to accept what according to the law is the truth - that Barack Hussein Obama, Jr., was born in the U.S. by a U.S. citizen and has presented a legal document to support said birth by competent lawful authority. It's just that simple.

So, you did not care even to read my questions. Obviously, you cannot care about even attempting to answer them. It is quite typical for a conspiracy theorist.

justone · Jul 27, 2009

Councilman said:
The only Conspiracy here is rests with those who seek to keep the TRUTH about Obama from coming out by hiding stories that ask legitimate questions, about Hussein Obama's birth place, and that also includes anyone who claims or labels those questions as Conspiracies. What are they all afraid of? I can tell you they fear proof because it will confim they are all gullible for falling for the big lie and then being proven to have been led around like sheep to slaughter by a phony who came to the job unqualified and has gone so far as to prove in a recent news conference to be as big a racist as his wife is on top of all the rest.
Why do questions continue? It's because to stop the growing number of questions would take not more than one minute on TV showing a real document of proof, and yet the lengths Obama is willing to go to, to make sure those questions are never asked in court is endless.

This particular law suit is not about Obam’s certificate. It does not question whether he was born in the US. It does not question if he is an American citizen. TV show does not cut the Constitution.

You have to understand that even if one is born in the US it does not mean one is automatically a naturally born American citizen. Sometimes it does not even mean that one is automatically a citizen.

The Constitution says very clearly –

1. It is not enough to be a citizen in order to be eligible to run for the POTUS.
2. It is self-evident that the burden of proof is on the candidate, as if one applies to a job one has to bring documents proving that he is qualified.

What they are afraid of?

Everyone is afraid of the clear truth, - the question was overlooked by Dems and Reps and the system itself at the time of the primaries. Nobody except for 3 mods on DP knows how to deal with it now. This is what had to be done:
GovTrack: S. Res. 511 [110th]: Text of Legislation, Agreed to Senate

Obama cannot bring the birth certificate and proof that he is a naturally born American citizen, because everyone pretends that nobody knows for sure what does make an American citizen to be naturally born. In my understanding there are strong arguments supporting the notion that in the intention of the Framers or any Congress he is not a naturally born citizen. Now it is up to the Supreme Court to decide. In my understanding the Supreme Court and other Courts understand that there are strong arguments supporting the notion that he is not a naturally born citizen, thus the Courts are not strongly willing to create the precedent overruling the intention of the Founders.

• In Minor v. Happersett, Chief Justice Waite in the decision dated March 29, 1875, wrote:
“The Constitution does not, in words, say who shall be natural-born citizens. Resort must be had elsewhere to ascertain that. At common-law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives, or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners.” (88 U.S. 162)

You see more and more people join more laws suits pursuing different venues. They are not all the same and the less they are limited to his birth in Hawaii.

Councilman said:
He is willing to order the military to change deployment orders, then order the man fired from his job in retaliation. And the mindless Obama disciples are willing to participate in the big Conspiracy by claiming people with real honest legitimate questions are the nutty ones. This is obfuscation and used as a way to divert attention from what needs to be done. That being forcing their Messiah into telling the truth for a change.
Anyone who joins the quest for the truth should be commended not condemned as is the usual Granola Liberal tactic.

If these actions were mindless that wouldn’t be a big deal, - what else one can expect from them. These actions are not only mindless but in their essence they are criminal and anti-Constitutional.

justone · Jul 27, 2009

Objective Voice said:
EVERYONE born in Hawaii receives a Certification of Live Birth according to Hawaii state health department officials.

As usual it is not true:

HI Statute # 338 allows foreign born children of Hawaiian residents to obtain Hawaiian Certifications of Live Birth (COLB), and those can be obtained based on a statement of one relative only.

‘’Based on these facts, the short version Certification of Life Birth posted by Obama/Soetoro on his web site, is totally worthless in proving that he was born in HI, and there is still a need to unseal his long version (vault) birth certificate that is supposed to have corroborating evidence such as a name of the hospital, name of the doctor, three signatures and a seal on the front of the document.’’

For instance, “Ambassador Dr. Alan Keyes, in his capacity of a Presidential candidate on the Ballot in 2008 Presidential Election. Mr. Keyes requests for Mr. Obama’s records were denied in Hawaii, Mississippi and California.” Whatever are statutes of HI they are not to be followed and accepted by other states where a HI native runs for ob office.

As well, even if he was born in HI it does not solve other eligibility problems, such as:

- --Obama’s UK citizenship

- a citizen of Kenya by virtue of subsection (1), become a citizen of Kenya on 12th December, 1963.

- later lost his U.S. citizenship while immigrating to Indonesia and obtaining Indonesian citizenship (by being adopted and naturalized), and later reaffirming his Indonesian citizenship while traveling on an Indonesian passport as an adult,

- obtaining taxpayer funded financial aid as a Foreign Exchange student from Indonesia. (Indonesia did not allow dual citizenship and any U.S. citizenship would therefore have to be relinquished).

-and others.

Objective Voice · Jul 27, 2009

justone said:
As usual it is not true (referring to the issuance of the "long-form" birth certificate):

HI Statute # 338 allows foreign born children of Hawaiian residents to obtain Hawaiian Certifications of Live Birth (COLB), and those can be obtained based on a statement of one relative only.

You left off the part where the person registering the child's birth must show proof of their Hawaiian residency for up to one year after the birth of the child. According to published reports, Mrs. Stanly Ann Dunham did reside in Honolulu, HI at least until 1964...3 yrs after giving birth to Barack H. Obama, Jr.

‘’Based on these facts, the short version Certification of Life Birth posted by Obama/Soetoro on his web site, is totally worthless in proving that he was born in HI, and there is still a need to unseal his long version (vault) birth certificate that is supposed to have corroborating evidence such as a name of the hospital, name of the doctor, three signatures and a seal on the front of the document.’’

1) I seriously doubt the President has sealed his birth records. It's the law of the state of Hawaii that they will not release birth records to anyone who does not have a vested "tangible" interest in such records. It's also against federal law for hospitals to disclose birth records as I've stated in a previous post.
2) Also as I've stated before, the state of Hawaii no longer issues long-form birth certicates. What the Hawaii Department of Homeland states is that those who are attempting to establish "Hawaiian ancestiry" can use their birth certificate (generally referred to as the "long-form" birth certificate prior to 1984 I do believe) for this purpose. Now, here's where the "conspiracy" comes in...

The President has posted his Certification of Live Birth online for everyone to see. It does show his date of birth as August 4, 1961, and that his birth was registered by the Hawaii Department of Health on August 8, 1961. There is no indication that his birth record has been "altered" or "delayed", meaning no changes have been made to his official birth record nor was his birth registered late (after 1-year of his birth). The conspiracy part is that the certification of live birth was certified by the Hawaii Dept. of Health in July 1997. That's clearly 13 yrs after Hawaii stopped using the "long-form" and 36 years after his birth. So, where's the long form and why doesn't he present that instead of a Certification of Live Birth?

The simply solution could be he or his mother lost the original document. He states as much in his book, "Dreams from My Father". Convenant you say? You'd have to go a long way to proof he planned to do any of this years in advance. Still, I've provided a logical explanation why the "long-form" cannot be reproduced, as well as why the President can't produce same. Neither source has it!

For instance, “Ambassador Dr. Alan Keyes, in his capacity of a Presidential candidate on the Ballot in 2008 Presidential Election. Mr. Keyes requests for Mr. Obama’s records were denied in Hawaii, Mississippi and California.” Whatever are statutes of HI they are not to be followed and accepted by other states where a HI native runs for ob office.

See the above...

As well, even if he was born in HI it does not solve other eligibility problems, such as:

- --Obama’s UK citizenship

- a citizen of Kenya by virtue of subsection (1), become a citizen of Kenya on 12th December, 1963.

- later lost his U.S. citizenship while immigrating to Indonesia and obtaining Indonesian citizenship (by being adopted and naturalized), and later reaffirming his Indonesian citizenship while traveling on an Indonesian passport as an adult,

- obtaining taxpayer funded financial aid as a Foreign Exchange student from Indonesia. (Indonesia did not allow dual citizenship and any U.S. citizenship would therefore have to be relinquished).

-and others.

Again, you'd have to proof any or all of it to be true and not rely on right-wing publishing only for your source information. Now, here's one angle none of the lawyers who have filed this "naturalized citizen" lawsuits have attempted which further confirms to me that this is all alot of BS. From the Hawaii Dept. of Health's website:

(Pursuaint to article 338-14.3), under article 338-18(g)(4)

(g) The department shall not issue a verification in lieu of a certified copy of any such record, or any part thereof, unless it is satisfied that the applicant requesting a verification is:...

(4) A private or government attorney who seeks to confirm information about a vital event relating to any such record which was acquired during the course of or for purposes of legal proceedings...

In other words, Mr. Keys, Mr. Berg and Mrs. Olzy could easily obtain the proof they're looking for if they'd just follow Hawaii state law and request a vertification of the President's birth. This document clearly will NOT show full details of his birth, but it WILL illustrate if the information we have been provided is valid.

So, birthers, have competent attorny...may yield you the results you seek.

Again, Good Luck!

justone · Jul 28, 2009

Objective Voice said:
You left off the part where the person registering the child's birth must show proof of their Hawaiian residency for up to one year after the birth of the child. According to published reports, Mrs. Stanly Ann Dunham did reside in Honolulu, HI at least until 1964...3 yrs after giving birth to Barack H. Obama, Jr.

That does not prove that Obama was born in HI.

Objective Voice said:
1) I seriously doubt the President has sealed his birth records. It's the law of the state of Hawaii that they will not release birth records to anyone who does not have a vested "tangible" interest in such records. It's also against federal law for hospitals to disclose birth records as I've stated in a previous post.

It is not the matter of your or my doubt. President has NOT provided his long form certificate. He has not provided it to the plaintiffs who do have tangible interests. Nothing prevented Obama from doing that. He did not do, he has not done.

Objective Voice said:
2) Also as I've stated before, the state of Hawaii no longer issues long-form birth certicates. What the Hawaii Department of Homeland states is that those who are attempting to establish "Hawaiian ancestiry" can use their birth certificate (generally referred to as the "long-form" birth certificate prior to 1984 I do believe) for this purpose.

It is irrelevant to the issue. The state of Hawaii did issue long-form birth certificates at the time of Obama’s birth. Thus it has to have records of such certificates. Hawaii Again Declares Obama Birth Certificate Real - Political News - FOXNews.com

"I ... have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawaii State Department of Health verifying Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawaii and is a natural-born American citizen," Health Director Dr. Chiyome Fukino said in a brief statement. "I have nothing further to add to this statement or my original statement issued in October 2008 over eight months ago."

Is not he talking about the long-form birth certificate?

If the Department of Health did not have the records those who are attempting to establish "Hawaiian ancestiry" wouldn’t be able to use their birth certificate (generally referred to as the "long-form" birth certificate prior to 1984) for this purpose. You have to prove to me that the state of Hawaii, burned or disposed in any other way of the long certificates isuued prior to 1984.

Objective Voice said:
Now, here's where the "conspiracy" comes in...

The President has posted his Certification of Live Birth online for everyone to see. It does show his date of birth as August 4, 1961, and that his birth was registered by the Hawaii Department of Health on August 8, 1961. There is no indication that his birth record has been "altered" or "delayed", meaning no changes have been made to his official birth record nor was his birth registered late (after 1-year of his birth). The conspiracy part is that the certification of live birth was certified by the Hawaii Dept. of Health in July 1997. That's clearly 13 yrs after Hawaii stopped using the "long-form" and 36 years after his birth.

So, where is the long form and why he has not posted it instead of a Certification of Live Birth?

Objective Voice said:
The simply solution could be he or his mother lost the original document. He states as much in his book, "Dreams from My Father". Convenant you say? You'd have to go a long way to proof he planned to do any of this years in advance. Still, I've provided a logical explanation why the "long-form" cannot be reproduced, as well as why the President can't produce same. Neither source has it!

I have not read and I will not read the book. You are asking me to give Obama the benefit of doubt. Why should I? He had to proof he has lost it, the witnesses and doctors had to be found (at his expenses) to testify. It had to be established that no opposite or contradicting claim existed uninvestigated (Obama/Soetoro’s paternal grandmother, Sarah Obama, and the Ambassador from Kenya, Peter Ogego, made statements that he was born in Kenya) BEFORE Obama run for the office. The burden of proof is on Obama, I don’t have to prove anything.

Objective Voice said:
Quote:
As well, even if he was born in HI it does not solve other eligibility problems, such as:

- --Obama’s UK citizenship

- a citizen of Kenya by virtue of subsection (1), become a citizen of Kenya on 12th December, 1963.

- later lost his U.S. citizenship while immigrating to Indonesia and obtaining Indonesian citizenship (by being adopted and naturalized), and later reaffirming his Indonesian citizenship while traveling on an Indonesian passport as an adult,

- obtaining taxpayer funded financial aid as a Foreign Exchange student from Indonesia. (Indonesia did not allow dual citizenship and any U.S. citizenship would therefore have to be relinquished).

-and others.
Again, you'd have to proof any or all of it to be true and not rely on right-wing publishing only for your source information. Now, here's one angle none of the lawyers who have filed this "naturalized citizen" lawsuits have attempted which further confirms to me that this is all alot of BS.

You want me not to believe the right wing, but to believe the left wing and Obama. You are blinded by your partisan agenda, and this blindness of left-wingers has been staggering. I do believe that if so many citizens, officers and gentlemen claim that they have such evidence they should be allowed to lay it down in the court of law, but not turned away, silenced and sent to the conspiracy tread on the notion that they are left, I am sorry, - right wingers and mentally ill. Obama and you are destroying the very fabric of the American society, the foundation of it, the rule of the law.

Objective Voice said:
From the Hawaii Dept. of Health's website:

(Pursuaint to article 338-14.3), under article 338-18(g)(4)
Quote:
(g) The department shall not issue a verification in lieu of a certified copy of any such record, or any part thereof, unless it is satisfied that the applicant requesting a verification is:...

(4) A private or government attorney who seeks to confirm information about a vital event relating to any such record which was acquired during the course of or for purposes of legal proceedings...
In other words, Mr. Keys, Mr. Berg and Mrs. Olzy could easily obtain the proof they're looking for if they'd just follow Hawaii state law and request a vertification of the President's birth. This document clearly will NOT show full details of his birth, but it WILL illustrate if the information we have been provided is valid.

“Ambassador Dr. Alan Keyes, in his capacity of a Presidential candidate on the Ballot in 2008 Presidential Election. Mr. Keyes requests for Mr. Obama’s records were denied in Hawaii, Mississippi and California.”

Objective Voice said:
So, birthers, have competent attorny...may yield you the results you seek.

Again, Good Luck!

The quality of the attorney will have no bearing as Obama and democrats has destroyed the rule of law in this country. When military officers and gentlemen and over 400,000 citizen (Total Signatures: 428,122 Join more than 400,000 others in a petition campaign to make President Obama reveal his long-form, hospital-generated birth certificate! [ame="http://www.scribd.com/doc/16989108/Kerchner-v-Obama-Congress-DOC-28-29-Judges-Ltr-Abt-Ltrs-Written-by-People-Abt-Case-20090629"]Kerchner v Obama & Congress DOC 28 & 29 Judge's Ltr Abt Ltrs Written by People Abt Case 20090629 - Law & Government, Business & Law, and president@@AMEPARAM@@/docinfo/16989108?access_key=key-16cof3pakj9w5urudea5@@AMEPARAM@@16989108@@AMEPARAM@@key-16cof3pakj9w5urudea5[/ame] ) are disregarded in their petitioning the government for the redress of grievances, when the officers are under treats of punishment and change in their deployements for their redress of grievances, neither the quality of the attorneys nor the law and the Constitution matter anymore. So, this is I who should say, good luck to you, if you think that there is no God and crime will pay.

Objective Voice · Jul 28, 2009

Look, Justone, Councilman and all the other birthers out there, face facts. No matter how much you want to question the President's birth within the continental United States and, therefore, insist or demand that the President provide additional proof to satisfy your "curiousity", the fact remains that the U.S. House of Representative has, effective yesterday, passed a resolution that not only honors Hawaii as this country's 50th state, but also states unequivicably that President Barack Hussein Obama, Jr., our nation's 44th President, was born in the state of Hawaii.

(It should be noted that there are two versions of H.RES.593, the first quoted in part below...

H.RES.593
Title: Recognizing and celebrating the 50th Anniversary of the entry of Hawaii into the Union as the 50th State.
Sponsor: Rep Abercrombie, Neil [HI-1] (introduced 6/26/2009) Cosponsors (56)
Latest Major Action: 7/27/2009 Passed/agreed to in House. Status: On motion to suspend the rules and agree to the resolution, as amended Agreed to by the Yeas and Nays: (2/3 required): 378 - 0 (Roll no. 647).

111th CONGRESS

1st Session

H. RES. 593
Recognizing and celebrating the 50th Anniversary of the entry of Hawaii into the Union as the 50th State.

IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES

June 26, 2009
Mr. ABERCROMBIE (for himself and Ms. HIRONO) submitted the following resolution; which was referred to the Committee on Oversight and Government Reform

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RESOLUTION
Recognizing and celebrating the 50th Anniversary of the entry of Hawaii into the Union as the 50th State.

Whereas August 21, 2009, marks the 50th Anniversary of President Dwight D. Eisenhower's signing of Proclamation 3309, which admitted Hawaii into the Union in compliance with the Hawaii Admission Act, enacted by the United States Congress on March 18, 1959;

Whereas Hawaii is `a place like no other, with a people like no other' and bridges the mainland United States to the Asia-Pacific region;

Whereas the 44th President of the United States, Barack Obama, was born in Hawaii;...

The second here...)

Whereas August 21, 2009, marks the 50th Anniversary of President Dwight D. Eisenhower's signing of Proclamation 3309, which admitted Hawaii into the Union in compliance with the Hawaii... (Engrossed as Agreed to or Passed by House)

HRES 593 EH

H. Res. 593

In the House of Representatives, U. S.,

July 27, 2009.
Whereas August 21, 2009, marks the 50th Anniversary of President Dwight D. Eisenhower's signing of Proclamation 3309, which admitted Hawaii into the Union in compliance with the Hawaii Admission Act, enacted by the United States Congress on March 18, 1959;

Whereas Hawaii is `a place like no other, with a people like no other' and bridges the mainland United States to the Asia-Pacific region;

Whereas the 44th President of the United States, Barack Obama, was born in Hawaii on August 4, 1961; ...

You (birthers) will also note that in both versions of said House resolution, the place of President Obama's birth is clearly states as THE STATE OF HAWAII. Not Kenya...H-A-W-A-I-I.

Both resolutions are scheduled to be voted on in the Senate today. You can read each resolution in their entirety here.

Question to the birthers out there: If you can accept the yea vote of Congress using the power vested in them by the 14th Amendement to the U.S. Constitution (paragraph 5) on behalf of Sen. McCain affirming his birth place and "natural born citizen", why then would you - or could you - then denounce this same Congress for upholding and affirming President Obama's "natural born citizen" status?

I'd really like to hear an agrument on that point!

justone · Jul 28, 2009

Objective Voice said:
Look, Justone, Councilman and all the other birthers out there, face facts.

We HAVE been facing the fact that we are birthers, right wing nuts, loonies and conspirators against the Dear Leader. Let’s see if you are going to add anything new.

Objective Voice said:
No matter how much you want to question the President's birth within the continental United States and, therefore, insist or demand that the President provide additional proof to satisfy your "curiousity", the fact remains that the U.S. House of Representative has, effective yesterday, passed a resolution that not only honors Hawaii as this country's 50th state, but also states unequivicably that President Barack Hussein Obama, Jr., our nation's 44th President, was born in the state of Hawaii.

H.RES.593, the first quoted in part below...
Quote:
H.RES.593
Title: Recognizing and celebrating the 50th Anniversary of the entry of Hawaii into the Union as the 50th State.
Sponsor: Rep Abercrombie, Neil [HI-1] (introduced 6/26/2009) Cosponsors (56)
Latest Major Action: 7/27/2009 Passed/agreed to in House. Status: On motion to suspend the rules and agree to the resolution, as amended Agreed to by the Yeas and Nays: (2/3 required): 378 - 0 (Roll no. 647).

111th CONGRESS

1st Session

H. RES. 593
Recognizing and celebrating the 50th Anniversary of the entry of Hawaii into the Union as the 50th State.

IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES

June 26, 2009
Mr. ABERCROMBIE (for himself and Ms. HIRONO) submitted the following resolution; which was referred to the Committee on Oversight and Government Reform

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

RESOLUTION
Recognizing and celebrating the 50th Anniversary of the entry of Hawaii into the Union as the 50th State.

Whereas August 21, 2009, marks the 50th Anniversary of President Dwight D. Eisenhower's signing of Proclamation 3309, which admitted Hawaii into the Union in compliance with the Hawaii Admission Act, enacted by the United States Congress on March 18, 1959;

Whereas Hawaii is `a place like no other, with a people like no other' and bridges the mainland United States to the Asia-Pacific region;

Whereas the 44th President of the United States, Barack Obama, was born in Hawaii;...
The second here...)
Quote:
Whereas August 21, 2009, marks the 50th Anniversary of President Dwight D. Eisenhower's signing of Proclamation 3309, which admitted Hawaii into the Union in compliance with the Hawaii... (Engrossed as Agreed to or Passed by House)

HRES 593 EH

H. Res. 593

In the House of Representatives, U. S.,

July 27, 2009.
Whereas August 21, 2009, marks the 50th Anniversary of President Dwight D. Eisenhower's signing of Proclamation 3309, which admitted Hawaii into the Union in compliance with the Hawaii Admission Act, enacted by the United States Congress on March 18, 1959;

Whereas Hawaii is `a place like no other, with a people like no other' and bridges the mainland United States to the Asia-Pacific region;

Whereas the 44th President of the United States, Barack Obama, was born in Hawaii on August 4, 1961; ...

.

It does outline the fact that he is the 44th President. Nobody argues that. He IS the usurper.

Objective Voice said:
Senate today. You can read each resolution in their entirety here.
You (birthers) will also note that in both versions of said House resolution, the place of President Obama's birth is clearly states as THE STATE OF HAWAII. Not Kenya...H-A-W-A-I-I.

That’s why we used to have laws and the Constitution – to challenge statements of the Congress. It used to be called the system of checks and balances. If the citizenry has evidence that the usurper was not born in HI it can challenge the Congress through a legal process.

Objective Voice said:
Question to the birthers out there: If you can accept the yea vote of Congress using the power vested in them by the 14th Amendement to the U.S. Constitution (paragraph 5) on behalf of Sen. McCain affirming his birth place and "natural born citizen", why then would you - or could you - then denounce this same Congress for upholding and affirming President Obama's "natural born citizen" status?

There is nothing in the text addressing the less upholding and affirming ‘’citizen’’, the less "natural born citizen". The text only makes claim that the usurper was born in HI. Obviously, according to the Supreme Court precedent quoted he cannot be considered to be a natural born citizen, even if his birth in HI turned to be true.

Objective Voice said:
I'd really like to hear an agrument on that point!

You have not heard previous arguments, you will not hear arguments on this no pointer of yours.

Objective Voice · Jul 28, 2009

"...use to have laws and the Constitution..."

Oh, so now that one-half of Congress affirms what you didn't want to believe suddenly the laws and the very Constitution you hold so dear no longer apply?

As I thought...you birthers will stop at nothing until you get your way. You simply refuse to accept the facts that are before you:

Fact. Hawaii is the 50th state of the union that is the United States of America.

Fact. Officials within the state of Hawaii with the statutory right to affirm and validate the birth of this country's 44th President to be a natural born resident of said state have verified his birth to be so.

Fact. There is no concrete evidence that has been presented to disprove his birth as a natural born citizen of these United States.

Fact. The 111th Congress via the House of Representatives have affirmed his "natural born citizen" status, towit, President Obama was born in Hawaii.

But as I've said time and again, it wouldn't matter what is said or done to validate the President's natural born citizen status, those who truly oppose his presidency will continue to believe what they want to believe. With that, I'm am truly done with this debate. I would highly recommend to the moderators to close all threads on this topic. The 111th Congress of the U.S. has spoken loud and clear on this matter.

Case Final and Closed.

justone · Jul 28, 2009

Objective Voice said:
"...use to have laws and the Constitution..."

Oh, so now that one-half of Congress affirms what you didn't want to believe suddenly the laws and the very Constitution you hold so dear no longer apply?

False premises. The Congress has not affirmed that the usurper is a natural born citizen.http://www.debatepolitics.com/consp...g-conspiracy-theory-now-4.html#post1058160657

Objective Voice said:
As I thought...you birthers will stop at nothing until you get your way. You simply refuse to accept the facts that are before you:

The fact is that The Congress has not affirmed that the usurper is a natural born citizen.
[http://www.debatepolitics.com/consp...g-conspiracy-theory-now-4.html#post1058160657

Objective Voice said:
Fact. Hawaii is the 50th state of the union that is the United States of America.

True.

Objective Voice said:
Fact. Officials within the state of Hawaii with the statutory right to affirm and validate the birth of this country's 44th President to be a natural born resident of said state have verified his birth to be so.

False. Officials do not have rights the statutory to affirm who is a natural born citizen. The Congress does. The Supreme Court does.

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Objective Voice said:
Fact. There is no concrete evidence that has been presented to disprove his birth as a natural born citizen of these United States.

False. The law suits claim they do and they do

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False, they do not have to disprove. The burden of proof is on the usurper.

Objective Voice said:
Fact. The 111th Congress via the House of Representatives have affirmed his "natural born citizen" status, towit, President Obama was born in Hawaii.

False. The 111th Congress via the House of Representatives has NOT affirmed his "natural born citizen" status.

http://www.debatepolitics.com/consp...g-conspiracy-theory-now-4.html#post1058160657

Objective Voice said:
Case Final and Closed.

That will be when the Supreme Court weights in and confirms that false statements are facts from now on.