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To begin, please don't delete or move this thread because there are a couple too many areas of 911 to respond to and this will help to organize and keep from filtering through responses from other aspects.Thanks.

Building #7 is a completely separate case from WTC1 & WTC2 and should be kept on a separate discusion panel.

Apart from the Twin Towers it would be astronomicaly hard right now to convince be that it is in any way possible for #7 to callapse like it did. I would like to here rational evidence as to how it... could or could not... have fallen like it did?
 
I apologize, I thought I posted this here but actually posted it on another forum:

It can be shown from the following two images that the building did not actually collapse in on itself but actually fell to the side, something that does not happen during a controlled demolition (and which is precisely what they get paid to prevent).



wtc7pile.jpg


b7debris.jpg


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WTC7
Height = 186m (610 ft) Source
Acceleration Due to Gravity: 9.81 m/s/s

Free Fall Speed:
h=0.5gt^2
t=(2h/g)^0.5
t=(2*186/9.81)^0.5
t = 6.16 seconds

Actual Time of Collapse:
t = about 25 seconds

CONCLUSION:
The buildings obviously did not fall at near-free-fall speeds, and their actual collapse times were significantly longer.

YouTube - WTC 7 Collapse

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The penthouses collapsed into the building. The last thing to fall in the building is the north face, which is the wall that the camera in the video is pointed at. This is also why it looks as if it actually fell at around free-fall, which is untrue. The photographs posted also show the north wall laying on top of the debris, confirming the assertion that it was the last to fall and that the rest of the building collapsed before it. That photo is conclusive.
 
Here is a great site about 9/11.
NIST's Investigation of the Sept. 11 World Trade Center Disaster - Frequently Asked Questions


The current NIST working collapse hypothesis for WTC 7 is described in the June 2004 Progress Report on the Federal Building and Fire Safety Investigation of the World Trade Center Disaster (Volume 1, page 17, as well as Appendix L), as follows:

An initial local failure occurred at the lower floors (below floor 13) of the building due to fire and/or debris-induced structural damage of a critical column (the initiating event) which supported a large-span floor bay with an area of about 2,000 square feet;

Vertical progression of the initial local failure occurred up to the east penthouse, and as the large floor bays became unable to redistribute the loads, it brought down the interior structure below the east penthouse; and

Triggered by damage due to the vertical failure, horizontal progression of the failure across the lower floors (in the region of floors 5 and 7 that were much thicker and more heavily reinforced than the rest of the floors) resulted in a disproportionate collapse of the entire structure.

This hypothesis may be supported or modified, or new hypotheses may be developed, through the course of the continuing investigation. NIST also is considering whether hypothetical blast events could have played a role in initiating the collapse. While NIST has found no evidence of a blast or controlled demolition event, NIST would like to determine the magnitude of hypothetical blast scenarios that could have led to the structural failure of one or more critical elements.
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creativedreams said:
To begin, please don't delete or move this thread because there are a couple too many areas of 911 to respond to and this will help to organize and keep from filtering through responses from other aspects.Thanks.

Building #7 is a completely separate case from WTC1 & WTC2 and should be kept on a separate discusion panel.

Apart from the Twin Towers it would be astronomicaly hard right now to convince be that it is in any way possible for #7 to callapse like it did. I would like to here rational evidence as to how it... could or could not... have fallen like it did?
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That's what I'm saying. Forget everything else : Explain this.
They say a girder from one of the other buildings fell on it. But I do not see anything anywhere having fallen on it. If it fell and hit this building, then wouldn't the building fall over and not straight down? How is it that a girder fall onto the the building and cause it to burn for.. what was it? seven hours? If it collapsed by having debris and a girder hit the top, how come it falls as if the bottom levels collapsed first? A 47 ft building gets hit by a girder and the basement collapses? After burning for 7 hours? I just don't get it.

Forget the guy at the bottom:
collapse-wtc7.gif


It looks like free fall speed to me and nowhere near 25 seconds. lol
 
Jessica said:
That's what I'm saying. Forget everything else : Explain this.
They say a girder from one of the other buildings fell on it. But I do not see anything anywhere having fallen on it. If it fell and hit this building, then wouldn't the building fall over and not straight down? How is it that a girder fall onto the the building and cause it to burn for.. what was it? seven hours? If it collapsed by having debris and a girder hit the top, how come it falls as if the bottom levels collapsed first? A 47 ft building gets hit by a girder and the basement collapses? After burning for 7 hours? I just don't get it.

Forget the guy at the bottom:
collapse-wtc7.gif


It looks like free fall speed to me and nowhere near 25 seconds. lol
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Yes me too. It's as if the building supports were severed exactly the same time at all four corners. I really like the two videos dirtpoorchris posted on 9/11 main thread showing how Building#7 fell exactly like the controlled demolition.

If the supports weren't severed the building would have partially collapsed (realisticaly not collapsed at all) with the fastened steel beams still partially standing while the floors calapsed around them. AT UNEQUAL TIMES AS THE FIRE SPREAD!:shock:
 
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If people do get brought to justice, there should be an IQ standard for the jury so this doesn't end up like an OJ Simpson trial.

Who's job is it to make that happen (justice made)?

Plus it should be made public for the world to see.
 
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scenario:

The large explosion felt at the base of Building #7 as reported by first hand witnesses was a "trigger" to jolt the Nano-Thermite devises, attached by magnets, into action to start the beam cutting. :)
 
Jessica said:
That's what I'm saying. Forget everything else : Explain this.
They say a girder from one of the other buildings fell on it. But I do not see anything anywhere having fallen on it. If it fell and hit this building, then wouldn't the building fall over and not straight down? How is it that a girder fall onto the the building and cause it to burn for.. what was it? seven hours? If it collapsed by having debris and a girder hit the top, how come it falls as if the bottom levels collapsed first? A 47 ft building gets hit by a girder and the basement collapses? After burning for 7 hours? I just don't get it.

Forget the guy at the bottom:
collapse-wtc7.gif


It looks like free fall speed to me and nowhere near 25 seconds. lol
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I just love this post!
 
creativedreams said:
If people do get brought to justice, there should be an IQ standard for the jury so this doesn't end up like an OJ Simpson trial.

Who's job is it to make that happen (justice made)?

Plus it should be made public for the world to see.
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Who do you think would be on trial?
 
creativedreams said:
To begin, please don't delete or move this thread because there are a couple too many areas of 911 to respond to and this will help to organize and keep from filtering through responses from other aspects.Thanks.

Building #7 is a completely separate case from WTC1 & WTC2 and should be kept on a separate discusion panel.

Apart from the Twin Towers it would be astronomicaly hard right now to convince be that it is in any way possible for #7 to callapse like it did. I would like to here rational evidence as to how it... could or could not... have fallen like it did?
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Since you've made up your mind already, what's the point of this thread?
 
Jessica said:
Forget the guy at the bottom:
collapse-wtc7.gif


It looks like free fall speed to me and nowhere near 25 seconds. lol
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Hypothesis:

Witness ...Barry Jennings a survivor and witness of Building#7 of the WTC buildings stated and described in interview an explosion in the basement of Building#7....see video at Thread: Conspiracy Theories 9/11 on bottom of page 28, or find interview on You-Tube.

Facts...There was melted Iron at the bases of WTC1, WTC2, WTC7
Steel melting temps range from..mild steel=2730f
hard steel=2555f
Jet fuel in its purest form can reach temps to =1800f
Thermite reactions often reach temps above >4500f
USGS ground temperature readings were above>3500f
7 days after the callapse in the core of the rubble
which was insulated by all the debris acting like a thermas
3 months prior to the collapses WTC1, WTC2, WTC3 all
went through a complete change in security personal

Hypothesis...couple months prior to 9/11 a couple men went
and attatched a bag full of magnets
which were Nano-Thermite devises to the steel
support members

the basement explosion in Building#7 that an
employee of Building#7 Barry Jennings witnessed
and barely survived was a trigger to set the
Nano-Thermite devises into their chemical beam
cutting action.

the planes that hit WTC1, WTC2, Pentagon, and
crashed flight 93 were simply clipped into a
"Drone Remote Flying Device"

All the events of 9/11 could easily have been orchistrated through a handful of people.:)
 
Moon said:
Since you've made up your mind already, what's the point of this thread?
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actually I'm just leaning 99% to the "Truthers"
01% to the "Dream Pool"

just curious to see if either side can present some conclusive evidence to quell the debate for me. I'm still open to reach 100% either way but this is how it stands for me right now.:cool:

Can't wait to get my drivers license back so I can go fishing more and internet less.:)
 
creativedreams said:
actually I'm just leaning 99% to the "Truthers"
01% to the "Dream Pool"

just curious to see if either side can present some conclusive evidence to quell the debate for me. I'm still open to reach 100% either way but this is how it stands for me right now.:cool:

Can't wait to get my drivers license back so I can go fishing more and internet less.:)
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I've read your posts, and it's pretty clear to me that you've made up your mind already.

So who do you think did it? Bush? Rove? The Bilderburgers? Jessica Simpson?
 
Moon said:
I've read your posts, and it's pretty clear to me that you've made up your mind already.

So who do you think did it? Bush? Rove? The Bilderburgers? Jessica Simpson?
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Start with investigating "Larry Silverstein" who is the landlord WTC1, WTC2, and Building#7
He took a new insurance policy out on the buildings a few months prior to the collapse.

See what else connects....
 
To be perfectly honest, I couldn't care less if 9/11 was an inside job or not. I got enough to deal with in my own little world. The way it stands right now, I believe there is enough proof to at least warrant further investigation.

But in my "Insane Mind" as someone has stated, if it was an event that somehow got us that strategic area on the worlds chessboard, I'm sure it actually either saved a lot of American lives or will in the future somehow.

That being said I am going to back out from participating from any 9/11 postings because I don't want to know the truth.;)
 
Moon said:
I've read your posts, and it's pretty clear to me that you've made up your mind already.

So who do you think did it? Bush? Rove? The Bilderburgers? Jessica Simpson?
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The Bilderberg group is very close indeed. But that's the european version of the American council behind it. Swedish, in fact.
No, the organization behind this has the same bankers responsible for the Federal Reserve.
This organization has the Presidents and the Presidential nominees as life members.
They also have the big banks and oil companies.
That organization is --
The Council of Foreign Relations.
 
creativedreams said:
Start with investigating "Larry Silverstein" who is the landlord WTC1, WTC2, and Building#7
He took a new insurance policy out on the buildings a few months prior to the collapse.

See what else connects....
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Always follow the money.
Which is odd, because Osama bin Laden received 100k right before 911 and the government did not want to chase it, because they said it was irrelevant.
 
creativedreams said:
To be perfectly honest, I couldn't care less if 9/11 was an inside job or not. I got enough to deal with in my own little world. The way it stands right now, I believe there is enough proof to at least warrant further investigation.

But in my "Insane Mind" as someone has stated, if it was an event that somehow got us that strategic area on the worlds chessboard, I'm sure it actually either saved a lot of American lives or will in the future somehow.

That being said I am going to back out from participating from any 9/11 postings because I don't want to know the truth.;)
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Yeah well this will make your only little world a bit smaller and filled with more problems.
 
Jessica said:
That's what I'm saying. Forget everything else : Explain this.
They say a girder from one of the other buildings fell on it. But I do not see anything anywhere having fallen on it. If it fell and hit this building, then wouldn't the building fall over and not straight down? How is it that a girder fall onto the the building and cause it to burn for.. what was it? seven hours? If it collapsed by having debris and a girder hit the top, how come it falls as if the bottom levels collapsed first? A 47 ft building gets hit by a girder and the basement collapses? After burning for 7 hours? I just don't get it.

Forget the guy at the bottom:
collapse-wtc7.gif


It looks like free fall speed to me and nowhere near 25 seconds. lol
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Now that I think about it...why didn't a section of the Pentagon callapse from several points at precisely the same time at almost the speed of gravity?

(or maybe it was a drone that happened to hit the only part of the building under consruction after making a 270degree turn) while the first time in history a political official (Dick) was in charge of NORAD which just happened to be that day.

Maybe that's why Dick didn't want the Pentagon plane to be shot down so the media couldn't see it was a "drone"

Building #7 is a rectangular shaped building that takes up a full city block in floor space. The building callapsed at all four corners at precisely the same time at almost the speed of gravity.

Not to mention the new insurance policy taken out by landlord Larry Silverstein a few months prior to 9/11 and the complete change in security personal a few months prior to 9/11.:)
 
Jessica said:
That's what I'm saying. Forget everything else : Explain this.
They say a girder from one of the other buildings fell on it. But I do not see anything anywhere having fallen on it. If it fell and hit this building, then wouldn't the building fall over and not straight down? How is it that a girder fall onto the the building and cause it to burn for.. what was it? seven hours? If it collapsed by having debris and a girder hit the top, how come it falls as if the bottom levels collapsed first? A 47 ft building gets hit by a girder and the basement collapses? After burning for 7 hours? I just don't get it.

Forget the guy at the bottom:
collapse-wtc7.gif


It looks like free fall speed to me and nowhere near 25 seconds. lol
Click to expand...

A picture is worth a thousand words.:flames:
 
creativedreams said:
Start with investigating "Larry Silverstein" who is the landlord WTC1, WTC2, and Building#7
He took a new insurance policy out on the buildings a few months prior to the collapse.

See what else connects....
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So...you're saying it was Jessica Simpson, then?
 
Moon said:
So...you're saying it was Jessica Simpson, then?
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No...perhaps the DP poster Jessica is on to something when she says the "Council of Foreign Relations" she appears to be a lot more informed in those areas.

I don't care who did it, I'm just a little bored being temporarily without my drivers license and can't wait to get it back so I can do some outdoor things!:)
 
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Jessica said:
Forget everything else : Explain this. They say building gets hit by a girder....Forget the guy at the bottom:
collapse-wtc7.gif
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Do you realize this building takes up about a full city block in floor space.

Why didn't it collapse at different sections at different times as the fire progressed through the building?

How is it possible to collapse at precisely the same time an all four corners and have the entire surface fall straight down at almost the speed of gravity?

Better yet, why did it collapse at all?
 
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