DeeJayH

are you sure? maybe you want to read the rest of your post

thanks for spelling out what you fail to grasp
that is why you go to conspiracy forums
reality is too simple and plain
the FBI 'harassed' him, his wife, his kids
and while that did not make him aware that the FBI were looking at him for it, it caused him to drink while depressed and eventually kill himself
how retarded

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mogur

Oh, a bully, huh? Nice retort.

Why don't you simply click on the second link in my post, you know, the underlined text? Ivins certainly knew from 2001 that he was on a short list of suspects. And he also witnessed the brutal pressure to make his fellow Detrick employee, Steven Hatfill, cave in. The fact that Ivins was brutalized by the FBI does not signal that an "indictment is imminent". Yet, that was touted in the MSM as the trigger for Ivins' suicide, as well as in your carefully researched post.

And, nice to meet you, mate!

I think you might want to re-think that one! It was you that first suggested Lamont's thread be moved to this conspiracy forum. And exactly what is a realistic free-thinker like yourself doing here, in this cauldron of tin foil?

kathaksung

Quote, "Hair Samples in Anthrax Case Don't Match

Strands From Mailbox in Princeton Are Not From Ivins, Investigators Say

By Carrie Johnson Washington Post Staff Writer

Thursday, August 14, 2008; Page A02
Federal investigators probing the deadly 2001 anthrax attacks recovered samples of human hair from a mailbox in Princeton, N.J., but the strands did not match the lead suspect in the case, according to sources briefed on the probe.

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Hair Samples in Anthrax Case Don't Match <http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/story/2008/08/14/ST2008081401404.html>
Investigations Blog: Evidence Fuels Speculation

Hair Doesn't Match Anthrax Suspect, Fuels Speculation - Washington Post Investigations
Full Coverage: Ivins Case <http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/linkset/2008/08/06/LI2008080601520.html>

DeeJayH

maybe they match the many people in the post office that unfortunately handled the tainted package
proves absolutely nothing regarding a mentally challenged, suicidal and perhaps apocalyptic mad man

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Bruce Ivins was a gentle, caring man. That is the opinion of more than 250 friends that attended his funeral. He played piano for 28 years at St. John's the Evangelist Roman Catholic Church, and was known to volunteer to clean up after services. He also volunteered much of his time for the Red Cross. He mentored student and graduate scientists at both the University of Cincinnati where he got his degrees, and at Fort Detrick. Some mourners wept when speakers at the service talked about Ivins' many hobbies, including juggling, target shooting, practical jokes, cartoons and the weather. Colleagues recalled a talented scientist with a probing mind who loved to debate a wide variety of subjects. His neighbors knew Bruce as an avid grass recycler, who encouraged them to also recycle grass clippings.

Gerry Andrews, who worked with Ivins at Fort Detrick for nine years and was the bacteriology division's chief from 2000 to 2003, said that it was rare for Ivins to join the other researchers after work for beer and that Ivins drank so little he was kidded about being a teetotaler. W. Russell Byrne, an infectious disease specialist who worked with Ivins in the bacteriology division at Fort Detrick until Byrne's 2000 retirement from the Army, has kept up with his former colleagues. Byrne said he remembers offering Ivins a beer one night several years ago when Ivins made a rare appearance at a party at Bushwaller's, an Irish pub in the heart of Frederick where their crowd of scientists sometimes gathered. "He declined," Byrne recalled. "He said he had a family history of alcoholism."

In addition to his alcoholism, he suffered from depression. Yet there has been no evidence offered that has shown either that the alcohol or his depression interfered with a normal family life. Until, of course, the FBI started hounding him late last year. We know the above facts to be true. The 64 dollar question, of course, is whether he had a dark side that he managed to keep hidden from everyone who knew him and loved him. The evidence comes from only two sources (so far, at least).

The first is Nancy L. Haigwood, a microbiologist who went to the U of Cincinnati with Ivins. She and her former husband, Carl J. Scandella, think Ivins may have wanted to get close to her when he moved in down the street from the couple in the suburbs of Washington in the early 1980s. Scandella did not know that Ivins had been their neighbor until he was told recently by a reporter. But Haigwood believes Ivins spray painted the letters KKG (Kappa Kappa Gamma) on her car. In spite of this, Ivins and Haigwood keep in touch by phone, letters, and email through the years. When the anthrax attacks happened, the American Society for Microbiology noted that a microbiologist was probably responsible for the anthrax mailings and asked its members to think of possible suspects. Haigwood decided to call the FBI. She then claims that she started to fear that if Ivins found out that she fingered him, that he might want to retaliate against her. That's it. That's the big "stalking" claim against Ivins. Someone who thinks Ivins might have pulled a college prank on her, and who she kept in touch with, but harbored this feeling that he was 'odd'.

The second source for this dark side is the infamous Jean Carol Wittman Duley. The biker druggie who became an addictions counselor trainee at the age of 44. Long after the FBI started its campaign against Ivins, and he went to two four week long detox/rehab sessions, Duley and Ivins ended up in, basically, a 'sobriety school'. Duley was the counselor, but happened to be under house arrest at that time for her latest DUI on Dec 23, 2007. Ivins probably came in on the 9th of July session, blowing off steam, ranting about the pressure on him from the FBI, (or who knows what else, since Duley is in hiding). That scared her into calling the authorities on Ivins, and the rest is history, although a very short history from that point.

DeeJayH

actually he was a psychologicaly weak and twisted person, that it is no surprise that he may be the anthrax killer

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Ha, ha, ha, ha.... that's good, very good. Mentally challenged PhD is perfect.

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There are "mentally challenged" people that are quite intelligent. Depression is a "Mental Challenge".

mogur

Mentally Challenged: Refers to those whose IQ is below 70-75 and who lack proper adaptive social behavior.

Actually, I couldn't figure out if he was trolling or serious. Amusing either way.

mogur

In a Aug 8 2008 news conference, the DOJ and the FBI misrepresented their own evidence in a effort to railroad Ivins after his death (and after anyone could challenge that evidence in a court of law)-
Here is the actual reasoning that they used to come up with the above conclusion (from their own search warrant affidavits)-
Now, I know there is no specific requirement for a U.S. Attorney to take a college logic class, but come on! If someone said to you that you murdered someone, and that the reason they know this is that the murder weapon was purchased (out of a two state possible area) near where you live, and the reason that they know it was purchased there is because it is near where you live, would you have a problem with that logic? I know I wouldn’t have a problem with it, because it is just absurd, and I wouldn’t care if he spread that nonsense to the press, because it would just make him look stupid.

But that is not what the DOJ and the FBI did. They left out the illogically circular assumptions, and to the press, simply said “Based on the analysis, we were able to conclude that the envelopes used in the mailings were very likely sold at a post office in [the] Frederick, Md., area in 2001.” They are not stupid, that is intentional misrepresentation of the facts. To pinpoint the Frederick, Md Post Office with the weight of “FBI analysis” is just an indication of their ass-covering cowardice.