Who made Dr Bruce Ivins take his own life?

Hugh_Akston · 08-05-08, 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Gladiator

This is the guy's first post, and you are already slamming Lamont, in a personal attack that has nothing to do with his question raised about a suicide of a shy, non-self-agrandizing guy. who most certainly would not have acted alone in the Anthrax scare of 2001. There are strong suspicions that 9-11-01 was orchestrated by pre-9-11 Iraq War Planners. The questions have not been answered to my satisfaction.

So is it your asertion that Bruce Irvin acted alone? That questions of lone conspirators have never been raised before? You are saying the US law enforcement authorities don't find it more convenient to blame a single actor?

I raised the questions about Bruce Irvin's suicide in an earlier thread on Conspiracy Theories, 6 hours after the story broke.

http://www.debatepolitics.com/conspi...questions.html

Questioning whether Bruce Irvin acted alone, and the role of Law enforcement in furthering a single conspirator theory, is responsible thinking for an individual thinking person.

The idea that Pre-9-11 Iraq war planners may have contrived to bring down the WTC Towers 1. 2 and 7, with Termite/Thermate, forged a CIA letter to implicate Sadam Hussein, slanted the Presidential News spokesman and otherwise triecd to snooker the American Public into War with Iraq bears consideration, and honest Debate.

CIA Forged Iraq Intelligence, New Book Says

"Ron Suskind, author of "The Price of Loyalty" and "The One Percent Doctrine," is out with a new book that includes CIA forgery of pre-war intelligence, the Politico reports:"

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Gladiator · 08-05-08, 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by P/N

I thought it was strange that 9-11 and the Anthrax attacks occurred near the same time period. Now I understand that the pre-9-11 Iraq War Planners were setting the stage for the Iraq War. I really never made the connection before, as to how the Anthrax Attacks tied in with a set-up for the Iraq War.

Your smilies are interesting,but your message seems to be that anyone who sees a conspiracy in Anthrax is as loonie as those who claim to have been abducted by aliens. I feel your ridicule, but fail to understad a deeper message, or rebuttal of an Anthrax conspiracy.

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Tucker Case · 08-05-08, 11:12 PM

Back to the original question, I bet Dr. David Bruce Ivins took his own life because he kept turning into a giant, green monster everytime he got mad. Basically, bipolar disorder in it's most debilitating form.

That really starts to wear on a guy after a while.

Gladiator · 08-05-08, 11:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Tucker Case

Back to the original question, I bet Dr. David Bruce Ivins took his own life because he kept turning into a giant, green monster everytime he got mad. Basically, bipolar disorder in it's most debilitating form.

That really starts to wear on a guy after a while.

What medicatons did he use to overdose?

What medications was he on?

What medications had he stopped taking in the last 60 days?

What are the suicide statistics for BiPolar? the Bi-polars I know just live to irritate other people. Suicide would defeat the purpose.

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Tucker Case · 08-05-08, 11:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Gladiator

What medicatons did he use to overdose?

What medications was he on?

What medications had he stopped taking in the last 60 days?

What are the suicide statistics for BiPolar? the Bi-polars I know just live to irritate other people. Suicide would defeat the purpose...

I don't know for sure, but you wouldn't want to make him angry. You wouldn't like him when he was angry.

Gladiator · 08-07-08, 09:20 AM

Who was Bruce Ivins corresponding with in e-mails in August and September 2001?

The FBI is quick to say Ivins ACTED ALONE. Which maybe he did. But who was giving his wild delusional ideas reasons to create an Anthrax Scare?

Who gave Ivins the idea that if he wanted his work on the Anthrax vaccine not to end, a catostrophic event should occur involving Anthrax.

What did Ivins say in his letters to Senators and Congressmen?

Which Pre-9-11 Iraq War planners knew about IVINS?

Which pre-9-11 Iraq War Planners knew that Saddam Hussein had lost his records of the destruction of Anthrax?

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kathaksung · 08-07-08, 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Lamont

Dr Bruce Ivins is dead. Who would want his death, huh?

In case you don't know, who the hell is that guy, he is a US bio-defence expert who stood behind anthrax-contaminated letters that killed five people. So, why did he commit such a surprising suicide only two days before he had to come up for trial?

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He had to come up for trial? Could that be created too? Just like that suspicious "suicide". Because if FBI had a break off on the case, they would beat the drum to say they catch the suspect. But nobody knew they found the suspect. Compare with Hadhill, how media blow the trumpet on that case?

kathaksung · 08-17-08, 03:47 PM

Ivins never knew he was the "suspect", how could he suicide on something he even didn't know? It was obvious an elimination and a framed case. To quit the real anthrax perpetrator and close the case.

08.08.09. Attorney: Ivins never knew he was ‘the suspect’

Neal Augenstein
Saturday, Aug 9, 2008
As the government pegs the blame for the 2001 deadly attacks on one Army biologist, the attorney for scientist Bruce Ivins says his client never knew he was “the suspect” in the attacks.

“We were never informed or advised that an indictment was imminent of him,” attorney Tom DeGonia tells WTOP. DeGonia’s broadcast interview is Ivins’ lawyers’ first interview since Ivins committed suicide.

Alex Jones’ Prison Planet.com Attorney: Ivins never knew he was ‘the suspect’

DeeJayH · 08-17-08, 04:50 PM

Bruce Edwards Ivins - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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Late in July 2008, investigators informed Ivins of his impending prosecution for his alleged involvement in the 2001 anthrax attacks that Ivins himself had previously assisted authorities in investigating. It has been reported that the death penalty would have been sought in the case.[28] Ivins maintained his security clearance until July 10; he had been publicly critical of the lab's security procedures for several years.

obviously he therefor knew when he killed himself

mogur · 08-26-08, 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by DeeJayH

obviously he therefor knew when he killed himself

Any possible indictment was at least weeks away, the investigators claim. Further, his attorneys say that Ivins never knew that he was a suspect. Besides, feelings of guilt are impossible in a sociopathic, homicidal maniac that the FBI has tried to foster as Ivins' image. They accomplished this feat through Jean Duley as a cutout to place their desired portrait of Ivins in the court record via a non-adversarial peace order application. That took the heat off the FBI for any future revelations that would paint them in a bad light (or even into a corner). Very clever. Duley claims the FBI refused to protect her, claiming that they had their hands full watching Ivins. Give me a break!!! She also claims that the FBI then strongly encouraged her to file for a protective injunction. She was so scared by what the FBI told her that she was shaking like a leaf at the courtroom, and proceeded to proffer all sorts of wild claims about Ivins. Evidence of FBI pressure is the fact that she knew there was an "imminent indictment for 5 capital murders". Now, how could she possibly know that? Hm, let me think.

Now, back to the original question of who made Ivins kill himself. The overwhelming cause of suicide is mental illness, especially depression. Dr. Ivins was, and had been suffering from depression for virtually his entire life. A prime candidate, for sure. And there was a serious alcohol addiction, as well. Both of these factors were readily known to him and freely admitted to. But to his credit, Dr. Ivins was able to control these debilitative influences through treatment and abstinence. Until November, 2007.

That is when the FBI started its campaign of pressure against Ivins. They jerked his family out of his own house and locked everyone down in separate rooms for a 24 hour search of his house and vehicles. During this lock down, his daughter complained to Ivins' attorney that the FBI agents showed her autopsy photos of the anthrax victims and pressured her to rat out her father. The son claimed that agents tried to bribe him with the $2.5 million reward, claiming that he could buy a nice sports car with the money, if he would provide evidence against his dad. The search turned up nothing, absolutely nothing. It simply resulted in terrifying Ivins family.

But that was just the beginning. Ivins told friends that FBI agents approached him in a shopping mall and told him, "You killed a bunch of people". They then turned to his wife and asked, "Do you know he killed people?" A Hatfill type close surveillance then proceeded to overshadow Ivins' entire life. And that is when his depression and alcoholism started to take over his life also. There is a word for what caused Dr. Ivins' death. It is called "bullycide", and I am not making that word up. Google it.

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kathaksung Student Join Date: Sep 2007 Last Seen: 03-06-10 02:15 PM Posts: 203 Thanks: 0 Thanked 19 Times in 14 Posts Gender:	Re: Who made Dr Bruce Ivins take his own life? Ivins never knew he was the "suspect", how could he suicide on something he even didn't know? It was obvious an elimination and a framed case. To quit the real anthrax perpetrator and close the case. 08.08.09. Attorney: Ivins never knew he was ‘the suspect’ Neal Augenstein Saturday, Aug 9, 2008 As the government pegs the blame for the 2001 deadly attacks on one Army biologist, the attorney for scientist Bruce Ivins says his client never knew he was “the suspect” in the attacks. “We were never informed or advised that an indictment was imminent of him,” attorney Tom DeGonia tells WTOP. DeGonia’s broadcast interview is Ivins’ lawyers’ first interview since Ivins committed suicide. Alex Jones’ Prison Planet.com Attorney: Ivins never knew he was ‘the suspect’

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