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A) It was Cheney.

B) Oh my god he's a human being who didn't give the order to take down a civilian airliner.

C) You're wrong, he gave a shoot down order not a stand down order but it was to late.

Gladiator

Neocons "They projected a sequence of wars. They linked their Middle East war strategy to a global military offensive against all governments, movements and leaders who opposed US military-driven empire building. What they needed was to coordinate the elite into actually facilitating a ‘catastrophic terrorist incident’ that could trigger the implementation of their publicly stated and defended new world war.

The key to the success of the operation was to encourage terrorists and to facilitate calculated and systematic ‘neglect’ – to deliberately marginalize intelligence agents and agency reports that identified the terrorists, their plans and methods. In the subsequent investigatory hearings, it was necessary to foster the image of ‘neglect’, bureaucratic ineptness and security failures in order to cover up Administration complicity in the terrorists’ success. An absolutely essential element in mobilizing massive and unquestioning support for the launching of a world war of conquest and destruction centered in Muslim and Arab countries and people was a ‘catastrophic event’ that could be linked to the latter.

After the initial shock of 9/11 and the mass media propaganda blitz saturating every household, questions began to be raised by critics about the run-up to the event, especially when reports began to circulate from domestic and overseas intelligence agencies that US policy makers were clearly informed of preparations for a terrorist attack. "



"Philip Zelikow, an academic and former government official and prominent advocate of ‘preventative defense’ (the offensive war policies promoted by the Zionist militants in the government) was named executive director to conduct and write the official ‘9-11 Commission Report’. Zelikow was privy to the need for a pretext, like 9/11, for launching the permanent global warfare, which he had advocated. With a prescience, which could only come from an insider to the fabrication leading to war, he had written: “Like Pearl Harbor , this event would divide our past and future into a before and after. The United States (sic) might respond with draconian measures, scaling back civil liberties, allowing wider surveillance of citizens, detention of suspects and use of deadly force (torture)”, (see Catastrophic Terrorism – Tackling the New Dangers , co-authored by Philip Zelikow and published by Foreign Affairs in 1998)."


"Israeli military expansion and repression reached new heights as US-financed colonial Jewish settlers and heavily armed Israeli military forces slaughtered unarmed Palestinian teenagers protesting the Israeli presence in the Occupied Territories during the First Intifada. In other words, Washington extended its military penetration and occupation deeper into Arab countries and societies, discrediting and weakening the hold of its client puppet regimes over their people."


Provocations as Pretexts for Imperial War: From Pearl Harbor to 9/11 The Kassandra Project: freedom against disinformation

I had thought that Clinton was trying to restrain Israeli settlements and military actions against the Palestinians. Maybe Bill was trying to manipulate the Islamic Militants to carry out terrorist events to motivate the US Congress to get behind more US military action throughout the world.


Were there additional, still secret planners of 9-11?

Sharon in 9/11 War Provocation?


Are there covert connections of Neocons with Isalmic Militants? Are these connections used to create terrorist events that keep the American fearful of not supporting more agressive US military intervention in the World?




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When reading the PNAC statement in context it is clear that they wanted investment in advanced military technology which is completely useless against a loosely affiliated international network of Islamic terrorists:

New Pearl Harbour

And Larouche is a freaking fascist:

Lyndon LaRouche - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Gladiator

The terrorists are serving the purpoase of making US Congressmen and Americans fearful of the terrorists, so that military action can be pursued at will, for opportunity. Iraq has a lot of oil reserves, and is strategically situated to control other oil producing nations.

The terrorsts are the political enabler of US empire building. The Islamic terrorists are working for the Neocons, perhaps secretly, perhaps unknowingly, perhaps by manipulation through mistreatment of the Palestinians or other Arab or Islamic groups or nations.



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The US CIA now has considerable control over the purse strings of Isalmic militant groups. Since 9-11, the FBI/CIA have considerable new powers to get information from banks, and freeze accounts. Bush would like Americans to think that he is trying to stop Poppy growers in Afghanistan. The CIA and DEA control which fields bring in money to which militant groups.

Neocons desire just enough terrorism activity to keep the American People afraid, but not so much terrorism as to disturb trade too much. Necons have many tools to dampen, or unleash, terrorism, as may suit their goals of intimidation and manipulation.







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Again in context the PNAC article had to do with increased expenditure in advanced military hardware which is completely useless in the type of war that 9-11 forced upon us.

:eyeroll I will never understand how the truther mind can leapfrog from one thing to another, we start with Rumsfeld (when it was Cheney) not giving a shoot down order (which is false Cheney did in fact give a shoot down order) which even if it were true proves only that he is a human being, and now we are on to American treatment of the Palestinians (when in actuality the U.S. is their largest benefactor) and supposed clandestine support for which you provide absolutely 0 evidence for.

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Of course you have some evidence to back up your assertion that the poppy crops we destroy and don't destroy is tied to which militant groups we want to support right? You act is if there is some evil neo-cons sitting around a round table rubbing their hands together laughing mwuhahahahahaha, you stereotype a huge number of people who for you have become the embodiment of evil this is the exact typology of a conspiracy theorist and you fit the mold quite perfectly, these ridiculous assertions have existed for hundreds of; first it's the illuminati, then the masons, then the catholics, then the Jews, then the communists, and now the zionists and the neo-cons while the name of the evil cabal might change the conspiracist pattern and story stay exactly the same.

I swear the mental gymnastics that the truther can perform are quite astounding.

Gladiator

I did not say Necons were Evil. Evil is your word. Your evaluation of my vision of the Truth.

Reality is reality. The Neocons are balandncing inciting and permitting Terrosism, as they feel the need to scare the West into giving up their privacy, and spending more on the Western Military to firghten the rest of the world into better trading agreements.

Evil or just good business?


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Evidence for any of that?

Fiddytree

Not entirely. The best I have seen is to discuss the business connections of Richard Perle, but Richard's biggest flaws are his inabilities to detect conflicts of interests and his devotion to friends.

Basically, it comes down to whether or not you believe that a small group of people with connections have intentions that want the United States to feel afraid so they can accomplish Pax Americana, by any means necessary (and usually, we stress any means necessary, even killing US citizens to accomplish the goal).

For all of their faults, I find it ludicrous to suggest that is their aim. In the words of Francis Fukuyama, "Neoconservatism is not some alien spore".