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Old 07-11-08, 07:18 AM   #31
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The impact had nothing to do with the collapse.
I know that.

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Where the hole was is irrelevant.
The location of the damage causing the collapse is relevant. In order for a building to fall straight down into its own footprint at near freefall speed, the damage must be equally distributed throughout the building, and all supporting beams must fail simultaneously. NIST has yet to adequately explain the WTC7 collapse.

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Now, I have a question for the Truthers: If the building was mined, why bother with the planes?
A question for the Faith-ers: Why did the administration ignore numerous warnings about 9/11, especially when the CIA believed a terrorist attack was impending? George Tenet was described as running around with his "hair on fire," as GWB nonchalantly continued his month-long vacation.
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Old 07-11-08, 12:46 PM   #32
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Re: 9/11 being an inside job

Why cant you truthers produce a name of one person with any real notoriety and respect who backs your theorys?
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Old 07-14-08, 06:32 PM   #33
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A question for the Faith-ers: Why did the administration ignore numerous warnings about 9/11, especially when the CIA believed a terrorist attack was impending? George Tenet was described as running around with his "hair on fire," as GWB nonchalantly continued his month-long vacation.
Same reason Roosevledt cut off the oil to Japan before Pearl Harbor, and ordere no preemptive actions by the Military.

Bush and the neocons were looking for a reason to wage war in the Middle-East, in partiuclar agsints oil rich Iraq.

Bush was praying for a provicative actgion, and was delibverately encouraging Israel to buldoze Paslestinian settlement, to antagonize the Palestinians, to provke other Islamic radicals.

Bush may not have planted explosives in the World Trade Towers, but the Neocons sure were not about to stop any attacks by Islamic terrorists, that in any way could be linked to Iraq.


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The impact had nothing to do with the collapse. Where the hole was is irrelevant.

The hole from the impact on floors maybe 3 to 9, allowed air in to feed the fire. The NYFD stopped fighting the fire at Noon, and the fire burned, getting hotter, till WT7 collapsed at 5:30 PM. Had there been no impact and no hole, ther might have been less air to feed the fire, and the fire might have extinguixhed, or not burned as hot, if ther had been less air from the corner of WT7.

Molten, smoldering metal was found days after the collapse. Molten metal is not from an explosion. Moletn metal is from the beams, wrapped in 2 hour fire retardent material. The fire burned more than 2 hours and weakened the beams. Once enough beams were weak, the weight started to compound on the strongest floor, which gave way to the weight, then there was too much weight for each succssive overloaded floor. Not to mention rivits popping and welds bending.


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Old 07-14-08, 07:25 PM   #35
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The location of the damage causing the collapse is relevant. In order for a building to fall straight down into its own footprint at near freefall speed, the damage must be equally distributed throughout the building, and all supporting beams must fail simultaneously. NIST has yet to adequately explain the WTC7 collapse.
The NIST has developed an extensive theory on the collapse of WTC 7 in which the collapse of a few core columns could have initiated a global collapse. The NIST has not finalized it but it still adequately explains the collapse.

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The NIST has not finalized it but it still adequately explains the collapse.
According to whom?
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"Bush may not have planted explosives in the World Trade Towers, but the Neocons sure were not about to stop any attacks by Islamic terrorists, that in any way could be linked to Iraq."

Here we go again.

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According to whom?
What part of the collapse does the NIST hypothesis not explain?
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NIST report not finished.

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There are many questions not answered in the NIST report.

Did NYFD string any hoses to get water pressure to the fire systems of Building 7? What were the water pressures of the hoses, and how much flow into the building was there?

How much water was delivered to which floors through the sprinkler systems?

Were the generators running, and did they supply electricity to the fire pumps for he sprinkler systems? For how long did the fire pumps run? Did fir damage the electrical emergency wiring, and did breakers trip, interrupting electricity to the fire pumps?

What was the temperature of the beams on the upper floors at 5:15 PM, before the upper floors started to buckle?

What was the relative strenth of the steel beams on the upper floors at the temperautres estimated for 5:15 PM?

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"Bush may not have planted explosives in the World Trade Towers, but the Neocons sure were not about to stop any attacks by Islamic terrorists, that in any way could be linked to Iraq."

Here we go again.

So Pearl Harbor was a SURPRISE attack too?

Rumsfeld gave the order to not use the Pentagon's missle defense system to shoot down the incoming airliner. Rumsfeld could have prevented the attack on the Pentagon, but he preferred to appear like a "victim."


Maybe Iran has missles, and the US Pentagon was unprotected in 2001? Maybe they fired missles at the air liner, but missed? A WWII anti-aircraft battery could have shot down that airliner.



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