9/11 being an inside job - Page 3

Pull My Finger · 07-02-08, 10:11 PM

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Other facts, coincidences, and points of interest…

The CIA monitors markets in real time for suspicious activity. They also have a long sordid history with banking institutions - some that have been found to be laundering drug money.

AB Brown, a financial firm, was headed by ‘Buzzy’ Crongard up to 1998. He was the head of the CIA on 9/11. His Former company handled some of the suspicious trades surrounding 9/11. There were reports that the hijackers had access to the CIA prior to 9/11.

The 9/11 Commission dismissed the possibility of insider trading with the following logic:

only al-Qaeda had foreknowledge of the attacks
the investors had no (discernible) ties with al-Qaeda
therefore the investors had no foreknowledge of the attacks

There was no further investigation. The Commission deemed the financing of 9/11 to be ‘of little significance’.

The DoD can’t account for $2.3 trillion or more

YOUTUBE: DoD can’t account for 2.3 trillion

Many of the officials who would be implicated in a complete investigation are making exorbitant profits off the WOT through no bid cost plus contracts. The Carlyle Group (Bush Sr.) is making billions of dollars off the WOT

Building 6 suffered an explosion. A large and very hot fire burned for hours before firefighters could get it under control. This building did not collapse. Multiple explosions were reported at ‘ground zero’. Despite this, explosives were never explored as a possibility in the official investigation. All testimony was ignored.

2:30 into clip

YOUTUBE: In Plane Sight

37:30 into movie to 40:00

”Zeitgeist”

Bin Laden family was flown out of the country before questioning while airspace was closed. The Bush’s and Bin Laden’s have had business dealings in the past.

Anthrax attacks were blamed on Bin Laden, then Saddam. When it was discovered that the anthrax was American made, the story disappeared. Not a single word was made regarding further investigation.18 scientists in the Anthrax/Cipro field mysteriously died that year,

There were war games that simulated very similar attacks on the same buildings during the 9/11 attacks. Cheney took control of responding to air threats months previous to 9/11. He controlled the response on 9/11. In 2000 NORAD had 100% accuracy on 67 intercepts. On 9/11 they failed 4 times in one morning. It took nearly 2 hours before jets were scrambled. Nobody knows who ordered the war games. There is reliable testimony that contradicts Cheney’s described actions on 9/11.

The London bombings in July of 2005 have similarities to 9/11.

There was no public inquiry - Tony Blair said it was “a ludicrous diversion”. Blair’s government decided what to release to the public in lieu of the public inquiry. Civil Liberties have been dismantled in the name of terrorism. The UK also had exercises simulating the exact same scenario at the exact same time. The official 7/7 theory is as widely criticized as the official 9/11 theory.

"At half past nine this morning we were actually running an exercise for a company of over a thousand people in London based on simultaneous bombs going off precisely at the railway stations where it happened this morning, so I still have the hairs on the back of my neck standing up right now."
Peter Power on BBC Radio 5, July 7, 2005

BBC: London Bombings July 7 2005
WIKI: London Bombing July 7 2005

The Oklahoma City Bombing also has similarities to 9/11

Same 4 investigators
Controlled Demolition Inc cleaned up the rubble (before investigations)
Rubble was ‘destroyed’ (buried or recycled)
Both were followed by anti-terror legislation that affected civil liberties

911research: 9/11 & OkC Bombing Parallels

The collapse of WTC 7 has yet to be explained. Larry Silverstein said of WTC 7, “pull it”. The CIA headquarters for terrorism, The SEC & files for Enron scandal, Secret Service, a mayoral bunker, FBI, all inhabited WTC 7. A second command center was set up the day before 9/11 near WTC 7 from which the response to 9/11 was directed.

WTC 7 "is (a) controlled demolition.... A team of
experts did this. This is professional work, without any doubt."
Danny Jowenko Demolition Expert in business for 30 years

“The term ‘pull it’ means when they actually pull the building down.”
Secretary, Controlled Demolition Inc, the company that cleaned WTC rubble

WTC 1,2, & 7 are the first 3 towers to ever fall from fire - before and since 9/11.

The yellowcake documentation turned out to be false but we didn’t investigate the Italian spy responsible who was involved in the exact same plot in Italy. Saddam and AQ had no real ties. There were no WMD’s in Iraq. The Administration finally chose to ‘free Iraqi’s’ in the midst of a WOT. Many other countries are far bigger sponsors of terrorism than Iraq.

A pipeline deal (including Unocal) in Afghanistan went sour with the Taliban in place in the late 90’s.

The US, UK, & NATO had amassed considerable forces in Egypt and carrier battle groups in the Arabian Gulf for training exercises. They were all in range of Afghanistan a week prior to 9/11.

Hamid Karzai, Afghanistan’s new President, was a consultant for Unocal at one time. Bush appointed Zalmy Khalilzad as a special envoy to Afghanistan. Khalilzad was a former employee of Unocal.

The pipeline deal is now underway.

The head researcher of Popular Mechanic’s ‘Debunking 9/11 Lies’ (Ben Chertoff) is the cousin of head of Homeland Security. (Mike Chertoff)

Bush claimed to see the first plane hit the towers.

There was a 20% combined occupancy between the 4 hijacked flights on 9/11 compared to the average occupancy of over 75%

The government has passed legislation to consolidate power (that reduces civil liberties) in the wake of 9/11. Hitler did the same thing after the Reichstag terrorist attack.

The US passed the complicated 1000+ page Patriot Act only 45 days after 9/11. Hitler passed the Enabling Act 24 days after the Reichstag attack.

The US created the Department of Homeland Security in the wake of 9/11. Hitler created the same thing (Gestapo) in the wake of the Reichstag fire.

The US has waged 2 (debatably illegal, definitely questionable) preemptive wars since 9/11, based on an ideological struggle between good and evil. Hitler waged preemptive wars for the same reason following the Reichstag

The Bush family headed a bank that was charged under the trading with the enemy Act for funding the Nazi rise to power and continued support during WWII

Societies that have been shut down in the past all have similarities which the US has been exhibiting for the last few years,

Laurence Brit: 14 Points to Facism
Umberto Eco: 14 Ways of Looking at a Black Shirt
Naomi Wolf: Ten Steps to Close Down an Open Society

Cooperative Research
Scholars for 9/11 truth
Scholars for 9/11 truth & justice

Peace

Travelsonic · 07-04-08, 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Trinity

Alright, but noone has addressed the points made by the video I have in my OP. .

I made some comments on them, can't you read?

Richard Nixon · 07-04-08, 10:45 PM

Not to be a dick guys, but can those who aren't actually going to refute anything stay away from these threads? This is to guys like Mikhail, especially, who just come in, insinuate their view is right, then leave without saying why. Just something I've noticed.

Good thread disregarding that.

Gladiator · 07-05-08, 03:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Pull My Finger

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The collapse of WTC 7 has yet to be explained. Larry Silverstein said of WTC 7, “pull it”. The CIA headquarters for terrorism, The SEC & files for Enron scandal, Secret Service, a mayoral bunker, FBI, all inhabited WTC 7. A second command center was set up the day before 9/11 near WTC 7 from which the response to 9/11 was directed.

WTC 7 "is (a) controlled demolition.... A team of
experts did this. This is professional work, without any doubt."
Danny Jowenko Demolition Expert in business for 30 years

“The term ‘pull it’ means when they actually pull the building down.”
Secretary, Controlled Demolition Inc, the company that cleaned WTC rubble

WTC 1,2, & 7 are the first 3 towers to ever fall from fire - before and since 9/11.

Peace

The demolition experts who claim that Building 7 collapsed from explosions do not present calculations of the temperatures inside building 7 at 5 PM, before Building 7 collapsed. The temperatures were high enough to significantly weaken the steel beams, and cause the collapse..

Buildings 5 and 6 did not collapse, yet those buildings were engulged with fire.

Huge Amounts Of Smoke Came From WTC 5 & 6 NOT WTC 7

Huge Amounts Of Smoke Came From WTC 5 & 6 NOT WTC 7

These photos show that Buildings 5 and 6 were 12 strories high, and could almost entirely be reached with water hoses. There were substantial breaches to the outer shells of 5 and 6, so no heat was building up in building 5 and 6.

All the people had been evacuated from Building 7, and the fire hoses could not reach very far up the 47 story building. The upper exterior shell of Building 7 was largely intact. The intact upper exterior of building 7 held in the heat from the fires on middle floors.

The NYFD had no effective plan for fighting the multi-story fire in Building 7, there was already significant structural damage to a lower corner of Building 7, and a command decision was made that enough firefighters had already died on 9-11, so no efforts were made to combat the fire in Building 7.

Heat rises, and as the fire burned from at least 10:28 AM to 5:20 PM, the heat built up inside, and the heat rose to the floors above the fire in the building.

The NYFD could have done more to cool off Building 7, so maybe the NYFD wants to say they were surprised that Building 7 collapsed from heat build up inside the building.

It was not well understood on 9-11-01 that Steel weakens when heated. It was not well understood, that as a fire burns on the lower floors of an office building, that the floors immediately above the fire will become overheated, lose their structural strength, and bring more weight to bear on the floor immediately below the fire, so that the weight of floors 20 through 27 will overload floor 20, and start a collapse. Floors 19, 18, 17 each will become succesively overladed and collapse, as an example.

I have seen several fires in high rise apartments, and the apartments are desiged to contain gthe fire within that one apartment. So the fire is encapsulated, and does not threated the apartments above or beside the aparment on fire.

For Office Buildings, there is no such copmartmentalization. One floor on fire, burns up to the next floor. Heat keeps building up, and weakens the steel and overloads the floor at the base of the fire.

Fire fighting efforts on Building 7 stopped at Noon, on 9-11.

Context of '(5:20 p.m.) September 11, 2001: WTC Building 7 Collapses; Cause Remains Unclear'

Context of '(5:20 p.m.) September 11, 2001: WTC Building 7 Collapses; Cause Remains Unclear'

Further discussion of Building 7 collapse, on Page 8.

http://www.debatepolitics.com/conspi...dia-dam-8.html (Ventura’s 9/11 Questions Break Through Mainstream Media Dam)

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Pull My Finger · 07-05-08, 02:14 PM

I know we’ve seen these a hundred times, but I still find it interesting that these two buildings burned just as hot, and over a much wider area for nearly 24 hours. Just like WTC 5 & 6, they did not collapse…

And building 7

If NIST ever releases a report on the collapse of #7, I’ll be interested to see if they even explore explosives as a possibility.

Peace

Fiddytree · 07-10-08, 09:49 PM

In regards to PNAC, did it ever occur to you that sometimes a cigar is just a cigar? Must we travel down the imaginary rabbit hole?

The statement says something very revealing, but not diabolical. The American political conscience has been very neglectful towards the conception of "seizing the unipolar moment". In the 1990s, many Neoconservatives were not sure what to do with the American military, and some, including Irving Kristol displayed a sense of wanting to retire some of the US's military presence in Europe. So not only was America at large debating what it should do, but so were the neocons. A traditional sense of American foreign presence versus liberal internationalism were in conflict during the Clinton administration, and PNAC said, "No, don't retreat, use our democratic principles to shape the world for the better of the United States and the world". They realized that indeed, unless something dramatically tragic were to happen (God forbid), their recommended changes may not happen.

They were in many ways correct, and in some ways, very incorrect in that statement. Does this naturally mean that PNAC, a group of somewhat like-minded individuals could accomplish something so dramatically coordinated and be granted the means at which to do it?

It rests upon the assumption that there is a powerful elite that is stupid, powerful (and...to some, Jewish), and driven to kill its own civilian population for the ideal of Pax Americana.

It's very easy to take a politically obvious statement and make it a conspiracy theory, but to actually put it into practice is incredibly difficult and problematic.

Mad Max · 07-10-08, 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Pull My Finger

I know we’ve seen these a hundred times, but I still find it interesting that these two buildings burned just as hot, and over a much wider area for nearly 24 hours. Just like WTC 5 & 6, they did not collapse…

If NIST ever releases a report on the collapse of #7, I’ll be interested to see if they even explore explosives as a possibility.

Peace

The sad part is he doesn't realize that he defeated his own argument with that last picture.

The last picture is of the giant freaking hole which was ripped out of WTC7 by collapsing towers 1&2.

Chanda · 07-10-08, 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Mad Max

The sad part is he doesn't realize that he defeated his own argument with that last picture.

The last picture is of the giant freaking hole which was ripped out of WTC7 by collapsing towers 1&2.

The giant freaking hole was on the corner of the building. The damage wasn't equally distributed throughout the building, which is why, scientifically, it should never have collapsed straight down.

Mad Max · 07-10-08, 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Chanda

The giant freaking hole was on the corner of the building. The damage wasn't equally distributed throughout the building, which is why, scientifically, it should never have collapsed straight down.

You have no idea what you're talking about, the hole extended 1/3 across the south facade and 1/4 into the interior in a building which was designed in such a way that each outer structural column was responsible for supporting 2,000 square feet (186 square meters) of floor space, this initial local failure combined with an unfought raging inferno to initiate a vertical progression of the initial local failure occurring up to the east penthouse, and as the large floor bays became unable to redistribute the loads, it brought down the interior structure below the east penthouse; and then triggered by damage due to the vertical failure, caused horizontal progression of the failure across the lower floors (in the region of floors 5 and 7 that were much thicker and more heavily reinforced than the rest of the floors) resulting in a disproportionate collapse of the entire structure.

Basically huge chunk of building missing + unfought fires = collapsing building.

Doc Howl · 07-11-08, 07:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Chanda

The giant freaking hole was on the corner of the building. The damage wasn't equally distributed throughout the building, which is why, scientifically, it should never have collapsed straight down.

The impact had nothing to do with the collapse. Where the hole was is irrelevant.

Now, I have a question for the Truthers: If the building was mined, why bother with the planes?