US secret floating prisons and huge floating refrigerators - Page 2

Kandahar · 06-04-08, 12:07 AM

I don't see why this thread automatically got bumped to the "conspiracy theories" forum. Just because the thread was posted by a new member doesn't automatically make it a conspiracy theory. And I'm one of the biggest skeptics about stupid conspiracy theories.

The story itself is at least plausible, it's from a reputable source, it doesn't make any outlandish claims, and President Bush just declared the practice stopped in 2006. I'm not saying it's true, but is this really such a no-brainer that we can't even discuss it on the more "respectable" forums?

new coup for you · 06-04-08, 12:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Jerry

I want to believe

I see, it's written by THE OTHER so we MUST dismiss it. I consider the Guardian, or Le Monde for that matter, a reputable source. Because I can imagine that maybe other nations have reputable media- in fact, considering our current state- I generally believe there's above ours.

But you keep reading Pravda- oops, I watching Fox News, and we'll keep scoring the kinds of victories we have now.

GySgt · 06-04-08, 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Kandahar

I don't see why this thread automatically got bumped to the "conspiracy theories" forum. Just because the thread was posted by a new member doesn't automatically make it a conspiracy theory. And I'm one of the biggest skeptics about stupid conspiracy theories.

The story itself is at least plausible, it's from a reputable source, it doesn't make any outlandish claims, and President Bush just declared the practice stopped in 2006. I'm not saying it's true, but is this really such a no-brainer that we can't even discuss it on the more "respectable" forums?

For the record, I didn't bump it. However, this is conspiracy crap and it had nothi9ng to do with a new member. Like others, this new member just signed on to post a single article. He probably did the same on other sites. "Floating secret prisons?" We would have to discount any military ships, because this would mean stripping away from the ARGs and this hasn't happened. Even with civilian contracted ships, this would entail military guards and such a thing would not be an easily kept secret. Secret prisons in Europe and now secret floating prisons? With the prison at GITMO being an in your face issue from day one we need secret prisons?

It is an outlandish claim.

Hatuey · 06-04-08, 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by GySgt

For the record, I didn't bump it. However, this is conspiracy crap and it had nothi9ng to do with a new member. Like others, this new member just signed on to post a single article. He probably did the same on other sites. "Floating secret prisons?" We would have to discount any military ships, because this would mean stripping away from the ARGs and this hasn't happened. Even with civilian contracted ships, this would entail military guards and such a thing would not be an easily kept secret. Secret prisons in Europe and now secret floating prisons? With the prison at GITMO being an in your face issue from day one we need secret prisons?

It is an outlandish claim.

I have to agree. The U.S. government can't keep any secrets. The story seems plausible but HIGHLY unlikely in the age where all you don't even need to meet somebody to send them classified information. All you need is a Blackberry or an iPhone and you're more or less connected to every major news source available. This would have gotten out ages ago if it were actually happening.

Kandahar · 06-04-08, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Hatuey

I have to agree. The U.S. government can't keep any secrets. The story seems plausible but HIGHLY unlikely in the age where all you don't even need to meet somebody to send them classified information. All you need is a Blackberry or an iPhone and you're more or less connected to every major news source available. This would have gotten out ages ago if it were actually happening.

Well, it showed up in the Guardian. That's a pretty credible source.

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Originally Posted by GySgt

However, this is conspiracy crap and it had nothi9ng to do with a new member. Like others, this new member just signed on to post a single article.

Somehow I think that if I had posted this article, it would've been left alone...but maybe I'm wrong.

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Originally Posted by GySgt

Even with civilian contracted ships, this would entail military guards and such a thing would not be an easily kept secret. Secret prisons in Europe and now secret floating prisons? With the prison at GITMO being an in your face issue from day one we need secret prisons?

The Guardian indicates that it's not even much of a secret:

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The analysis, due to be published this year by the human rights organisation Reprieve, also claims there have been more than 200 new cases of rendition since 2006, when President George Bush declared that the practice had stopped.

It is the use of ships to detain prisoners, however, that is raising fresh concern and demands for inquiries in Britain and the US.

According to research carried out by Reprieve, the US may have used as many as 17 ships as "floating prisons" since 2001. Detainees are interrogated aboard the vessels and then rendered to other, often undisclosed, locations, it is claimed.

Ships that are understood to have held prisoners include the USS Bataan and USS Peleliu. A further 15 ships are suspected of having operated around the British territory of Diego Garcia in the Indian Ocean, which has been used as a military base by the UK and the Americans.

Like I said, I don't know if it's true...but it hardly seems unthinkable. Especially when they list specific ships. Maybe it's true, maybe not...but it doesn't exactly belong alongside 9/11 conspiracies and UFOlogy.

Jerry · 06-04-08, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by new coup for you

I see, it's written by THE OTHER so we MUST dismiss it. I consider the Guardian, or Le Monde for that matter, a reputable source. Because I can imagine that maybe other nations have reputable media- in fact, considering our current state- I generally believe there's above ours.

But you keep reading Pravda- oops, I watching Fox News, and we'll keep scoring the kinds of victories we have now.

When did you become so dogmatic?

Since when do you trust a text over verifiable, falsifiable, peer-reviewed scientific evidence?

...and, imo, if such a conspiracy were true, it would make far more sence to have floating incinerators...

new coup for you · 06-04-08, 01:42 PM

trusting Britain's leading newspaper is dogmatic? So is (presumably) the majority of Britain insane Guardian Zealots?

Jerry · 06-04-08, 01:43 PM

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trusting Britain's leading newspaper is dogmatic?

Yup, it sure is.

new coup for you · 06-04-08, 01:44 PM

So I can assume that trusting whatever news source you trust isn't dogmatic.

Here's what happened. An establishment newspaper with a strong history wrote a story you don't like so you're saying it's a bad paper.

Jerry · 06-04-08, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by new coup for you

So I can assume that trusting whatever news source you trust isn't dogmatic.

I'm a dogmatic person, so trusting news sources is okey for me.

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Originally Posted by new coup for you

Here's what happened. An establishment newspaper with a strong history wrote a story you don't like so you're saying it's a bad paper.

Hmm...no...some paper I've never heard of before posted a radical story and you just swallowed it hook, line and sinker, opting to to replace evidence with trust (=faith).

But we religious folks are somehow wrong when we do it.

Simply trusting a text to form your opinion instead of looking at evidence to form you opinion is what dogmatic folks do, hence my question to you: When did you become dogmatic?