Lachean

Yes but since there is no such thing as proving a negative, the burden of proof lies with you who claims that it exists, not with anyone who does not believe in the Illuminati.

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dirtpoorchris

The point of this thread is to express what you THINK Illuminati is. Im not asking you to prove it. Im not asking you to prove it doesnt exsist. I think that there is a chance that it might. And this is a very intresting concept portrayed in this video. Im not saying that it is true. Not saying that it isn't. But if I ever do have proof I will make sure to tell you "This is what the Illuminati" is.

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Lachean

Really? If someone says that they think the Illuminati is anything at all, you don't care why?

Good, because doing so would prove that you do not understand logic, given that proving a negative isn't possible.

Seems like you're an Illuminati agnostic when pressed for the "why?" you think that there is a chance that the Illuminati "might exist."

If you do not have a reason for your belief, there is nothing wrong with saying so.

Rogue Element

Of course the Illuminati existed.

Just ask Adam Weishaupt
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However, their pedigree is hardly as amazing as many would have you believe. German order, based roughly on revolutionary fervour that was gaining in popularity in Europe at the time, modelled on the Jesuits. Infiltrated the most extreme lodges, planned to overthrow all the monarchies of Europe, got thoroughly shafted by Charles Theodore, Elector of Bavaria.

Then of course Crowley heard of them, much later, and it nearly became as cool to claim a pedigree from the Illuminati for one's occult order as it did to claim one from the Knights Templar.

As an idea or meme, the Illuminati is still pretty potent, but as fact...it looks like it died out through its own infighting and incompetence. Other secret societies will pick up on the memes, to add that veneer of mystery and power...but they seem curiously short on any evidence.

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dirtpoorchris

Ya misunderstanding me. I think that they might exsist to this day. A possibility. There has been secret cults that have come and gone. When I was young I for some reason had an intrest in learning about Satanic stuff. I always believed in good. Always had spirit. But for some reason it passed the time to study it. Get into Son of Sam and all that. Crap like The Process of the Order of the Final Judgement and stuff. The reason why I believe that there might be slight possibility that this group might be? Why not? Why do you believe that there might not be a slight possiblity that they are.

Because the abscense of evidence is evidence of abscense?

Lachean

You should really learn the different between not believing in something, and actively believing that something does not exist.

One cannot prove a negative, hence I would never claim that the Illuminati does not exist; for I could not possibly know that. All I know is that those who do believe in the Illuminati have failed to make their case, hence my position is that I do not believe in their existence, nor do I believe there is a reason to.

dirtpoorchris

Hey Lachean?

Ethereal

I used to read into conspiracy theory books and websites a great deal (I think anyone who is interested in world affairs goes through that phase). It was interesting stuff to read when I first became interested in politics, however, with my growing years and increased ability to research and draw logical conclusions from large bodies of information I have concluded that the Illuminati do not exist.

Those who espouse a belief in the Illuminati take a jumble a loosely connected instances of happenstance and try to mold them into a coherent hypothesis called the Illuminati. Basically they are pulling at straws.

Are there groups of elitist aristocrats who exercise a great deal of influence on matters of world economics and governence? Yes. Is there a tightly-knit cabal of occultists related to one another by royal bloodlines who have been actively trying to enslave humanity for thousands of years? Uh, no. Although it does make for some entertaining reading.

Now, is this to say that the nightmarish dystopia of black helicopters and storm-stroopers cannot come about? Absolutely not. A healthy distrust of the government is a good basis for any political ideology. Just don't go overboard.

Lachean

Yes Chris?

dirtpoorchris

I love you man.