Ventura’s 9/11 Questions Break Through Mainstream Media Dam - Page 7

Gladiator · 05-19-08, 08:11 PM

I don't have a particualr position on the issue. I had read my own evidence which speaks against heat as the cause, but gives the fact that steel is weaker at higher temperatures.

But until you are talking about the tempertures in Building 7, we really can't say what the properties of the supporting beams might have been, at the time of the collapse.

People have a stake in believing that sky-scrapers are safe. I personally recommend a parrachute with toggle steering. How long since your last jump?

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Gladiator · 05-19-08, 08:24 PM

Dear Rogue Nuke.

What about Pearl Harbor 1941? No instructions to the US Commanders to avoid a pre-emptive counter attack? What about the cut telegraph wire to the Northern Radar center?

Don't you believe in War for Oil?

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roguenuke · 05-20-08, 12:23 PM

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Dear Rogue Nuke.

What about Pearl Harbor 1941? No instructions to the US Commanders to avoid a pre-emptive counter attack? What about the cut telegraph wire to the Northern Radar center?

Don't you believe in War for Oil?

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What about Pearl Harbor? Do you realize that I work at Pearl Harbor right now? I haven't seen any actual evidence that Pearl Harbor was "allowed" to happen. But many have researched both sides and still the majority of those researchers would point to the lack of intelligence and communication. I work here now and I could see how it could happen. Heck, the lack of communication between the Navy and other island commands today is kinda incredible. For instance, during Pearl Harbor's centenniel last Tuesday, even the Deputy SecNav commented about the Air Force's aircraft flying over our ceremony every 5-10 minutes. Even in the Navy, communication can be bad. When I was on the carrier, our base almost shot down one of our own planes because they were not informed that it would be flying out to meet us. And unfortunately, people get complacent. I will keep my confidence in the official version of this as well, unless you can give me actual evidence that anyone in our government knew Pearl Harbor would occur on the day it did and purposely did not share that info.

Gladiator · 05-20-08, 09:15 PM

Dear Rogue Nuke,

Thare are a couple of Navy issues about Pearl Harbor, that might be of interest to you. Have you ever heard of an Admiral's Inspection?

Pear harbor was bombed on a Sunday, and an Admiral's Inspection had been ordered for the next Monday. An Admiral's inspection is where all the ammunition is removed from the turrets. Most of the Ammunition had been removed from the turrets of the ships at Pearl Harbor before the Sunday of the bombing, to be ready for Monday's Admiral's Inspection.

Have you ever heard of Mechanical Turret ships? With the advent of aviation, in the 30's, newer ships were built with hydraulic turrets, so as to be able to more quickly turn to shoot more effectively at aircraft. All the ships at Pearl Harbor in Dec. 1941, were Mechanical Turret ships, that were less effective against aircraft.

Many of the newer Hydraulic turret ships were stationed at Manilla Bay, in the Phillipines. The purpose, supposedly, was to make Manilla Bay a less attractive target, so the Japanese would attack Pearl whcih was closer to the US, and the attack would mean more to the American Voter, and Congress.

Thanks for your service in the Navy. You might just ask around some of the older officers, to see what answers you get.

A significant part of the US Military budget is spent in keeping shipping lanes clear.

Sorry to hear about recent near accidents. Keep safe.

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Shaefer · 05-21-08, 12:36 AM

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Do you believe it is possible for steel columned buildings to pancake at free fall speed?

That's a tuffy considering that the towers didn't fall at free fall speed and NIST does not agree with the pancake progressive collapse scenario. Get educated twoofer.

Chanda · 05-21-08, 01:41 AM

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That's a tuffy considering that the towers didn't fall at free fall speed

It's funny that OCT believers quibble over the term "free fall" when the actual rate was within 0.5 seconds of free fall speed for WTC7, and within 5 seconds of free fall speed for the quarter-mile high towers. Watch the videos. The collapse rate was virtual free fall speed.

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and NIST does not agree with the pancake progressive collapse scenario. Get educated twoofer.

The pancake theory originated with NIST and FEMA and has since been retracted.

Jray · 05-21-08, 06:10 PM

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It's funny that OCT believers quibble over the term "free fall" when the actual rate was within 0.5 seconds of free fall speed for WTC7, and within 5 seconds of free fall speed for the quarter-mile high towers. Watch the videos. The collapse rate was virtual free fall speed.

So what made it take those extra 5 seconds?

mikhail · 05-21-08, 06:19 PM

What silly people you are.

bhkad · 05-21-08, 06:36 PM

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Jesse ‘The Mind’ Defends Questions About Towers’ Telling Collapse on Hannity & Colmes and National Talk Radio Programs: "How can two planes bring down three buildings?"

Former Governor Jesse Ventura broke through enemy lines yesterday, exposing major inconsistencies with the official 9/11 story and holding his own against some of mainstream media’s most disingenuous hosts, including Fox News’ Sean Hannity and Opie & Anthony from XM Satellite radio.

Ventura’s notoriety as a fiercely independent upstart may have kept Hannity, for one, from playing his usual dirty tricks.

As former Governor, Ventura may be the highest level official in the United States to take 9/11 truth questions seriously, yet his enduring popularity and success as a celebrity, wrestler, Hollywood star, Navy SEAL and even Harvard professor make him more difficult to diffuse and ignore than celebrities who have previously come forward or Congressmen who have flirted with raising questions.

The Associated Press ran a story last week about Ventura’s 9/11 comments following an appearance on the Alex Jones Show that has now exploded into a frenzy of coverage as he makes the rounds to promote his book Don’t Start the Revolution Without Me, a title that may prove to be more than just rhetoric.

On Hannity & Colmes, Ventura touts his knowledge of (mere elementary) physics and his experience with explosives in the Navy Seals– if only to establish that the questions about the collapses of the Twin Towers and Building 7 are entirely credible and indeed deserve an explanation– rather than the usual ridicule.
Ventura?s 9/11 Questions Break Through Mainstream Media Dam | War On You

I heard him on the Howard Stern show and if the people of Minnesota had really known what a loon he was before electing him he'd have never seen the inside of the state capitol except as a guest or tourist.

As far as the collapse of the Twin Towers is concerned I will prove the principle of their collapse even though jet fuel burns at a relatively low temperature.

No one is saying that the temperatures on the beams was hot enough to melt the steel. Just soften it. And over the course of time the fires raged the steel beams and girders were exposed to that jet fuelled heat.

And what happens when you warm a metal? It loses it's strength.

When you break a wire clothes hanger in two pieces you bend the wire back and forth, forth and back and the more you bend it the more heat is generated. And the warmer it gets the less force you need to bend the wire until it finally breaks as a result of the pressure you built up and the heat you generated.

The heat from bending isn't hot enough to melt the metal, but it is enough to weaken the metal so that the pressure you exert is enough to cause the metal to fail and break.

That is what happened in the WWTC collapse.

The jet fuel burned for a while and softened the metal girders. It did not melt them, it weakened them. And when they became weak enough the weight of the floors exerted sufficient pressure to cause structural failure of the metal and they all fell atop the next one down and so on until they stood no more.

The metal was warmed long enough to become so weak that the beams and girders no longer had the strength to support the weight they had held for 30 years.

Period.

mikhail · 05-21-08, 06:50 PM

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I heard him on the Howard Stern show and if the people of Minnesota had really known what a loon he was before electing him he'd have never seen the inside of the state capitol except as a guest or tourist.

As far as the collapse of the Twin Towers is concerned I will prove the principle of their collapse even though jet fuel burns at a relatively low temperature.

No one is saying that the temperatures on the beams was hot enough to melt the steel. Just soften it. And over the course of time the fires raged the steel beams and girders were exposed to that jet fuelled heat.

And what happens when you warm a metal? It loses it's strength.

When you break a wire clothes hanger in two pieces you bend the wire back and forth, forth and back and the more you bend it the more heat is generated. And the warmer it gets the less force you need to bend the wire until it finally breaks as a result of the pressure you built up and the heat you generated.

The heat from bending isn't hot enough to melt the metal, but it is enough to weaken the metal so that the pressure you exert is enough to cause the metal to fail and break.

That is what happened in the WWTC collapse.

The jet fuel burned for a while and softened the metal girders. It did not melt them, it weakened them. And when they became weak enough the weight of the floors exerted sufficient pressure to cause structural failure of the metal and they all fell atop the next one down and so on until they stood no more.

The metal was warmed long enough to become so weak that the beams and girders no longer had the strength to support the weight they had held for 30 years.

Period.

I wouldnt try to reason with these idiots bhkad they went over the edge along time ago abit like when you see some crazy guy walking down the street you sjhoud ignore and pity them.