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Is chemotherapy here to kill us?

Pin dÁr

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Errrr... yes, of course!

If they kill up to 50% of the patients I would say so!
 
Chemotherapy has cured my leukemia.
 
Crovax said:
Well its more like 1.5%
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Nope, you wish!:

Chemotherapy warning as hundreds die from cancer fighting drugs


Patients should be warned about the dangers of chemotherapy after research showed that cancer drugs are killing up to 50 per cent of patients in some hospitals.

For the first time researchers looked at the numbers of cancer patients who died within 30 days of starting chemotherapy, which indicates that the medication is the cause of death, rather than the cancer.

Chemotherapy warning as hundreds die from cancer fighting drugs 
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zyzygy said:
Chemotherapy has cured my leukemia.
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well, you can't prove that here, so , even if it is true, it is a rather empty statement for here.

No one can check if you are right on this.
 
Pin dÁr said:
Nope, you wish!:
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"For the first time researchers looked at the numbers of cancer patients who died within 30 days of starting chemotherapy"

Not exactly the first time, heres a study from 2005

Mortality within 30 days of chemotherapy: a clinical governance benchmarking issue for oncology patients

Between April 2005 and September 2005, 1976 patients received chemotherapy with 161 deaths within 30 days of chemotherapy (8.1%). Of these, 124 deaths (77.0%) were due to disease progression.
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Pin dÁr said:
Errrr... yes, of course!

If they kill up to 50% of the patients I would say so!
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As the article you eventually linked clearly shows, the 50% death rate within 30 days of starting chemotherapy only applied in one Trust and has been recognised as evidence of poor practice in that Trust or small datasets skewing results (or possible a combination of both). The overall figures indicate a much, much lower death rate attributed to the chemotherapy itself in an area recognised for being extremely difficult to strike to correct balance.

Regardless, your statement about chemotherapy being “here to kill us” is disgusting rhetoric which says infinitely more about you than it does any cancer treatment.
 
HonestJoe said:
As the article you eventually
Regardless, your statement about chemotherapy being “here to kill us” is disgusting rhetoric which says infinitely more about you than it does any cancer treatment.
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Duh? why?

Firts of all, I think the real number of deaths is even underreported!

medical treatment in general is the third cause of death in the usa.

why makes ME then 'disgusting"? That is just an Ad Hominem.

wHY may I not state my opinion?

Any arguments?
 
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Pin dÁr said:
why makes ME then 'disgusting"? That is just an Ad Hominem.
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I never said you were disgusting, I said your statement was disgusting. It suggested (quite deliberately I’m sure) some form of intention in killing people with chemotherapy. The motives of the research in question is to learn from variations in medical practice and resultant outcomes to improve care in the future. You seem to be discrediting those motives and replacing them with your own (whatever they might be).

Pin dÁr said:
wHY may I not state my opinion?
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You can and did. I stated my opinion in response. I backed my opinion up with facts, experience and actually reading the relevant information.

Pin dÁr said:
Any arguments?
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Yes, in the section of my post that you (messily) edited out of your quote. If you care about the actual topic, feel free to actually address them.
 
HonestJoe said:
I never said you were disgusting, I said your statement was disgusting. It suggested (quite deliberately I’m sure) some form of intention in killing people with chemotherapy..
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Yes, that is EXACTLY what I ment! And still do!
I am not saying the doctors or nurses do this intentionally of course.
I really think their intent is good, at least in most cases.

The whole thing is more subtle then that.

But, again, yes, chemotherapy is here to kill people.

This sums it up nicely:

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Why do you find it disgusting if people write the truth?

Or are we here talking about that movie about 'handling the truth?", if you know what I mean.
 
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Why would well intentioned doctors and nurses collaborate with "state sponsored murder"? Why would the state want to murder people? It's too too silly.
 
Pin dÁr said:
Yes, that is EXACTLY what I ment! And still do!
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Well maybe you should state that more clearly, not link articles that actually suggest the exact opposite and at least attempt provide any evidence for your accusations of extensive criminal conspiracy.

Pin dÁr said:
This sums it up nicely:
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No it doesn’t. That’s just a picture with some words stuck on it. You probably didn’t even make it yourself. I could take that and insert the word “isn’t” to completely reverse the argument.

Pin dÁr said:
Why do you find it disgusting if people write the truth?
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I don’t. I find propagating harmful lies disgusting and I find making serious accusations with zero evidence disgusting. If you have any truth at all to offer us, feel free to start that phase of your posting history any time.
 
Pin dÁr said:
well, you can't prove that here, so , even if it is true, it is a rather empty statement for here.

No one can check if you are right on this.
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Well, if you get cancer I suggest you do without chemotherapy and see how it goes. Nobody is going to force you to take it, and it's your rear that's on the line.

Patients who receive chemotherapy survive a lot longer than those who don't, all things being equal. It depends a great deal on the type of cancer you have.

Those who avoid chemotherapy in favor of alternative treatments tend to do very poorly in comparison with conventional treatment, even in such malignancies as pancreatic cancer, which doesn't respond that well to conventional chemotherapy.

To say that chemotherapy isn't effective or that it "kills people" is very irresponsible and reckless.
 
Pin dÁr said:
Yes, that is EXACTLY what I ment! And still do!
I am not saying the doctors or nurses do this intentionally of course.
I really think their intent is good, at least in most cases.

The whole thing is more subtle then that.

But, again, yes, chemotherapy is here to kill people.

This sums it up nicely:

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Why do you find it disgusting if people write the truth?

Or are we here talking about that movie about 'handling the truth?", if you know what I mean.
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What truth? Wiki states Icke is a former journalist who now makes his living as a conspiracy theorist. A quick look at his site pretty much confirms that.

And our resident conspiracy theorist agrees. No surprise here.
 
Pin dÁr said:
Nope, you wish!:
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The Daily Telegraph=Britian's Answer to the National Enquirer.

Both my wife and I had cancer and went through chemo and we are still here.
You just can't look at one study and say "that the truth".
You have to look at dozens and dozensof studies throughout the years to gleam a glimpse of the truth.
You think you know what's going on but you haven't got a clue.
You'll believe any wacky conspiracy theory,won't you?
 
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jimbo said:
What truth? Wiki states Icke is a former journalist who now makes his living as a conspiracy theorist. A quick look at his site pretty much confirms that.

And our resident conspiracy theorist agrees. No surprise here.
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please look at the thread about how wikipedia lies, please
 
Manc Skipper said:
Why would well intentioned doctors and nurses collaborate with "state sponsored murder"? Why would the state want to murder people? It's too too silly.
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Because Pin Air has never done anything of significance so conpiracy theories is his only avenue to what he thinks is being relevent.
He's just another tinfoil hat attention whore wannabe.
Nothing to see here.
 
LowDown said:
Well, if you get cancer I suggest you do without chemotherapy and see how it goes.
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if I have 'cancer' , I have instructed my SO not to go to any doctor or hospital at all!
Hospitals and doctors are ONLY good for short time interventions, like crises, accidents etc.


Patients who receive chemotherapy survive a lot longer
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Really? Are you sure? who paid for the 'research'?


Those who avoid chemotherapy in favor of alternative treatments tend to do very poorly in comparison with conventional treatment, even in such malignancies as pancreatic cancer, which doesn't respond that well to conventional chemotherapy.
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But you can't prove that, am I right? I have seen and talked with people who were indeed healed by alternative methods!

To say that chemotherapy isn't effective or that it "kills people" is very irresponsible and reckless.
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Oh really? If is is true, what is there irresponsible about that? I reaaly think after years of research this being the case.

Same for medcines (pills). here to kill us too! and I am not saying that, Insiders in the pharmaceutical comapnies do!


How else do you explain that 'medicine' is the third cause of death in the USA?
 
jimbo said:
What truth? Wiki states Icke is a former journalist who now makes his living as a conspiracy theorist. A quick look at his site pretty much confirms that.

And our resident conspiracy theorist agrees. No surprise here.
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What work have you read of him? Or do you really use only two and third party references?
 
Manc Skipper said:
Why would well intentioned doctors and nurses collaborate with "state sponsored murder"? Why would the state want to murder people? It's too too silly.
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You haven't read my posting very well.
I have stated that he doctors and nurses have good intentions, but have no clue how they are being used.

state won't muder people? ahh well, some people, I hope you are being naive here, right?
 
HonestJoe said:
No it doesn’t. That’s just a picture with some words stuck on it. You probably didn’t even make it yourself. I could take that and insert the word “isn’t” to completely reverse the argument.

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well, that's a rather bizarre reaction! Well,yes of course it does sums it well up.
I am not saying it is proof or something. It is saying and mentioning how it is.
 
If "they" were looking for a method to "kill" people "they" would find a way that was much
easier to administer. Some people are on chemo for years! Case closed!
 
Pin dÁr said:
Errrr... yes, of course!

If they kill up to 50% of the patients I would say so!
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I agree. Alex Jones did a segment on this. The Obama nation has developped a drug that works 100% for treating cancer, buy they only use it on liberals and democrats. This is to ensure that Clinton grabs the nomination.
Meanwhile, conservatives & republicans are given another drug that slowly kills them. If you look at the demography of chemo deaths, you will see that most survivors are young people in blue states or immigrants. It's all part of the democrats ultimate plan to keep power.
Look it up :

www.infowars.com/Alex-Jones-Democrats-Chemo/
 
Pin dÁr said:
You haven't read my posting very well.
I have stated that he doctors and nurses have good intentions, but have no clue how they are being used.

state won't muder people? ahh well, some people, I hope you are being naive here, right?
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So two groups of highly educated professionals are too stupid to notice that their treatments are not only killing their patients, but designed to do so. OK.
 
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