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Saudi Press: U.S. Blew Up World Trade Center To Create ‘War On Terror’

jet57 said:
The Saudis are not our ally and never have been.
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So how would you describe or categorize the US / Saudi relationship then?
Relationship does seem to be cordial.
The Saudi's gave us all the free fuel for our military in Gulf 1.
The Saudi's were more than helpful and opened all the their new bases for our use.
The Saudi's were tolerant of the military female flight line officers during the conflict.
Right now, they aren't cutting back on on their oil production, glutting the world markets and keeping the price low (which is nice for us, but I think is more to be against Iran really).

I guess it'd be sufficient to say that more often than not the Saudi's and the US have similar interests, which is what it's all about on the international stage.
 
eohrnberger said:
So how would you describe or categorize the US / Saudi relationship then?
Relationship does seem to be cordial.
The Saudi's gave us all the free fuel for our military in Gulf 1.
The Saudi's were more than helpful and opened all the their new bases for our use.
The Saudi's were tolerant of the military female flight line officers during the conflict.
Right now, they aren't cutting back on on their oil production, glutting the world markets and keeping the price low (which is nice for us, but I think is more to be against Iran really).

I guess it'd be sufficient to say that more often than not the Saudi's and the US have similar interests, which is what it's all about on the international stage.
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Like two guys playing cards at the same table. Neither one likes each other, but they have to be there because of all the money.

That's all it's ever been.
 
eohrnberger said:
So how would you describe or categorize the US / Saudi relationship then?
Relationship does seem to be cordial.
The Saudi's gave us all the free fuel for our military in Gulf 1.
The Saudi's were more than helpful and opened all the their new bases for our use.
The Saudi's were tolerant of the military female flight line officers during the conflict.
Right now, they aren't cutting back on on their oil production, glutting the world markets and keeping the price low (which is nice for us, but I think is more to be against Iran really).

I guess it'd be sufficient to say that more often than not the Saudi's and the US have similar interests, which is what it's all about on the international stage.
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Greetings, Erik. :2wave:

:agree: I'd also like to add that due to the agreement that Kissinger made with the Saudis many years ago, we have had "favored nation" status for our dollar. Everyone else that bought Saudi oil had to first convert their currency into dollars to pay for it, which greatly benefitted our country's standard of living. This will be threatened if the IMF decides to go with the "basket of currencies" approach that is being requested by China and other countries around the globe because of our horrendous $19 trillion dollar debt! We will doubtless be included in that basket, but we will no longer be the kingpin on the world stage! :thumbdown:
 
eohrnberger said:
A sign that Obama and the congress have pissed off yet another long standing US ally?
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They believe we have betrayed them by signing a deal with Iran, their longtime arch enemy! In all fairness to the Saudis, they have honored their deal made so many years ago with Kissinger that granted us "favored nation" status by requiring everyone else in the world to convert their currencies into dollars in order to buy their oil. We benefited from that, as I have posted above!
 
SMTA said:
**** the Saudis and their press.

Who cares?
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Those who are trying to keep the official story alive and well are the ones who care. Depending upon how the question is phrased, for years most of those polled see the report from the 911 Commission to be mostly untrue. If the 28 pages are released to the public, if the Saudis spilled the beans on their role, things could spin apart rather quickly.
 
hmmm, the official news agency of a nation with a king who follows a dark age religion, not exactly a reliable source of information.

but, by all means, keep apologizing for violent muslims.
 
polgara said:
Greetings, Erik. :2wave:

:agree: I'd also like to add that due to the agreement that Kissinger made with the Saudis many years ago, we have had "favored nation" status for our dollar. Everyone else that bought Saudi oil had to first convert their currency into dollars to pay for it, which greatly benefitted our country's standard of living. This will be threatened if the IMF decides to go with the "basket of currencies" approach that is being requested by China and other countries around the globe because of our horrendous $19 trillion dollar debt! We will doubtless be included in that basket, but we will no longer be the kingpin on the world stage! :thumbdown:
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polgara said:
They believe we have betrayed them by signing a deal with Iran, their longtime arch enemy! In all fairness to the Saudis, they have honored their deal made so many years ago with Kissinger that granted us "favored nation" status by requiring everyone else in the world to convert their currencies into dollars in order to buy their oil. We benefited from that, as I have posted above!
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Greetings, Polgara. :2wave:

Quite right. Why does Obama believe in setting up Shia vs. Sunni with the US in the middle? When historically I believe the US has been on the Sunni side.
 
eohrnberger said:
A sign that Obama and the congress have pissed off yet another long standing US ally?
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A long standing ally of the US whose citizens, Trump, the guy you constantly defend, wants to barr from entering the US. Lmao, good grief. It's almost like you don't even care about being logical anymore.
 
Hatuey said:
A long standing ally of the US whose citizens, Trump, the guy you constantly defend, wants to barr from entering the US. Lmao, good grief. It's almost like you don't even care about being logical anymore.
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Righties constantly slam "the left" for not being forceful enough in our criticism of Muslims ... yet pillory Obama for kissing the KSA's ass just a little less open-mouthed than his predecessors did. Cognitive dissonance ftw!
 
Hatuey said:
A long standing ally of the US whose citizens, Trump, the guy you constantly defend, wants to barr from entering the US. Lmao, good grief. It's almost like you don't even care about being logical anymore.
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I'm not constantly defending Trump, nor am I a particularly ardent Trump supporter. Trump's going to do what Trump's going to do, and I may or may not agree with him.

One thing for sure, though, is that I'm fed up with the elitist career politicians, their elitist political agenda, and the establishment political parties, their current political positions and as they currently are. That doesn't make me a Trump supporter, it makes me far more so a part of the frustrated electorate.

On thing that Trump will be doing, and already has, is shaking up the status quo, which is something that nearly none of the other GOP candidates has been capable of doing, and in my estimation it's high time for this to happen.
 
eohrnberger said:
I'm not constantly defending Trump
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Lmao, I BEG to differ. I just did a quick search of you and the word Trump, it's nothing but a constant defense. Hell, you want Hillary and Sanders to go at each other so that Trump can win.

Guess what? If Trump wins - the citizens of our supposed close ally - will be barred from entering the US. How will that work for you in the future? Will you change your tune about Muslims from Saudi Arabia then? I'll bet diamonds you will. You're exposing your hackish opinions and it's not fooling anybody.

I didn't read the rest of the nonsense you posted.
 
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Hatuey said:
Lmao, I BEG to differ. I just did a quick search of you and the word Trump, it's nothing but a constant defense. Hell, you want Hillary and Sanders to go at each other so that Trump can win.
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You can beg all you want. Doesn't make it any more true, no matter how much you want it to be. Not criticizing someone isn't the same as supporting someone or defending someone.
Hatuey said:
Guess what? If Trump wins - the citizens of our supposed close ally - will be barred from entering the US. How will that work for you in the future? Will you change your tune about Muslims from Saudi Arabia then? I'll bet diamonds you will. You're exposing your hackish opinions and it's not fooling anybody.

I didn't read the rest of the nonsense you posted.
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Of course not. Far be it that you'd bother with reading someone else's opinion that's different than yours. Typical. Oh so typical.
 
Hatuey said:
A long standing ally of the US whose citizens, Trump, the guy you constantly defend, wants to barr from entering the US. Lmao, good grief. It's almost like you don't even care about being logical anymore.
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Why do you have to mis-characterize what Trump said.

You know he never said he wanted to ban Muslims from entering the country.

Are there many refugees from Saudi Arabia?
 
eohrnberger said:
So how would you describe or categorize the US / Saudi relationship then?
Relationship does seem to be cordial.
The Saudi's gave us all the free fuel for our military in Gulf 1.
The Saudi's were more than helpful and opened all the their new bases for our use.
The Saudi's were tolerant of the military female flight line officers during the conflict.
Right now, they aren't cutting back on on their oil production, glutting the world markets and keeping the price low (which is nice for us, but I think is more to be against Iran really).

I guess it'd be sufficient to say that more often than not the Saudi's and the US have similar interests, which is what it's all about on the international stage.
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I think that I should add here, that the Saudis are very good with that old Scottish Highland adage: "let's you and him fight".
 
eohrnberger said:
A sign that Obama and the congress have pissed off yet another long standing US ally?
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If you consider Saudi Arabia an ally of the United States, then you have more problems that can possibly be addressed on this forum. Of course I can see how a misogynistic, authoritarian, religion dominated country would appeal to you.
 
jet57 said:
I think that I should add here, that the Saudis are very good with that old Scottish Highland adage: "let's you and him fight".
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There is a bit of that in there.
Wiggen said:
If you consider Saudi Arabia an ally of the United States, then you have more problems that can possibly be addressed on this forum. Of course I can see how a misogynistic, authoritarian, religion dominated country would appeal to you.
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Seems like you are confusing a bunch of different things from all over the landscape here.

Allies are formed when there are common interests at stake. The US and Saudia Arabia have quite a few that intersect. Just because there are common interests doesn't mean complete and total support for all the other aspects of the other nation.

No, I have no desire to live in a misogynistic, authoritarian, religion dominated country. Such a country does not have any appeal to me. I have no idea where you get this idea from. Perhaps you've just pulled it out of your ass?

Specific to misogynistic, authoritarian, religion dominated country, I'm mature enough to allow Saudia Arabia to chart it's own course on that count.
 
No individual citizens acting without government support or funding should not implicate their government or nation.

Now of course there is such a confusing myriad of data on 9 - 11 attacks i am not entirely clear all on who was involved - planned and funded with this attack and w know we our government ignored warnings of an imminent attack on the WTC.

Another example would be ISIL - they have attracted ne'er-do-wells from all different countries to join their crazy drug fueled criminal terror army --- so does the mean all the nation governments those citizens were from should be sued for ISIL attacks - no.
 
OrphanSlug said:
:popcorn2:

(Odds of this ending up in Conspiracy Theories?... 3:1, worse or better?)
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considering that the OP is a well known conspiracy theorist banned on numerous boards
for this kind of stuff then yea conspiracy forum 10:1
 
Mason66 said:
I don't know where they got that he was talking about all Muslims.

He was talking about the refugees that Obama wanted to bring in with no background checks.

By the way, that article didn't have Trumps actual words, just what other people thought he said.
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Nice spin, but his words speak for themselves. I saw the pompous asshole give the speech on television. You're spinning like crazy. Be careful, you'll wind up dizzy...oh wait, never mind.
 
eohrnberger said:
There is a bit of that in there.


Seems like you are confusing a bunch of different things from all over the landscape here.

Allies are formed when there are common interests at stake. The US and Saudia Arabia have quite a few that intersect. Just because there are common interests doesn't mean complete and total support for all the other aspects of the other nation.

No, I have no desire to live in a misogynistic, authoritarian, religion dominated country. Such a country does not have any appeal to me. I have no idea where you get this idea from. Perhaps you've just pulled it out of your ass?

Specific to misogynistic, authoritarian, religion dominated country, I'm mature enough to allow Saudia Arabia to chart it's own course on that count.
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Come now, you're being far too modest. Your position on every right wing, authoritarian issue that comes up on this forum is well known. The fact that you're such an admirer of Saudi Arabia to the extent that you side with them against the families of the 9/11 victims speaks for itself. Saudi Arabia does nothing for us other than sell us oil at outrageous prices while funding Islamic terrorists all over the world. But perhaps that's what you admire about them.

One of hundreds of articles. Not that I expect you to pay any attention to them.

How Saudi Wahhabism Is the Fountainhead of Islamist Terrorism

If you don't like this source, there's a lot more.
 
Wiggen said:
Come now, you're being far too modest. Your position on every right wing, authoritarian issue that comes up on this forum is well known.
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Cool story bro. Too bad it has no foundation in reality.

Wiggen said:
The fact that you're such an admirer of Saudi Arabia
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Quote my post where I said that.
Wiggen said:
to the extent that you side with them against the families of the 9/11 victims speaks for itself.
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Again. Quote my post where I said that as well.
Wiggen said:
Saudi Arabia does nothing for us other than sell us oil at outrageous prices while funding Islamic terrorists all over the world.
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Last I heard they sell their oil at the going world market price.
Wiggen said:
But perhaps that's what you admire about them.

One of hundreds of articles. Not that I expect you to pay any attention to them.

How Saudi Wahhabism Is the Fountainhead of Islamist Terrorism

If you don't like this source, there's a lot more.
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What I've posted, which is consistent with reality, is that the Saudi Royal family and the Saudi government are against Wahhabism (they keep moderating social policy - women can now work if they want to for example), I believe that they've prosecuted and even executed Wahhabi leaders, and the security forces have had gun battles with them. The road to continued reforms and moderation of social policy is going to be a long hard road for the country's leaders, but that is the path they have chosen for themselves, and it is their best judgement at what rate these reforms can and should be introduced. It is, after all, their country and not ours.

They have their religious extremist nut jobs, same as we do here, an example of which would be the Westboro Baptist Church.

Lastly, if you can possibly stop assigning me positions what I've not taken, it may make for a better and more honest discussion.
 
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