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Top German Journalist Admits Mainstream Media Is Completely Fake: "We All Lie For The

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TheGoverness said:
Information is not being warped. The facts will always remain, regardless of whether or not the media makes a fluff piece or not. At most, Corporations like to express 'doubt' about certain subjects, most notably global warming.
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Information can be bias, truthful or varying shades of lies. Who distributes information to the public- the media. How do people form political opinions- the media.
 
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PakPuk said:
Information can be bias, truthful or varying shades of lies. Who distributes information to the public- the media. How do people form political opinions- the media.
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No, people form political opinions based on their personal beliefs and values.

The media is NOT the sole arbiter of distributing information. I get my information from numerous online sources, and none of them are considered 'mainstream'.
 
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TheGoverness said:
No, people form political opinions based on their personal beliefs and values.

The media is NOT the sole arbiter of distributing information. I get my information from numerous online sources, and none of them are considered 'mainstream'.
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Personal beliefs and values which are formed through the media and the environment you grow up in. Those opinions can only be formed through information.

Your second sentence is completely true and that is what the establishment is so scared of. They no longer completely control the information which the public receives and we are seeing that impact politically all over the world.
 
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PakPuk said:
Personal beliefs and values which are formed through the media and the environment you grow up in. Those opinions can only be formed through information.

Your second sentence is completely true and that is what the establishment is so scared of. They no longer control the information which the public receives and we are seeing that impact politically all over the world.
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I'm sorry but your wrong. The media has no influence on what people choose to believe, people believe what they want for themselves. And they can find their own information without the media feeding garbage to them. Many people have found numerous credible sources for information rather than the media.
 
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TheGoverness said:
I'm sorry but your wrong. The media has no influence on what people choose to believe, people believe what they want for themselves. And they can find their own information without the media feeding garbage to them. Many people have found numerous credible sources for information rather than the media.
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Yet people need information to believe just like how Christians need information from the bible to believe. An increasing number of people are finding non mainstream sources of information which is what the establishment dislike because their regular means of using the mainstream media for propaganda purposes is becoming less effective and sometimes it actually does the opposite of what the establishment wants because the media is so disliked and discredited it is almost an endorsement for whatever they are trying to stop.
 
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PakPuk said:
I was not actually trying to prove anything just explain the possibilities that exist. Saying claims could be true is not proving something.
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Your OP very clearly stated that it was "fact" you were attempting to portray, your statements weren't open to any possibility in their context.

It's better to either disavow the conspiracy theorist, or cease to post when you've got something wrong, but trying to backpedal when you were very clear, is not wise.
 
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German guy said:
From "Russia Today"? Seriously?!

Udo Ulfkotte is a grade A conspiracy theory crackpot. The tinfoil hat variety. He should better take his meds.

If "The X-Files" was a German show, he'd get a major role. He's not more than a useful idiot for Putin's totalitarian propaganda -- and the times when he was a "top jounalists" are gone for decades.
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Well, I have to ask....is it true that in 1988, Iraq used German made mustard gas on the Kurds at the Iraq Iran border? If it is, then is it possible that information was suppressed by the German media so it could gain support for the US march to war on Iraq?

It seems like the reporter in the video is trying to prevent war by exposing the media that profits from fomenting fear and beating the drums of war. Why is that such a bad thing?
 
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Jetboogieman said:
Your OP very clearly stated that it was "fact" you were attempting to portray, your statements weren't open to any possibility in their context.

It's better to either disavow the conspiracy theorist, or cease to post when you've got something wrong, but trying to backpedal when you were very clear, is not wise.
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The OP was posted from the article, none of my personal beliefs were posted in the OP.
 
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PakPuk said:
Have you listened to what he said instead of burying your head in the sand?


So is what he is saying a lie then?
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What people say holds almost no meaning these days, what with the internet and how it allows anyone to say anything.

What matters is whether they have evidence that can back up what they say.
 
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PakPuk said:
Why is he a 'moron'? Maybe if you watched the video instead of closing your mind and spouting your usual bias you might know that he cited examples of when journalists were fired for refusing orders. Ulfkotte was a journalist for over a decade, so tell me of your experience in journalism then, can you cite examples that this has not happened?
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Unless a person is completely indispensable to a company pretty much anyone and everyone would get fired for refusing orders, no matter the job. You don't need experience in journalism to experience that.
 
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PakPuk said:
I did not ask you if this was true I said could it be true, I again highlight the word could.
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No, it could not be true. For the simple fact that if what the article claimed was true it would require hundreds, if not thousands of people to know about it. And keeping a secret among that many people is like trying to find one specific needle in a whole universe. An impossibility for all intents and purposes.
 
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Kal'Stang said:
No, it could not be true. For the simple fact that if what the article claimed was true it would require hundreds, if not thousands of people to know about it. And keeping a secret among that many people is like trying to find one specific needle in a whole universe. An impossibility for all intents and purposes.
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I agree. These conspiracies tend to be quite unreasonable.
 
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PakPuk said:
Or just someone trying to get another person to admit something could be true.
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I could be one of the Lizard People. Would you agree with that without any credible evidence?
 
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PakPuk said:
With the increasing propaganda wars, we thought a reminder of just how naive many Westerners are when it comes to their news-feed. As Arjun Walia, of GlobalResearch.ca, notes, Dr. Ulfkotte went on public television stating that he was forced to publish the works of intelligence agents under his own name, also adding that noncompliance with these orders would result in him losing his job.

He recently made an appearance on RT news to share these facts:

I’ve been a journalist for about 25 years, and I was educated to lie, to betray, and not to tell the truth to the public.

But seeing right now within the last months how the German and American media tries to bring war to the people in Europe, to bring war to Russia — this is a point of no return and I’m going to stand up and say it is not right what I have done in the past, to manipulate people, to make propaganda against Russia, and it is not right what my colleagues do and have done in the past because they are bribed to betray the people, not only in Germany, all over Europe.



Top German Journalist Admits Mainstream Media Is Completely Fake: "We All Lie For The CIA" | Zero Hedge
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Though influence on German public media is usually more subtle and complex, than here described, there have been rather viable removals of top personnel over differences on political issues with senior politicians. But normally the homogenization is quietly efficient and nearly invisible.
 
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PakPuk said:
So just call him crazy and a lunatic? Is that all you have to offer?
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Yes, that's all he has to offer. It is the first sign of cognitive dissonance. A person in denial will go to great lengths to avoid listening to information that contradicts his world view.

I've heard this German journalist before. What he says is consistent with what Jesse Ventura and others have said--the CIA is very influential in what is found in today's mainstream media. Yes, there is a war on for our minds, and for the most part it has been decided already.
 
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Jetboogieman said:
Your OP very clearly stated that it was "fact" you were attempting to portray, your statements weren't open to any possibility in their context.

It's better to either disavow the conspiracy theorist, or cease to post when you've got something wrong, but trying to backpedal when you were very clear, is not wise.
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IMO, putting one's cognitive dissonance on public display is not wise either.
 
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TheGoverness said:
And I said that I don't believe it could be true, because once again, the man has no CREDIBLE evidence to back up his claim.
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Of course you don't believe it could be true. In all probability you are a creature of the mainstream media, as am I, up to a point.

The mainstream media does not talk about how it is influenced or controlled by the CIA, therefore we don't think about it.

Only whistleblowers, who are portrayed by the mainstream media as criminals, talk about these things, and then the government prosecutes them and sends them to prison.
 
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