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My Conspiracy Theory.

Capitalism and Socialism in their infancy are not bad notions.
Human nature is to take things to extremes (especially if it benefits the individual).
We will never see a "perfect system" because humans will always put their own agenda (even if this agenda is what they think is right for other people) before other's.

I don't think its conspiracy...its simple human nature.

Much like my own "conspiracy theory". It is more profitable to cure symptoms of diseases than to cure diseases.
Again. Human nature lends itself to helping yourself before others.

Now about Cthulhu...joke that...

Edit: Oh. And I think you will find Climate Change is profitable to someone as well...
 
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Cisero said:
Someone has seen the Big Short recently :roll:
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No, I have not seen it yet. But I will sooner ok later. But I did watch an 8hr video series by economist Richard Wolf on the crash.
 
Abbazorkzog said:
Anything.
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Easy there Killer.

Here are people I like: Micheal Hudson, Richard Wolf, Michelle Alexander, Chris Hedges, Sheldon Wolin, The Renegade Economist, Thom Hartman, Mike Papantonio (America's Lawyer) Chomsky, Abby Martin, Jesse Ventura, Oliver Stone, Cornell West, Thomas Drake, Paul Jay, Howard Zinn, Ray Mcgovern, John Ralston Saul, Naomi Klein, Bob Sheer, Ralph Nader & others. theses are just off the top of my head. Most if not all of these people have wrote more than one book. Just search their names for the titles. Also countless video's on Youtube.

Here are some of the weekly or daily shows I like: Young Turks, Ring of Fire, Thom Hartman Show, Days of revolt, The Empire Files, The Real News, RT News, many more.

To many web sites to list : But Truthdig: Drilling Beneath the Headlines is one of the best. Its run by Bob Sheer, the guy that created Ramparts Magazine

Please let me know if you need anything else.
 
Quag said:
Mental note kjwins knows about the bunkers, we will have to fill them in and build new ones
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OH BOY here we go, a wise guy.
 
Fledermaus said:
How old are you?

Do you remember smog days so bad in the LA basin schools were let out and it hurt to breath? Yes or no?
How Los Angeles Began to Put its Smoggy Days Behind | Laws That Shaped LA | Departures Columns | KCET

And vioxx?

80,000,000 or so used the drug... Under long-term, high-dosage use there were side effects.

Wiki:

In addition to its own studies, on September 23, 2004, Merck apparently received information about new research by the FDA that supported previous findings of increased risk of heart attack among rofecoxib users (Grassley, 2004). FDA analysts estimated that Vioxx caused between 88,000 and 139,000 heart attacks, 30 to 40 percent of which were probably fatal, in the five years the drug was on the market

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
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So there is no more air pollution in LA? What about FLINT MI, the mine, Oil spills, the trains that blow up once a mouth, Tap water that lights on fire, those don't count.

Medical professionals claim that the drug’s manufacturer not only worked to conceal the risks associated with Vioxx but also schemed with federal drug regulators to keep them under wraps for as long as possible. Even though the drug was recalled in 2004, issues regarding the drug’s dangers continue today. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
 
Ntharotep said:
Capitalism and Socialism in their infancy are not bad notions.
Human nature is to take things to extremes (especially if it benefits the individual).
We will never see a "perfect system" because humans will always put their own agenda (even if this agenda is what they think is right for other people) before other's.

I don't think its conspiracy...its simple human nature.

Much like my own "conspiracy theory". It is more profitable to cure symptoms of diseases than to cure diseases.
Again. Human nature lends itself to helping yourself before others.

Now about Cthulhu...joke that...

Edit: Oh. And I think you will find Climate Change is profitable to someone as well...
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Yeah we can also work together, have compassion, & care about what happens to the world that gives us life.

Climate Change is profitable, that's capitalism. But not as profitable as fossil fuels.
 
kjwins said:
There is a tiny group of rich people that control our government. Also known as the 1/10 of the 1%. They push neoliberalism & globalization. Their goal is to collect as much wealth as they can & turn 75 to 80 % of the worlds population into surfs. Most every law passed by our government is designed to make them more wealthy or to keep the wealth they have. They own most of the News Papers & all of the mainstream media. Most of our politicians & leaders. Wall St, Major Corporations, just about everything.

New World Order? Maybe. But I don't think their that organized. More than likely a group of rich psychopaths with a similar mind set. Ever notice how people with a ton of money are a bit goofy. Like they don't live in the real world, and they don't.

Most if not all of this group knows something is coming. Be it revolution, Climate Change, nuclear war or maybe the government growing a set of balls & start doing the will of the people.

Me personally. I think they know Climate Change is real, or their corporations and industry are polluting the environment so bad. they know it will not be able to sustain a growing population. This will lead to a whole lot of people becoming desperate & chaos will become the norm everywhere.

So what is to become of this group & their wealth. Well their building massive bunkers underground. Full of everything they need to keep their life style. Heavily guarded & safe from whatever disaster is happening on the surface. So while we all suffer & maybe die. There lives won't change one bit.

Just a theory, don't know if I should write a book, or make a movie. LOL
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Well...at least you got the title right. :)
 
kjwins said:
So there is no more air pollution in LA? What about FLINT MI, the mine, Oil spills, the trains that blow up once a mouth, Tap water that lights on fire, those don't count.

Medical professionals claim that the drug’s manufacturer not only worked to conceal the risks associated with Vioxx but also schemed with federal drug regulators to keep them under wraps for as long as possible. Even though the drug was recalled in 2004, issues regarding the drug’s dangers continue today. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
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Where did I state NO MORE air pollution in LA?

Oh, that's right. I didn't.

Are you going to start the new years stawmanning your arguments?

And the other things are recent developments... That are being addressed.

And "schemed with federal drug regulators to keep them under wraps"? Is this more hyperbole?

80,000,000 used the drug. How many serious side effects? 88,000-139,000

0.0011% to 0.0017% rate if my math is correct. How big should the pre release studys have been to catch that?
 
Fledermaus said:
Where did I state NO MORE air pollution in LA?

Oh, that's right. I didn't.

Are you going to start the new years stawmanning your arguments?

And the other things are recent developments... That are being addressed.

And "schemed with federal drug regulators to keep them under wraps"? Is this more hyperbole?

80,000,000 used the drug. How many serious side effects? 88,000-139,000

0.0011% to 0.0017% rate if my math is correct. How big should the pre release studys have been to catch that?
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Glad you see my point, there is still air pollution.

What do you mean by that?

We have been fracking in this country a long time. The Flint river was polluted by the Auto Factories that were once there. The state of Michigan took Flint off of Detroit Water to save money & told the people it was safe to drink. Were was the EPA then. Its National News & the people of Flint still do not have clean water. The mine was abandon years ago, & was leaking into the Colorado river.

Not hyperbole its a fact, & just one example. The FDA can be bought, just like anyone else.
 
kjwins said:
Glad you see my point, there is still air pollution.
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And? You have a point?

What would air pollution be without the EPA?

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I suspect you read none of what was presented.

I also suspect you are not old enough to remember the way LA used to be.

So, how do the EPA laws benefit the elite?

kjwins said:
What do you mean by that?
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Please don't play dumb.

kjwins said:
We have been fracking in this country a long time.
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IIRC it only took off in the last ten years....

Correct me if I am wrong.

How do the EPA laws benefit the elite?

kjwins said:
The Flint river was polluted by the Auto Factories that were once there.
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But is wasn't polluted by the EPA.

How do the EPA laws benefit the elite?

kjwins said:
The state of Michigan took Flint off of Detroit Water to save money & told the people it was safe to drink.
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And?

How do the EPA laws benefit the elite?

kjwins said:
Were was the EPA then. Its National News & the people of Flint still do not have clean water. The mine was abandon years ago, & was leaking into the Colorado river.
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The EPA is not perfect.

How do the EPA laws benefit the elite?

kjwins said:
Not hyperbole its a fact, & just one example. The FDA can be bought, just like anyone else.
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Ahhhhhhhhhhh

More accusations.....



How do the EPA laws benefit the elite?
 
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kjwins said:
We have been fracking in this country a long time. The Flint river was polluted by the Auto Factories that were once there. The state of Michigan took Flint off of Detroit Water to save money & told the people it was safe to drink. Were was the EPA then. Its National News & the people of Flint still do not have clean water. The mine was abandon years ago, & was leaking into the Colorado river. .
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FLINT, MI -- Flint's water crisis is getting a review by the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency, and the results are expected to be known by the end of this week.

EPA Regional Administrator Susan Hedman said in a letter today, Nov. 3, to U.S. Rep Dan Kildee, D-Flint, that she has been asked by the head of the EPA to carry out the review that the congressman requested last month.

The EPA will conduct a "full review of actions taken to address drinking water quality issues in Flint," the letter says.

Kildee's request asked at a minimum for a full review of EPA's oversight of state programs assuring safe drinking water in Flint.

Both Kildee and state Senate Minority Leader Jim Ananich, D-Flint, requested the reviews in separate letters to Gina McCarthy, administrator of the EPA, on Oct. 21.

"In order to restore confidence, and to ensure that these failures never happen again, I believe that the EPA needs to conduct a thorough investigation into the causes of the water problems in Flint," Kildee wrote.

Kildee also requested that the agency answer questions, including whether the EPA was aware that the Michigan Department of Environmental Quality was enforcing the wrong guidelines for water quality in Flint and whether the EPA notified MDEQ that the city should have treated water from the Flint River to make it less corrosive.
U.S. EPA will conduct 'full review' of Flint water crisis | MLive.com
 
So, we have an interesting conundrum.



If the EPA laws passed benefited the elite, why are they benefiting by bypassing said laws?


If the EPA laws passed benefited the elite, why is the EPA agency "bought" ?
 
Fledermaus said:
And? You have a point?

What would air pollution be without the EPA?

I suspect you read none of what was presented.

I also suspect you are not old enough to remember the way LA used to be.

So, how do the EPA laws benefit the elite?



Please don't play dumb.



IIRC it only took off in the last ten years....

Correct me if I am wrong.

How do the EPA laws benefit the elite?



But is wasn't polluted by the EPA.

How do the EPA laws benefit the elite?



And?

How do the EPA laws benefit the elite?



The EPA is not perfect.

How do the EPA laws benefit the elite?



Ahhhhhhhhhhh

More accusations.....



How do the EPA laws benefit the elite?
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Are companies owned by the elite, not allowed to spew crap in the air, leave chemicals in the ground that pollute drinking water, dump in rivers, leave mines full of toxins & destroy the planet which gives us life? Nor do they pay to clean it up & if they are fined. The fines are a joke. True or Not?
 
kjwins said:
Are companies owned by the elite, not allowed to spew crap in the air, leave chemicals in the ground that pollute drinking water, dump in rivers, leave mines full of toxins & destroy the planet which gives us life? Nor do they pay to clean it up & if they are fined. The fines are a joke. True or Not?
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Either yes or no. Or drastically oversimplifying complicated issues.
 
Fledermaus said:
So, we have an interesting conundrum.



If the EPA laws passed benefited the elite, why are they benefiting by bypassing said laws?


If the EPA laws passed benefited the elite, why is the EPA agency "bought" ?
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Dude people have been using this water for months. They were told it was safe. No test were ever done. Now that its big News, they are going to do something about it. What a ****ing joke. A little late don't you think.
 
kjwins said:
Dude people have been using this water for months. They were told it was safe. No test were ever done. Now that its big News, they are going to do something about it. What a ****ing joke. A little late don't you think.
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What are dude people? An alien race?
 
kjwins said:
Are companies owned by the elite, not allowed to spew crap in the air, leave chemicals in the ground that pollute drinking water, dump in rivers, leave mines full of toxins & destroy the planet which gives us life? Nor do they pay to clean it up & if they are fined. The fines are a joke. True or Not?
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So when a company VIOLATES A LAW they are benefiting from the law they VIOLATED?

So if I speed down the freeway at 100+ mph I am benefiting from the 55MPH speed limit,,,,
 
kjwins said:
Dude people have been using this water for months. They were told it was safe. No test were ever done. Now that its big News, they are going to do something about it. What a ****ing joke. A little late don't you think.
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WHO didn't make sure the standards were correct?

Read post #38 before responding.


And how do the EPA laws benefit the elite?
 
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