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News Flash: Hillary might be done

calamity said:
No. But this **** sure is interesting.

Do you believe Trump will get the nomination? I believe Hillary will.
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Yeah, this **** is a bit entertaining, interesting, in a passively interested sort of way.
If I miss it on the news cast, I'm not backing up the DVR to make sure I see it.

I'm not predicting anything, and I'm not particularly emotionally invested in any of the candidates that are in the running at present.
From my view, it's way too early for any of that.

The Dems need to over come Hillary's closet full of skeletons, and her high negatives.

The GOPs need to still sort out their overly large field, and, depending on the candidates that remain, consolidate electorate's support to one perhaps two.

Guess we'll see how all this turns out. That part is inevitable.
 
eohrnberger said:
Yeah, this **** is a bit entertaining, interesting, in a passively interested sort of way.
If I miss it on the news cast, I'm not backing up the DVR to make sure I see it.

I'm not predicting anything, and I'm not particularly emotionally invested in any of the candidates that are in the running at present.
From my view, it's way too early for any of that.

The Dems need to over come Hillary's closet full of skeletons, and her high negatives.

The GOPs need to still sort out their overly large field, and, depending on the candidates that remain, consolidate electorate's support to one perhaps two.

Guess we'll see how all this turns out. That part is inevitable.
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I'm not invested at all. I'll survive no matter who wins. But, I love the political theater.
 
calamity said:
I'm not invested at all. I'll survive no matter who wins. But, I love the political theater.
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"political theater" Yeah, that's a very good name for it.

I was about to say that it's 'free' entertainment, but that's not correct. In fact, all the tax payers are paying dearly for all this (one way or another).
 
eohrnberger said:
"political theater" Yeah, that's a very good name for it.

I was about to say that it's 'free' entertainment, but that's not correct. In fact, all the tax payers are paying dearly for all this (one way or another).
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One of my nieces who just graduated Law School from U of M moved to DC to join one of the 503C orgs. Lots of money to be made playing kingmaker. She's still a puppy. But, the law degree seems to be the basic requirement to get on a good team.
 
calamity said:
One of my nieces who just graduated Law School from U of M moved to DC to join one of the 503C orgs. Lots of money to be made playing kingmaker. She's still a puppy. But, the law degree seems to be the basic requirement to get on a good team.
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Harrruummpphh. More overhead.

But still, good for her. Perhaps she'll come back to the middle of America some time in the future, where it's far more normal than the fringe coasts.
 
eohrnberger said:
No one has nominated anyone at this point. The first votes haven't even been cast yet. All we have is polling information at this point.
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The first public polling hasnt occured. But it has long been said that Hillary already has a committment from over half the party superdelegates.

"Months before the presidential primary, Democratic front-runner Hillary Clinton has received public support from more than half of her party's insiders, who will cast votes at their national convention in July, according to a report from the Associated Press.

The AP contacted each of the 712 superdelegates to ask which candidate they plan to vote for at the Democratic National Convention (DNC) next summer. More than 80 percent of all the superdelegates responded, and in the past two weeks Clinton solidified support from 359 of them, according to the AP."
http://www.newsweek.com/half-superdelegates-support-hillary-clinton-393776

Thats one of the complaints of Sanders and before he dropped out, O' Malley. They have long felt they are playing against a stacked deck.
 
shrubnose said:
Posts that are total bull**** reflect on the person that posts them.

:lol:

Wait and see who wins the next election.
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It seems the opposition has now admitted that the only way Hillary won't be President is if SHE DIES. It more accurate than most of their fantasies at least.:lol:
 
I was wrong.

It took the Breitbart piece as that they had new sources (after all this story has been around for almost two years) but it was a rehash.

Which raises the question of just WTF is Biden doing talking like this? It makes Hillary look bad, like he is looking at her and saying "damn, I could have beaten her!".

I really do think Hillary has major health issues, and that she would be a very risky pick for that reason. Trump looks like he has plenty of vigour, and he is well known for being a workaholic who puts in long days and rarely takes a day off so I dont have the same concerns about him.
 
VanceMack said:
The first public polling hasnt occured. But it has long been said that Hillary already has a committment from over half the party superdelegates.

"Months before the presidential primary, Democratic front-runner Hillary Clinton has received public support from more than half of her party's insiders, who will cast votes at their national convention in July, according to a report from the Associated Press.

The AP contacted each of the 712 superdelegates to ask which candidate they plan to vote for at the Democratic National Convention (DNC) next summer. More than 80 percent of all the superdelegates responded, and in the past two weeks Clinton solidified support from 359 of them, according to the AP."
http://www.newsweek.com/half-superdelegates-support-hillary-clinton-393776

Thats one of the complaints of Sanders and before he dropped out, O' Malley. They have long felt they are playing against a stacked deck.
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OK. So it seems that the Democrats are only offering up what appears to be a choice to their constituents, rather than a real choice.

The Bern supporters must just feel so, so disenfranchised.
 
eohrnberger said:
OK. So it seems that the Democrats are only offering up what appears to be a choice to their constituents, rather than a real choice.

The Bern supporters must just feel so, so disenfranchised.
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A real problem for the D's if they face Trump, because Trump will get a lot of former Sanders supporters. The more pissed off they are with the D's the more he gets, and Sanders standing next to Hillary day after day saying 'VOTE FOR HILLARY!" will not prevent it.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
A real problem for the D's if they face Trump, because Trump will get a lot of former Sanders supporters. The more pissed off they are with the D's the more he gets, and Sanders standing next to Hillary day after day saying 'VOTE FOR HILLARY!" will not prevent it.
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Isn't this premise based on assumption that the Sanders supporters are aware of, and recognize, the deck being stacked so heavily in Hillary's favor?
Not so sure that this is an assumption that's safe to make. They may very well be of the opinion, 'Better Hillary than a GOP', couldn't they?
 
eohrnberger said:
Isn't this premise based on assumption that the Sanders supporters are aware of, and recognize, the deck being stacked so heavily in Hillary's favor?
Not so sure that this is an assumption that's safe to make. They may very well be of the opinion, 'Better Hillary than a GOP', couldn't they?
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They know, and I gather from the sanders supporters I know that many are not to happy that Sanders will stand besides and support both the party and Hillary almost no matter what. People have their own eyes and their own brains, and with the latent hostility towards the establishment that exists in America today the D party is playing with fire by screwing Sanders the way they are. Sure they know that Sanders will take it in the rear like altar boy, but a lot of his supporters will not.

But then again what can one expect from a party that agrees to run a person not currently the president unopposed? They were never interested in doing right by the American people, with supporting principles of democracy, a big one being that the people must be given choices.
 
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Hawkeye10 said:
A real problem for the D's if they face Trump, because Trump will get a lot of former Sanders supporters. The more pissed off they are with the D's the more he gets, and Sanders standing next to Hillary day after day saying 'VOTE FOR HILLARY!" will not prevent it.
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Sanders supporters aren't going to vote for Trump. That makes no sense. It's like in 2008 when the GOp thought pissed off Hillary voters would vote for McCain because of Sarah. lol...how'd that work for ya?
 
Hawkeye10 said:
But then again what can one expect from a party that agrees to run a person not currently the president unopposed? They were never interested in doing right by the American people, with supporting principles of democracy, a big one being that the people must be given choices.
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The last party to do this was the Republicans in 2000 with a dud, Bush Jr. The anointed heir.

The people have choices. It's not up to the parties to carry democracy. Anyone can run for President. Anyone can start a party. Every election folks complain about choices...just about every complainer could have become politically involved.

I like the choice this time around. Trump and Clinton. Will be fun to watch.
 
Iamjesus said:
The last party to do this was the Republicans in 2000 with a dud, Bush Jr. The anointed heir.

The people have choices. It's not up for to the parties to carry democracy. Anyone can run for President. Anyone can start a party. Every election folks complain about choices...just about every complainer could have become politically involved.

I Kline the choice this time around. Trump and Clinton. Will be fun to watch.
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The lack of objection to the anti democracy acts of the current parties is distressing to be sure.

BTW: my position is that both parties are hopelessly corrupt and incompetent, and should be killed. They seem to be getting closer to this result each cycle.
 
eohrnberger said:
OK. So it seems that the Democrats are only offering up what appears to be a choice to their constituents, rather than a real choice.

The Bern supporters must just feel so, so disenfranchised.
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Maybe...but probably not yet. That will come if Hilz wins the nomination despite the overwhelming popularity of the Bern.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
The lack of objection to the anti democracy acts of the current parties is distressing to be sure.

BTW: my position is that both parties are hopelessly corrupt and incompetent, and should be killed. They seem to be getting closer to this result each cycle.
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They have way less control of than 25 years ago...50 or a hundred.

Politics is much cleaner and open.
 
calamity said:
Sanders supporters aren't going to vote for Trump. That makes no sense. It's like in 2008 when the GOp thought pissed off Hillary voters would vote for McCain because of Sarah. lol...how'd that work for ya?
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No....they won't vote for Trump. There really isn't a GOP candidate they would vote for. But they might not vote. Or they might vote for Johnson or Stein if they do vote.
 
VanceMack said:
No....they won't vote for Trump. There really isn't a GOP candidate they would vote for. But they might not vote. Or they might vote for Johnson or Stein if they do vote.
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I see them staying home. That's very likely. But, I suspect so too will Trump supporters if Rubio or Cruz are nominated.
 
calamity said:
I see them staying home. That's very likely. But, I suspect so too will Trump supporters if Rubio or Cruz are nominated.
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Every election there are supporters on both sides who pout and threaten to take their ball home if their guy doesn't win.

Then the election starts and the focus is on the two candidates.
 
I said before that maybe Hillary knows something is about to come out that'll destroy her campaign and she's setting things up so she can withdraw gracefully and give herself an alibi. I considered that just speculation, but now I read this...

Smoking Gun: Email Suggests Hillary Broke Law | LifeZette

...and I'm not so sure it's speculation anymore.
 
shrubnose said:
Nixon is dead and buried, He did more good for the USA than any Bush did.

Vote for whoever you like.
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Yes, the Vietnam War did wonders for the States. The good old days!
 
Iamjesus said:
Blah, blah....all speculation.

What do I observe? Hillary seems a bit listless and not all that vigorous.

At first I thought her low profile was just not rocking the boat. The party has given her the nomination. Save pronouncements, etc. for the presidential campaign.

However, with the rise of Trump she should be more proactive at cutting him off at the pass. She isn't doing this. A bit puzzling. She has no 'oomph'. Her responses to questions seem like a couple of minutes of concerted effort as if she has gathered up the strength, makes her point, smiles and then leaves. No bantering back and forth, shaking a thousand hands, etc. All a bit overly controlled. This isn't the feisty Hillary who who dishes out spontaneous barbs at opponents.

Then again perhaps we just read too much into it and cherry pick signs to confirm her poor health. I recall the same comments about Reagan and love him or hate him, no lack of leadership.
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If she is this lackluster about campaigning now what can be expected when real effort is required? On the other hand, with her current polling lead over her demorat rivals she need not go loudly full left to get the DNC nod and her "slow roll" now will require less position "evolving" for the general election campaign.
 
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