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Why ACARS renders all other evidence moot... Flight 93.

We should probably start by establishing relevant context, such as,.... what the :censored is ACARS?

To be very brief ACARS is like a text-message system for airplane crews to communicate with ground control.

In the interest of continued simplicity my first question on this topic is a pretty obvious one: How many ACARS messages did Flight 93 (or 175 for that matter) send after it crashed?

Anyone?

Bueller?
 
Mark F said:
We should probably start by establishing relevant context, such as,.... what the :censored is ACARS?

To be very brief ACARS is like a text-message system for airplane crews to communicate with ground control.

In the interest of continued simplicity my first question on this topic is a pretty obvious one: How many ACARS messages did Flight 93 (or 175 for that matter) send after it crashed?

Anyone?

Bueller?
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Now. now....


Let's let "THEM" make their arguments,,,,
 
Mark F said:
We should probably start by establishing relevant context, such as,.... what the :censored is ACARS?

To be very brief ACARS is like a text-message system for airplane crews to communicate with ground control.

In the interest of continued simplicity my first question on this topic is a pretty obvious one: How many ACARS messages did Flight 93 (or 175 for that matter) send after it crashed?

Anyone?

Bueller?
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ACARS allows the subscribing airline's dispatch offices to text back and forth with the airplanes in flight.

Just as our cellphones work, whether a subscriber is talking or texting OR NOT, the computers behind the scenes are talking to each other. The computers talk to each other, and know where a subscriber is, whether that subscriber is talking or texting or NOT.

That is, whether the humans are using the device or not, the computers that control the devices and the system are talking to each other, and records are kept of that pinging, hand-shaking, talking, whatever you choose to call it.

ACARS works the same way. Even if the humans are not using the system at any given moment, the computers are communicating with each other. And records are kept of that.

In preparation for the Moussaoui trial, the ONLY trial conducted regarding 911, Mr. Winters and others were deposed to discuss records regarding UA93. Going from memory, Winters was either a supervisor or lower ranking within the dispatch group at UA.

Those records showed that the ACARS computer onboard 93 was still communicating within the system from somewhere in Illinois, 30 minutes or so after the official story has it crashed in PA. Thus the official narrative is contradicted, again, by the facts and evidence.

That it was in Illinois somewhere is perfectly consistent with the testimony and photos and video from Shanksville, where nobody at all could see a crashed airliner, even after they walked through the field in which it supposedly crashed. The ACARS date corroborates the witness testimony at Shanksville.
 
Thoreau72 said:
In preparation for the Moussaoui trial, the ONLY trial conducted regarding 911, Mr. Winters and others were deposed to discuss records regarding UA93. Going from memory, Winters was either a supervisor or lower ranking within the dispatch group at UA.

Those records showed that the ACARS computer onboard 93 was still communicating within the system from somewhere in Illinois, 30 minutes or so after the official story has it crashed in PA. Thus the official narrative is contradicted, again, by the facts and evidence.

That it was in Illinois somewhere is perfectly consistent with the testimony and photos and video from Shanksville, where nobody at all could see a crashed airliner, even after they walked through the field in which it supposedly crashed. The ACARS date corroborates the witness testimony at Shanksville.
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Communicating how?

Did Flight 93 send a message over ACARS 30 minutes after it crashed?
 
Thoreau72 said:
ACARS allows the subscribing airline's dispatch offices to text back and forth with the airplanes in flight.

Just as our cellphones work, whether a subscriber is talking or texting OR NOT, the computers behind the scenes are talking to each other. The computers talk to each other, and know where a subscriber is, whether that subscriber is talking or texting or NOT.

That is, whether the humans are using the device or not, the computers that control the devices and the system are talking to each other, and records are kept of that pinging, hand-shaking, talking, whatever you choose to call it.

ACARS works the same way. Even if the humans are not using the system at any given moment, the computers are communicating with each other. And records are kept of that.

In preparation for the Moussaoui trial, the ONLY trial conducted regarding 911, Mr. Winters and others were deposed to discuss records regarding UA93. Going from memory, Winters was either a supervisor or lower ranking within the dispatch group at UA.

Those records showed that the ACARS computer onboard 93 was still communicating within the system from somewhere in Illinois, 30 minutes or so after the official story has it crashed in PA. Thus the official narrative is contradicted, again, by the facts and evidence.
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Please provide a link to said records...

Thoreau72 said:
That it was in Illinois somewhere is perfectly consistent with the testimony and photos and video from Shanksville, where nobody at all could see a crashed airliner, even after they walked through the field in which it supposedly crashed. The ACARS date corroborates the witness testimony at Shanksville.
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Actually the testimony and photos and video from Shanksville show quite clearly Flight 93 impacted. No one could see airliner components, but everyone saw the results of a high speed airliner impact. Then again, no one but TRUTHERS expect to see any more than debris after an impact like this.
 
Fledermaus said:
Food for thought

Duhbunkers try to explain ACARS and fail - Pilots For 9/11 Truth Forum

Warren Stutt shows the actual ACARS transmit/receipt
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On another thread when ACARS was a more current topic, I asked Capt Bob and others for a copy of the original and why the one P4T seems to be a different format and lacked some of the code. He never could give an answer. Always referred back to the airline printout and not the raw ACARS message.

Seems we are just going over topics already beaten to death.
 
mike2810 said:
On another thread when ACARS was a more current topic, I asked Capt Bob and others for a copy of the original and why the one P4T seems to be a different format and lacked some of the code. He never could give an answer. Always referred back to the airline printout and not the raw ACARS message.

Seems we are just going over topics already beaten to death.
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Well, HD brought it up again and was threatening to derail another thread.

I gave him a place to rant.
 
Mark F said:
Communicating how?

Did Flight 93 send a message over ACARS 30 minutes after it crashed?
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Communicating by radio waves. VHF in the early days, microwave satellite as it evolved.
 
Thoreau72 said:
LOL, Warren Stutt is the same expert who has no problem believing that Hani was flying 77 at Vmo + 100 knots. Not too credible.
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Are you an expert in this field? If so what are your qualifications?
 
zyzygy said:
Are you an expert in this field? If so what are your qualifications?
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No sir, but I do hold an expired Amateur Radio License issued by the FCC. I do understand how radio works, and ACARS is a radio system.
 
Thoreau72 said:
Communicating by radio waves. VHF in the early days, microwave satellite as it evolved.
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You are being pedantic for the purpose of deliberate evasion and you know it.

Besides, we already have the answer and just like you were with your claims about Sandy Hook, Dubai Address and countless other examples you were not just wrong here too.
 
Thoreau72 said:
LOL, Warren Stutt is the same expert who has no problem believing that Hani was flying 77 at Vmo + 100 knots. Not too credible.
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and Warren Stutt is wrong because?

Please show us where Stutt is wrong. Provide the links to back up what you say.

"The actual messages can be modified by the airlines. Some carriers, for example, use internal codes rather than standard phrases in their messages, making the communications more difficult to understand. "Everybody tweaks [ACARS] a little bit," Murri says. - See more at: http://www.aviationtoday.com/av/issue/feature/Securing-ACARS-Data-Link-in-the-Post-911-Environment_955.html#.Vo7qmo-cHL8"

I believe this is one reason Capt. Bob refused to provide anything but the airline copy. The airline message was not the raw data sent to the airlines.

You know it. When the raw data is reviewed, it shows you and others are wrong.
 
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Fledermaus said:
What speed was Flight 77 going with Hani at the controls?
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No, no - much better: How many G's did Flight 77 pull when it overflew the Pentagon?
 
Pointless thread.
ACARS is either not understood by anyoen touting it as evidecen the plane was still airbourne or they are just plain lying.
Guess which category our resident "flight instructor" falls into.
 
mike2810 said:
and Warren Stutt is wrong because?

Please show us where Stutt is wrong. Provide the links to back up what you say.

"The actual messages can be modified by the airlines. Some carriers, for example, use internal codes rather than standard phrases in their messages, making the communications more difficult to understand. "Everybody tweaks [ACARS] a little bit," Murri says. - See more at: http://www.aviationtoday.com/av/issue/feature/Securing-ACARS-Data-Link-in-the-Post-911-Environment_955.html#.Vo7qmo-cHL8"

I believe this is one reason Capt. Bob refused to provide anything but the airline copy. The airline message was not the raw data sent to the airlines.

You know it. When the raw data is reviewed, it shows you and others are wrong.
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Warren Stutt is not credible to me. His interpretation of the 77 FDR data was absurd, claiming that the airplane was 100 knots over Vmo, without even catching the fact that the unit was not assigned to an airframe, is prima facie evidence of how poor his reasoning skills are. Same with the ACARS.

The apologists for the government story are crying about the ACARS data because it is still another example of facts that contradict the official narrative. It's a big pile of facts, the preponderance of the evidence, that work against the official story.
 
Thoreau72 said:
Warren Stutt is not credible to me. His interpretation of the 77 FDR data was absurd, claiming that the airplane was 100 knots over Vmo, without even catching the fact that the unit was not assigned to an airframe, is prima facie evidence of how poor his reasoning skills are. Same with the ACARS.

The apologists for the government story are crying about the ACARS data because it is still another example of facts that contradict the official narrative. It's a big pile of facts, the preponderance of the evidence, that work against the official story.
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Flight 77 impacted the Pentagon at what speed?
 
Thoreau72 said:
Warren Stutt is not credible to me. His interpretation of the 77 FDR data was absurd, claiming that the airplane was 100 knots over Vmo, without even catching the fact that the unit was not assigned to an airframe, is prima facie evidence of how poor his reasoning skills are. Same with the ACARS.

The apologists for the government story are crying about the ACARS data because it is still another example of facts that contradict the official narrative. It's a big pile of facts, the preponderance of the evidence, that work against the official story.
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Does.ACARS trump the DNA evidence?

Does ACARS trump the fact Flight 93 debris was found in the hole?
 
Fledermaus said:
Flight 77 impacted the Pentagon at what speed?
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You are a slow learner Maus. 77 did not impact the Pentagon. Whatever did was much too small to be a 757
 
Fledermaus said:
Does.ACARS trump the DNA evidence?

Does ACARS trump the fact Flight 93 debris was found in the hole?
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Neither you nor the government can prove that the "debris found in the hole" belonged to 93. Wally Miller walked into the hole and all he found was trash, including some kind of Coke machine debris.
 
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