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Why ACARS renders all other evidence moot... Flight 93.

Thoreau72 said:
Neither you nor the government can prove that the "debris found in the hole" belonged to 93. Wally Miller walked into the hole and all he found was trash, including some kind of Coke machine debris.
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Not that what we know about Flight 93 rests solely on what Wallace Miller says, would you at least please stop lying about things Wallace Miller said. I can assure you that Wallace Miller has no doubt what crashed in Shanksville was Flight 93 and I further guarantee you can not produce anything that says otherwise.

Remember, we established 2 years ago that Wallace Miller never actually said any of the things you claim he said in his very brief interview with Chris Bollyn (which was on a different topic even). This has shown to be a lot like Sandy Hook where, after being shown in no uncertain terms you were dead wrong you just laid low for a little bit, then re-introduced your false claims hoping no one would remember.
 
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Thoreau72 said:
Neither you nor the government can prove that the "debris found in the hole" belonged to 93. Wally Miller walked into the hole and all he found was trash, including some kind of Coke machine debris.
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Wally Miller disagrees with you.
 
Mark F said:
Not that what we know about Flight 93 rests solely on what Wallace Miller says, would you at least please stop lying about things Wallace Miller said. I can assure you that Wallace Miller has no doubt what crashed in Shanksville was Flight 93 and I further guarantee you can not produce anything that says otherwise.

Remember, we established 2 years ago that Wallace Miller never actually said any of the things you claim he said in his very brief interview with Chris Bollyn (which was on a different topic even). This has shown to be a lot like Sandy Hook where, after being shown in no uncertain terms you were dead wrong you just laid low for a little bit, then re-introduced your false claims hoping no one would remember.
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Bolded is standard truther tactic
 
Fledermaus said:
Does.ACARS trump the DNA evidence?

Does ACARS trump the fact Flight 93 debris was found in the hole?
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ACARS doesnt need to trump DNA evidence or debris as it isnt in disagreement with any of the other evidence that shows the plane crashed.
 
Mark F said:
Not that what we know about Flight 93 rests solely on what Wallace Miller says, would you at least please stop lying about things Wallace Miller said. I can assure you that Wallace Miller has no doubt what crashed in Shanksville was Flight 93 and I further guarantee you can not produce anything that says otherwise.

Remember, we established 2 years ago that Wallace Miller never actually said any of the things you claim he said in his very brief interview with Chris Bollyn (which was on a different topic even). This has shown to be a lot like Sandy Hook where, after being shown in no uncertain terms you were dead wrong you just laid low for a little bit, then re-introduced your false claims hoping no one would remember.
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I understand your need to call me a liar Mark--that's about the only tactic a person has when they have chosen to defend the indefensible.

But I am not lying about what Miller said. I've seen and read his comments with my own eyes and ears. I've read just about every story about him that I can find, including Bollyn's interview with him in 2011 or 2012.

Your cognitive dissonance makes you most incredible. :peace
 
Thoreau72 said:
Neither you nor the government can prove that the "debris found in the hole" belonged to 93.
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A falsehood.

Thoreau72 said:
Wally Miller walked into the hole and all he found was trash, including some kind of Coke machine debris.
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Show me..

And is this the same Wally Miller who clearly stated this was Flight 93?
 
Fledermaus said:
Evidence said it did.
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Not really. If there had been any evidence proving it was 77, our illustrious government would have show it to us to prove the claim. It has not, therefore the claim has not been proved.

Sure, they pile up a bunch of random airplane parts and tell a big story that the gullible believe, but that is not proof in the traditional sense of the word.
 
Thoreau72 said:
I understand your need to call me a liar Mark--that's about the only tactic a person has when they have chosen to defend the indefensible.

But I am not lying about what Miller said. I've seen and read his comments with my own eyes and ears. I've read just about every story about him that I can find, including Bollyn's interview with him in 2011 or 2012.

Your cognitive dissonance makes you most incredible. :peace
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Show me.

Show me in his statements that he stated ""all he found was trash, including some kind of Coke machine debris"

Show me in his statements where he stated this was not Flight 93's resting place.

Wally Miller:

"I said that I stopped being a coroner after about 20 minutes because it was perfectly clear what the cause and manner of death was gonna be. It was a plane crash but yet it was a homicide because the terrorists hijacked the plane and killed the people, and the terrorists committed suicide. So from that point, yes it was a misquote, because the point that I was trying to make was, after that it more or less became a large funeral service."
 
Thoreau72 said:
Not really. If there had been any evidence proving it was 77, our illustrious government would have show it to us to prove the claim. It has not, therefore the claim has not been proved.

Sure, they pile up a bunch of random airplane parts and tell a big story that the gullible believe, but that is not proof in the traditional sense of the word.
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Arms get tired from all the hand waving?

CLUE: RADAR, DNA, eyewitnesses, personal effects, human remains, ALL support the idea Flight 77 impacted the Pentagon.



Have you ANY proof it didn't?
 
Thoreau72 said:
I understand your need to call me a liar Mark--that's about the only tactic a person has when they have chosen to defend the indefensible.

But I am not lying about what Miller said. I've seen and read his comments with my own eyes and ears. I've read just about every story about him that I can find, including Bollyn's interview with him in 2011 or 2012.

Your cognitive dissonance makes you most incredible. :peace
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Bolded is a lie

I said that I stopped being a coroner after about 20 minutes because it was perfectly clear what the cause and manner of death was gonna be. It was a plane crash but yet it was a homicide because the terrorists hijacked the plane and killed the people, and the terrorists committed suicide. So from that point, yes it was a misquote, because the point that I was trying to make was, after that it more or less became a large funeral service.
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Wally went on to recover and identify some of the remains.
Wally Miller knows the plane crashed.
Dont think we havent noticed how you are attempting to derail the thread now that your ACARS claims have been destroyed.
 
Fledermaus said:
Arms get tired from all the hand waving?

CLUE: RADAR, DNA, eyewitnesses, personal effects, human remains, ALL support the idea Flight 77 impacted the Pentagon.



Have you ANY proof it didn't?
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Dont forget Wally Millers testimony that despite HD lies also is evidence that the plane crashed
 
Thoreau72 said:
Warren Stutt is not credible to me. His interpretation of the 77 FDR data was absurd, claiming that the airplane was 100 knots over Vmo, without even catching the fact that the unit was not assigned to an airframe, is prima facie evidence of how poor his reasoning skills are. Same with the ACARS.

The apologists for the government story are crying about the ACARS data because it is still another example of facts that contradict the official narrative. It's a big pile of facts, the preponderance of the evidence, that work against the official story.
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Ok. captB is not creditable for many of us. So you don't accept WS research because it does not fit your perceived idea of what happened on 9/11.

No apology about the data needed. You and others simply misrepresented the airlines copy. Pretty simple.
Produce a copy of the raw orginal data sent from through ACARS to the airline. before it was changed by the airlines software. Pretty simple. Capt. Bob wouidn't.
 
Fledermaus said:
So, enough of the derail....

Focus.

Why does ACARS trump all the evidence Flight 93 impacted in Shanksville?
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You are playing into his hands,
ACARS cannot trump the other evidence because it agrees with it.
Your question lends some legitemacy to the compeltely false claim that ACARS is evidence the plane was still flying.

It isnt an anomaly and it cannot trump evidence that it is in align with.
 
Quag said:
You are playing into his hands,
ACARS cannot trump the other evidence because it agrees with it.
Your question lends some legitemacy to the compeltely false claim that ACARS is evidence the plane was still flying.

It isnt an anomaly and it cannot trump evidence that it is in align with.
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Darn it....

You let the cat out of the bag.

;)
 
Thoreau72 said:
I understand your need to call me a liar Mark--that's about the only tactic a person has when they have chosen to defend the indefensible.

But I am not lying about what Miller said. I've seen and read his comments with my own eyes and ears. I've read just about every story about him that I can find, including Bollyn's interview with him in 2011 or 2012.

Your cognitive dissonance makes you most incredible. :peace
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I have no need to call you a liar. You made a claim - one that you have never backed up with an actual quote from the alleged interview or even a link - that is a falsehood and that you know is a falsehood because you have repeatedly been shown it is a falsehood.

That by definition is telling a lie.

You have had many opportunities to prove me wrong up to and including right now. It is very simple, all you have to do is produce, for the very first time, the relevant quote from Wallace Miller - in the proper context with a link or reference to the source.

But you never do because it does not exist. Instead you obfuscate, evade and project because anything else means admitting you were wrong just like you were in the Sandy Hook thread and the Dubai Address thread and countless other examples.

There is no quote from Wallace Miller that says what you claim he said and even if there were (which there isn't) it is just another non-thinking CT tactic of sole reliance on a single anomaly out of context to support a false global claim.
 
mike2810 said:
Ok. captB is not creditable for many of us. So you don't accept WS research because it does not fit your perceived idea of what happened on 9/11.

No apology about the data needed. You and others simply misrepresented the airlines copy. Pretty simple.
Produce a copy of the raw orginal data sent from through ACARS to the airline. before it was changed by the airlines software. Pretty simple. Capt. Bob wouidn't.
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If anybody has misrepresented anything, it is Warren Stutt and the other apologists for the Official Fairytale. It was not Balsamo who found and analyzed the ACARS data, it was the blogger known as Woody Box.

If this link works, view it yourself at Woody Box

Let Occam rule again: the reason nobody could see a wrecked Boeing at Shanksville is because there was no Boeing at Shanksville. Indeed, ACARS corroborates that, as the ship was still airborne in Illinois 30 minutes after the authorities said it had crashed.
 
Thoreau72 said:
If anybody has misrepresented anything, it is Warren Stutt and the other apologists for the Official Fairytale. It was not Balsamo who found and analyzed the ACARS data, it was the blogger known as Woody Box.

If this link works, view it yourself at Woody Box

Let Occam rule again: the reason nobody could see a wrecked Boeing at Shanksville is because there was no Boeing at Shanksville. Indeed, ACARS corroborates that, as the ship was still airborne in Illinois 30 minutes after the authorities said it had crashed.
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Ummmmm,... :no:

The reason it didn't look like a typical plane crash is because it wasn't. But we know Flight 93 crashed there because;
Passengers communicated with people on the ground letting them know what was happening
Radar tracked it there and nowhere else.
The engines, flight recorders and other debris were all recovered at the site
Human remains from passengers and crew were recovered at the site (by Wallace Miller)
Personal effects from passengers and crew were recovered at the site
Mail being carried by 93 was recovered at the site
Flight 93 never landed and no one aboard nor the aircraft were ever seen again
Etc, etc, etc,...

All of those factors converge to form but one coherent hypothesis but you want to argue that because an ACARS message was sent to the aircraft a half hour after it crashed that none of the above matters. Single anomaly removed from proper context to support a false global generalization.

Occam doesn't agree.
 
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Thoreau72 said:
If anybody has misrepresented anything, it is Warren Stutt and the other apologists for the Official Fairytale. It was not Balsamo who found and analyzed the ACARS data, it was the blogger known as Woody Box.

If this link works, view it yourself at Woody Box

Let Occam rule again: the reason nobody could see a wrecked Boeing at Shanksville is because there was no Boeing at Shanksville. Indeed, ACARS corroborates that, as the ship was still airborne in Illinois 30 minutes after the authorities said it had crashed.
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Well on this site it was Capt Bob who was posted not WB.

So please provide a link that has the raw ACARS data. Capt. Bob couldn't.



Believe what you want.
 
Thoreau72 said:
If anybody has misrepresented anything, it is Warren Stutt and the other apologists for the Official Fairytale. It was not Balsamo who found and analyzed the ACARS data, it was the blogger known as Woody Box.

If this link works, view it yourself at Woody Box

Let Occam rule again: the reason nobody could see a wrecked Boeing at Shanksville is because there was no Boeing at Shanksville. Indeed, ACARS corroborates that, as the ship was still airborne in Illinois 30 minutes after the authorities said it had crashed.
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Occam called.... He said you have no clue what you are talking about.
 
Thoreau72 said:
If anybody has misrepresented anything, it is Warren Stutt and the other apologists for the Official Fairytale. It was not Balsamo who found and analyzed the ACARS data, it was the blogger known as Woody Box.

If this link works, view it yourself at Woody Box

Let Occam rule again: the reason nobody could see a wrecked Boeing at Shanksville is because there was no Boeing at Shanksville. Indeed, ACARS corroborates that, as the ship was still airborne in Illinois 30 minutes after the authorities said it had crashed.
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Another Plane crash that HD admits happens (though he gets all the details wrong)
Wonder why it looks so similar to 911?
 
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