The Steven Avery Case

The NETFLIX documentary on Steven Avery's case is generating a lot of buzz, and rightly so.

I was familiar with the case to some extent as I didn't live too far from where these events took place, and the news coverage was impossible to avoid. That said, I really didn't pay too close attention at the time to his murder trial - but from what I did see and hear I was always skeptical of the prosecutions case. This in spite of the fact that the news coverage was terribly biased and leading.

For those not familiar - Steven Avery was wrongfully convicted of rape in 1985 and served 18 years in prison before DNA exonerated him, and he was released. He filed a $36 million civil suit against Manitowoc County and some of the officials involved in his wrongful conviction.

2 years after his release, a woman named Teresa Halbach went missed after having last been known to be on the Avery property. Her remains were later found - she had been murdered. Avery was ultimately charged, tried, and convicted of her murder - the lawsuit was settled for a pittance as Avery needed the money to pay for lawyers for his defense. He is now serving a life sentence.

The murder case against Avery is as bogus as the rape case was - yet these public officials get away with it?? They framed him for the rape in 1985, and then they framed him 20 years later for murder!!! Nothing short of amazing.

Anyone else see the Netflix documentary??

Note: The hacker group Anonymous claims to have damning evidence of prosecutorial misconduct and has stated that emails and other documents will be released soon.

I saw it and the lack of any blood from the victim in Avery's trailer and the suspicious finding of the victim's car key in the trailer months after she was killed made me skeptical of the verdict.

PerfectStorm said:

I saw it and the lack of any blood from the victim in Avery's trailer and the suspicious finding of the victim's car key in the trailer months after she was killed made me skeptical of the verdict.

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It's much worse than that... did you watch the whole documentary??

The case of Brendan Dassey is nauseating - and if Dassey's case is garbage, the Avery's case is garbage. Turns out that Dassey's lawyers were working in cahoots with the prosecutors!!! Unbelievable!!! Of course "the powers that be" cannot allow any of this to see the light of day - so, predictably, all appeals have been denied. Lawyers covering for lawyers, cops covering for cops - all of them corrupt.

A few years back, the prosecuting DA had to resign in disgrace as he was caught "sexting" victims of cases he was handling. The texts are disgusting in that they show his arrogance and what a sleazy individual he is. Bragging about how he has money and power... what a disgraceful piece of garbage that guy is. But even that didn't come to light for over a year after complaints had been filed against him b/c the system of review, i.e. lawyer buddies tried to sweep it under the rug!!!

The cops, prosecutors, judges... all of these people belong in jail.

wist43 said:

It's much worse than that...

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No it really isn't.

The man got screwed the first time around yet the system worked.


The murder conviction is likely to stand as there appears to be a lot of things this so-called documentary failed to reveal.

Is Steven Avery Guilty? Evidence 'Making a Murderer' Didn't Present



(The following is an excerpt from a phone conversation he had with his mother it is linked to at the above url.)



Ya! Steven did it alright.

Excon said:

(The following is an excerpt from a phone conversation he had with his mother it is linked to at the above url.)

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By "he" you mean Brendan Dassey, who perjured himself countless times during the numerous coerced confessions he made?

Yeah, reliable witness right there.

I agree with the source you provide:

The series revealed massive flaws in our legal system. There was unquestionably reasonable doubt in Avery's case, in spite of the fact that his blood was found in Halbach's car, the burned body was found on his property, and a bullet with Halbach's DNA was found in his garage, because there was evidence supporting the fact that the police could have planted that evidence. In fact, I remain convinced -- like Avery's lawyers -- that whether Avery committed the murder or not, the police planted evidence to ensure his conviction.

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Since, in a murder trial, it is necessary to prove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt, the Avery verdict should be overturned.

For the record, I believe that Steven Avery is guilty of murder, sort of the same way I believe that O.J. Simpson was guilty of murder, but I don't think that in either case the government proved guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.

The Brendan Dassey investigation, trial, and conviction was an absolute ****ing clown show and everyone involved in prosecuting that mess should be taken in to Steven Avery's garage and shot for being an inept idiot.

And for the record, I believe that Dassey is guilty in at least some capacity, if not of murder than certainly as an accessory either to the murder or to Avery's efforts to hide it.

But "the rule of law" only works if those charged with enforcing the law obey the rules.

In this case the rules were clearly thrown right out the window.

Evidence was planted, confessions were coerced, public defenders were guilty of gross misconduct, and the appellate process was a farce.

soot said:

By "he" you mean Brendan Dassey, who perjured himself countless times during the numerous coerced confessions he made?

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iLOL He didn't perjure himself in his call with his mother did he?

soot said:

I agree with the source you provide:

There was unquestionably reasonable doubt in Avery's case

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Since, in a murder trial, it is necessary to prove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt, the Avery verdict should be overturned.

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iLOL Doh!
The source was not and is not the jury who found him guilty.
They are the ones who found him guilty beyond reasonable doubt.

Secondly the point of providing the addition information was to show that folks should not form their opinions based on a so-called documentary which obviously left out damning information.

Excon said:

iLOL He didn't perjure himself in his call with his mother did he?

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If you listen, or read the transcripts, to all of the calls he made to his mother, first he claims he was involved, then he claims he wasn't, then he claims he was only partially involved, then he claims he wasn't, then he claims...

He just keeps going back and forth.

The problem was the prosecution was presenting recordings of the conversations when he did claim to have some involvement as evidence of that involvement while his publicly appointed attorney, who clearly was not even making a token effort to put together some kind of defense, wasn't presenting as evidence the many recordings of the conversations he had with his mother when he was saying that he didn't actually have any involvement and that he only claimed to have been involved when he thought that it was what investigators wanted to hear.

All the jury got to hear were the few recordings when the kid takes responsibility and not the recordings where he claims he wasn't involved and only claimed to be involved because it was where the police were leading him and promising him that if he gave them a confession he would be allowed to go free.

Couple that with the fact that he was bordering on being a functionally retarded minor and, yeah, perjury - if both kinds of conversations were entered in to evidence.

The source was not and is not the jury who found him guilty.
They are the ones who found him guilty beyond reasonable doubt.

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In large part because his original public defender was engaged in gross misconduct pretty much the entire time he was working for the kid.

soot said:

If you listen, or read the transcripts, to all of the calls he made to his mother, first he claims he was involved, then he claims he wasn't, then he claims he was only partially involved, then he claims he wasn't, then he claims...

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He told his mother Avery did it. That hasn't changed.
That is not the Police leading him to say or admit anything.

This story was covered on MSM last evening. I'm going to check Netflix to see if it's streaming or CD. In the case of CitizenFour, Netflix does not stream it.

It looks like an interesting story.

As previously stated.

Excon said:

As previously stated.

"... folks should not form their opinions based on a so-called documentary which obviously left out damning information. "​

‘Making a Murderer’ Left Out Crucial Facts, Prosecutor Says​

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Was that prosecutor's name Nifong?

PerfectStorm said:

I saw it and the lack of any blood from the victim in Avery's trailer and the suspicious finding of the victim's car key in the trailer months after she was killed made me skeptical of the verdict.

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Those two elements alone should have given every juror pause.

I just caught Episode 1 last night. They sure framed Steven Avery, even as they ignored Gregory Allen. Blatant crimes by the sheriff and others.

You can't put a price on 18 years.

From what I understand about Avery, the dude's a grade-A slob. No way him and his nephew could have cleaned every trace of blood from their house and garage while managing to not clean up the deer blood.

It's been proven that he was framed to an extent in the rape case where the cousins husband (who both hated Avery) had incentive to send him to jail.

I honestly don't know what to believe in regards to his innocence or guilt, but I believe based on the lack of physical evidence present that there was not enough to convict him.

I just watched episode 3 last night, and it's very clear they framed him. The interrogation of his young nephew was CLEARLY improper and a blatant set up. The young man AND his uncle are both low IQ individuals, and the cops took advantage of it, without a lawyer being present.

Shameful and crooked cops in Manitowac. Disgusting.