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Physical Inventory of Flight 77?[W:99]

Henry David said:
I have looked at "evidence" from the Moussaoui trial, and most of if looks staged. For example, parts of airplane fuselage that were invisible from the air, were suddenly nice and neat, and judging from the measurements and spacing of windows, it appears likely that the section shown in the trial was actually from a 727, not a 757.

The closer one looks, the more spectacularly the official story fails. I know that in one location at Shanksville that evening, they had gone to the trouble to place what appeared to be human remains hanging in the trees. I know that because a friend of mine was there that evening, and told me the story. He was a volunteer fireman from some other part of PA, and his unit arrived late in the evening to render assistance.
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Your OPINION is noted.

Thankfully the real investigators dealing with real evidence don't think like you do.

Oh, BTW, since the.fuselage of a 727 and the fuselage of a 757 share the same dimensions WTH are you talking about?

And now you have.some HEARSAY having to do with some unnamed firefighter arriving late?

So what?
 
mike2810 said:
I realize you don't like to answer questions that challenge your statements. It is clear your understanding regarding passenger manifest and its release is for a typical day to day operations. You admit you have no understanding when it comes to other events like a criminal investigation. Your not a cop , nor a scientists, etc. yet you have opinions.

One could conclude the release of the manifest information for 9/11 did follow sop. There is nothing suspicious on what was released.
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No Mike, SOP is that all passengers are named on the passenger manifest. In this case they forgot to include the names of several passengers. How ironic that the names not listed did not work for Raytheon or Boeing, that the names not listed were the crucial players in the story.
 
Fledermaus said:
Your OPINION is noted.

Thankfully the real investigators dealing with real evidence don't think like you do.

Oh, BTW, since the.fuselage of a 727 and the fuselage of a 757 share the same dimensions WTH are you talking about?

And now you have.some HEARSAY having to do with some unnamed firefighter arriving late?

So what?
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What are you, some judge in a trial? This is the court of public opinion Maus, and in case you have not noticed, public opinion is somewhat skeptical of the official story. More and more people I know express skepticism regarding the official story. Maybe not for you, and that's fine, but for me in real life, it's the opposite of your experience.
 
Henry David said:
What are you, some judge in a trial? This is the court of public opinion Maus, and in case you have not noticed, public opinion is somewhat skeptical of the official story. More and more people I know express skepticism regarding the official story. Maybe not for you, and that's fine, but for me in real life, it's the opposite of your experience.
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Your OPINION is noted.

Thankfully REAL investigations don't revolve around the "court of public opinion "
 
Henry David said:
No Mike, SOP is that all passengers are named on the passenger manifest. In this case they forgot to include the names of several passengers. How ironic that the names not listed did not work for Raytheon or Boeing, that the names not listed were the crucial players in the story.
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You said your not a cop.
So tell me what the sop is for a criminal investigation. oh wait , you can't.
 
mike2810 said:
I realize you don't like to answer questions that challenge your statements. It is clear your understanding regarding passenger manifest and its release is for a typical day to day operations. You admit you have no understanding when it comes to other events like a criminal investigation. Your not a cop , nor a scientists, etc. yet you have opinions.

One could conclude the release of the manifest information for 9/11 did follow sop. There is nothing suspicious on what was released.
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Except that the manifest did not include the names of 3 or 4 passengers.

Script writer screwed up. Stuff happens. Interesting that so many of the names listed for the passengers were people working in the defense industry. Not all, but many.
 
Henry David said:
Except that the manifest did not include the names of 3 or 4 passengers.

Script writer screwed up. Stuff happens. Interesting that so many of the names listed for the passengers were people working in the defense industry. Not all, but many.
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Which is it, 3 or 4 passengers?

What are their names?

Can you produce the manifest that is missing their names and the list of victims which contains them?

How many of the passengers worked in the defense industry? Is that number "many"? Why do we care - or more bluntly why do you find it strange that people working in the defense industry would be flying out of Washington Dulles airport? Isn't D.C. where the DoD is headquartered, making D.C. a natural hub of defense industry activity? Would you think it strange of a plane flying out of Orlando had many vacationers on it?
 
Mark F said:
Which is it, 3 or 4 passengers?

What are their names?

Can you produce the manifest that is missing their names and the list of victims which contains them?

How many of the passengers worked in the defense industry? Is that number "many"? Why do we care - or more bluntly why do you find it strange that people working in the defense industry would be flying out of Washington Dulles airport? Isn't D.C. where the DoD is headquartered, making D.C. a natural hub of defense industry activity? Would you think it strange of a plane flying out of Orlando had many vacationers on it?
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If you were not morbidly incurious Mark, you might try to figure out the answers to your questions with your own research.

In the meantime, I could not care less whether you learn those facts or not. I have no obligation to educate you or anybody else with such a denialist posting style. Were I to point you in the right direction for such research, you would reject it quickly.

Just as the physical inventory of AA77 and all the other aircraft has been kept secret from the public so that the fraud could be perpetrated, the incomplete and subsequently 'edited' passenger manifests corroborate the fraudulent nature of the official story.
 
Henry David said:
If you were not morbidly incurious Mark, you might try to figure out the answers to your questions with your own research.
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CT's are truly a lazy bunch.

For about the millionth time, I shouldn't have to do your work for you. This was YOUR CLAIM, therefore the burden of proof is yours or the claim is invalid. Those questions should have been answered when the claim was presented, I shouldn't have to be subjected to pages of your evasion as you try to run away from it and shift the burden of proof onto those who can actually do the research.

Remember, I indulged you back in the Sandy Hook thread and we all saw how that went for you.

Why don't you tell Bob we don't need a new investigation. By your logic you CT's should be finding all the answers for yourself. Nobody needs to answer your questions either.
 
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Henry David said:
If you were not morbidly incurious Mark, you might try to figure out the answers to your questions with your own research.

In the meantime, I could not care less whether you learn those facts or not. I have no obligation to educate you or anybody else with such a denialist posting style. Were I to point you in the right direction for such research, you would reject it quickly.

Just as the physical inventory of AA77 and all the other aircraft has been kept secret from the public so that the fraud could be perpetrated, the incomplete and subsequently 'edited' passenger manifests corroborate the fraudulent nature of the official story.
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The fact is, the manifests do include the hijackers.

Flight 77 Manifest a.jpg
 
Gosh Mr. Maus, you are terrific, rather like Mighty Mouse, eh?

All these years later and you finally found some paper to support your position. And it doesn't even say "VICTIM LIST" :lamo

Can you find one of those for AA11 or UA175 or 93?
 
Henry David said:
Gosh Mr. Maus, you are terrific, rather like Mighty Mouse, eh?

All these years later and you finally found some paper to support your position. And it doesn't even say "VICTIM LIST" :lamo

Can you find one of those for AA11 or UA175 or 93?
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You can stop handwaving....

This manifest has been provided many times.

And you have ignored it many times.

Here are more that you can ignore.


Flight 175 Manifest a.jpgFlight 93 Manifest a.jpgFlight 11 Manifest a.jpg
 
HD (and Bob and Bman) really need to learn that if they are going to ask gotcha questions they should really know, rather than assume the answer first.
 
Maus

I know you won't believe me, and that's OK, but many years ago, estimating about 2005, the manifests available online did not include the names of the hijackers.

Could some skilled dude have edited them in the meantime? I don't know, is the Pope Catholic? :mrgreen:
 
Henry David said:
Maus

I know you won't believe me, and that's OK, but many years ago, estimating about 2005, the manifests available online did not include the names of the hijackers.

Could some skilled dude have edited them in the meantime? I don't know, is the Pope Catholic? :mrgreen:
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No, I don't believe you since the manifests are the manifests.

Nor do I believe your new accusation that they were somehow altered.

All accusation, no evidence.

Why don't you do the honest thing and admit you confused the victim lists with the manifests.
 
Henry David said:
Maus

I know you won't believe me, and that's OK, but many years ago, estimating about 2005, the manifests available online did not include the names of the hijackers.

Could some skilled dude have edited them in the meantime? I don't know, is the Pope Catholic? :mrgreen:
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Those were not "manifests". They were victims lists. Understandable that a detail like that would escape the memory after a decade.

You are of course free to produce the link to a web page dating to 2005 or earlier that supports what you think you remember.
 
Fledermaus said:
No, I don't believe you since the manifests are the manifests.

Nor do I believe your new accusation that they were somehow altered.

All accusation, no evidence.

Why don't you do the honest thing and admit you confused the victim lists with the manifests.
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I already did it for 4 years Maus, long ago, but I could now agree with you, but then we would both be wrong. I already know why you won't do the honest thing and admit the fraud that is the official story. :mrgreen:
 
Henry David said:
I already did it for 4 years Maus, long ago, but I could now agree with you, but then we would both be wrong. I already know why you won't do the honest thing and admit the fraud that is the official story. :mrgreen:
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You are evading.

In your last few posts in this thread you have made a number of claims without evidence and when challenged to support them you have ducked, dodged and dived to explicitly avoid doing so. This is not a new habit. You have been behaving this way on this forum from the beginning. If an official source pulled the crap you do how would you respond? Fair is fair after all?
 
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