Is a world confederation necessary?

zyzygy said:

Only in the USA

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Why is that?

Is a world confederation necessary?

No.

Bob0627 said:

It is because it essentially threatens the victim, guilty or not, to agree to waive all constitutionally protected rights or else. These days, over 97% of all those charged with a crime agree to a plea bargain, which denies all due process protections, because the alternative is always far worse. It is extremely difficult to win a not guilty verdict in court and the cost is often prohibitive for most people vs a prosecution that has virtually unlimited resources. There is very little equal or fair about going to trial for the vast majority of those charged with a crime. Besides several Bill of Rights violations, it also strips equal rights protections guaranteed by the 14th Amendment.

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No it doesnt. Plea bargains arent unconstitutional.

It would be unconstitutional only if they were mandatory. You have the option to deny them. Nothing is unconstitutional.

Rights can be waived, if you want waive them, go ahead, if not, thats fine too.

Luftwaffe said:

No it doesnt. Plea bargains arent unconstitutional.

It would be unconstitutional only if they were mandatory. You have the option to deny them. Nothing is unconstitutional.

Rights can be waived, if you want waive them, go ahead, if not, thats fine too.

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It's really ok for you to believe that, I don't swallow that BS for a minute. There is no reasonable option when one is faced with a threat to one's finances and many years of one's life or else. It's extortion under color of law. There is no constitutional basis or authority for the plea bargain.

Bob0627 said:

It's really ok for you to believe that, I don't swallow that BS for a minute. There is no reasonable option when one is faced with a threat to one's finances and many years of one's life or else. It's extortion under color of law. There is no constitutional basis or authority for the plea bargain.

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There is a constitutional basis for the plea bargain.

The constitutional basis is that your rights can be waived/not exercised at your will. The possible lighter sentence is just a bonus.

Luftwaffe said:

There is a constitutional basis for the plea bargain.

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According to the same system that created it.

The constitutional basis is that your rights can be waived/not exercised at your will. The possible lighter sentence is just a bonus.

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Sure, like I said, no problem, you bought it I haven't. It's like signing a contract with a gun pointed at your head. George Orwell knew what he was talking about.

Kelfuma said:

We must put aside our human differences and work towards establishing direct contact with advanced alien human worlds (who are observing us):

Forget little green men ? aliens will look like humans, says Cambridge University evolution expert | Science | News | The Independent

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zoo_hypothesis

MessageToEagle.com - Aliens Are Observing Us Says Astronaut Edgar Mitchell - with video

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confederation

Alien humans are waiting to share us their ideas and technology but they are observing on how we handle global crises like natural disasters, war, disease, refugees and so on.

A United Confederation of Earth would be much more effective at tackling global policies (on paper at least) than our current United Nations (Saudi Arabia on top human rights council, failure to stop Syrian civil war, widespread corruption and report manipulations). A world confederation is also less extreme and authoritarian than a world government.

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star wars star trek ?

Bob0627 said:

According to the same system that created it.



Sure, like I said, no problem, you bought it I haven't. It's like signing a contract with a gun pointed at your head. George Orwell knew what he was talking about.

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Yes, I bought the truth :lamo

Medusa said:

star wars star trek ?

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To boldy go to other planets and meet actors in silly alien costumes.

QuadpolarNutjob said:

only if it has the united states constitution as its constitution. i'm not eager to give up any rights to join a global circle jerk with dozens of dictatorships, monarchies, and theocracies.

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But then what is the motivation for all those dictators, monarchs, and theocrats from joining?

What motivation would a president have to give up the rights of Americans... Oh wait, the president doesn't care about that.

Ancient Herald said:

All utopias are built on the backs of the disenfranchised, and all utopias commit atrocities to create it.

After all, you can't create an omelet without breaking eggs.

And not all revolutions are for freedom and democracy.

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Most "Utopias" are communist Utopias, which makes your statement accurate.

And revolutions for freedom and democracy... That's more or less the exception to the rule.

Kelfuma said:

We must put aside our human differences and work towards establishing direct contact with advanced alien human worlds (who are observing us):

Forget little green men ? aliens will look like humans, says Cambridge University evolution expert | Science | News | The Independent

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zoo_hypothesis

MessageToEagle.com - Aliens Are Observing Us Says Astronaut Edgar Mitchell - with video

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confederation

Alien humans are waiting to share us their ideas and technology but they are observing on how we handle global crises like natural disasters, war, disease, refugees and so on.

A United Confederation of Earth would be much more effective at tackling global policies (on paper at least) than our current United Nations (Saudi Arabia on top human rights council, failure to stop Syrian civil war, widespread corruption and report manipulations). A world confederation is also less extreme and authoritarian than a world government.

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I have little interest in giving up what freedom and self-determination and franchise I have remaining, to an even more remote and unreachable and uncaring government to whom I am an even smaller dustmote in just one country of many...


I'm sorry but what I've seen of the UN and indeed 70% of the nations of the world, gives me no faith in allowing them any say in the governance I live under, or the world we live in. It seems very likely to end in disaster.

The UN was created to manage world peace and principally the reconstruction of Europe following WWII. Its charter is very specific in scope.

People blame the UN for not working, but it's actually working exactly according to how it was designed. If you want the UN to function, then get rid of the Security Council, or at least get rid of veto power. That's the only way a true confederacy could happen. I'm against a ruling global body because it's never going to be in touch with local needs. The less local we get, the more problems accelerate. What we need is a return to the local. It'll be the culmination of localized problems being solved that contributes to global peace. Real solutions are never going to be top-down. Politicians in Washington know jack about what's happening in the distant states, so how could a global government understand distant, localized problems? It's too macro.

A world government is never going to happen. The only way one could exist is through total tyranny and people would not accept that forever. The only way it can happen peacefully is if we eliminate material inequity on the planet, probably through improvements in energy technology, and if we eliminate psychos from running government. It would also require most of humanity to shift its reason for existing. Right now most people live for making money and buying useless crap. We would need to re-frame modern culture to be about enriching ourselves, protecting the planet, and working towards the betterment of all. Things right now, as they are, look pretty damn selfish.

People don't seem to understand that even in modern day democracies, the majority of government rule comes from old power, like the aristocracy. They pull the strings constantly. Very few non-nobles make it to true power.

Northern Light said:

Right now most people live for making money and buying useless crap. We would need to re-frame modern culture to be about enriching ourselves, protecting the planet, and working towards the betterment of all. Things right now, as they are, look pretty damn selfish.

People don't seem to understand that even in modern day democracies, the majority of government rule comes from old power, like the aristocracy. They pull the strings constantly. Very few non-nobles make it to true power.

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That is very true. I think it's discouraging when you see that so much human potential is wasted in the pursuit of wealth and pleasure. This is especially true of many impoverished people.

Kelfuma said:

This is especially true of many impoverished people.

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What's your basis for saying this?

All the sociology research I've come across on this subject shows pretty clearly that as a society becomes more affluent, its people become more money grubbing, less communally focused, less compassionate.

Northern Light said:

What's your basis for saying this?

All the sociology research I've come across on this subject shows pretty clearly that as a society becomes more affluent, its people become more money grubbing, less communally focused, less compassionate.

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The way I see it, they desire wealth more strongly, but maybe it's more appropriate for them as opposed to people already wealthy? I am confused as to how important wealth (aside from necessities of course) is.