More Lies by NASA

mike2810 said:

The issue I have with many of the vids/ytubes Scott posts is they say a lot, but do not provide any sources to back up their statements. If they do mention a source it is generally a CT site.

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That is the problem. Scott's approach is that everything a CT video says is true. Anything from a real and informed source is false.

zyzygy said:

That is the problem. Scott's approach is that everything a CT video says is true. Anything from a real and informed source is false.

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It is so easy to see the fallacy of many of the CT ytubes. Many are based in partial facts, then plays the what if game. Like the claimi the radiation belt would kill humans. Partially true, However when looking at time of exposure, some shielding, etc;, science proved the mission was entirely possible. More importantly humans did go to the moon and returned alive.

Scott said:

This post is hardly worth a response but I'll respond anyway. What you just said would get you laughed out of the debating hall.

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Speaking of debating hall, would they all be waiting with baited breath for you to respond with a meaningful post?

I have showed you how air is moved in a wind tunnel, it has been shown to you before on numerous other forums. You never reply because it ruins your fall back position. There is no physical way air is pushed more than a couple of inches in front of a moving body. The one explanation that can be ruled out concerning your love affair with flagspam, is that it was caused by air from the approaching astronaut. You obviously don't believe your own argument, because you have nothing to back it up with!

Anyone can trot by a forum post and see it is being ignored. I fully expect you to ignore this post.

Provide us with a full breakdown about your "atmosphere explanation" and how it breaks the laws of physics. In your own time.

Any viewer who has doubts can try it himself. Watch this video at the 2:35 time mark.

"Apollo 15 flag, facing air resistance; proving the fraud of alleged manned moon landings."
Apollo 15 flag, facing air resistance; proving the fraud of alleged manned moon landings. - YouTube


Hang a light piece of cloth from a ceiling light and trot by it about five or six inches away at about a forty five degree angle. the flag will move like the Apollo flag but a little faster. The Apollo footage was shown in slow-motion which explains the difference in speed.

That video of a car in a wind tunnel doesn't disprove this.


Making my own video is a lot of trouble. Also, YouTube requires that you enter your mobile phone number when you do stuff like that and I want to remain anonymous. I stopped posting in YouTube comment sections because they require that I enter my mobile phone number.

Why don't you pro-Apollo posters film the experiment if you say it's so easy. You won't because it will prove you wrong.

Anyone who tries it will see that the flag first moves away from you, then moves back in the other direction after you pass by. This is just basic physics and is too clear to obfuscate.

Scott said:

Any viewer who has doubts can try it himself. Watch this video at the 2:35 time mark.

"Apollo 15 flag, facing air resistance; proving the fraud of alleged manned moon landings."
Apollo 15 flag, facing air resistance; proving the fraud of alleged manned moon landings. - YouTube


Hang a light piece of cloth from a ceiling light and trot by it about five or six inches away at about a forty five degree angle. the flag will move like the Apollo flag but a little faster. The Apollo footage was shown in slow-motion which explains the difference in speed.

That video of a car in a wind tunnel doesn't disprove this.


Making my own video is a lot of trouble. Also, YouTube requires that you enter your mobile phone number when you do stuff like that and I want to remain anonymous. I stopped posting in YouTube comment sections because they require that I enter my mobile phone number.

Why don't you pro-Apollo posters film the experiment if you say it's so easy. You won't because it will prove you wrong.

Anyone who tries it will see that the flag first moves away from you, then moves back in the other direction after you pass by. This is just basic physics and is too clear to obfuscate.

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Wrong from start to finish.

zyzygy said:

The study is wrong because we landed on the Moon. It's as simple as that.

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The obvious and clear logic of that simple statement will be lost on the intended audience.

Scott said:

Any viewer who has doubts can try it himself. Watch this video at the 2:35 time mark.

"Apollo 15 flag, facing air resistance; proving the fraud of alleged manned moon landings."
Apollo 15 flag, facing air resistance; proving the fraud of alleged manned moon landings. - YouTube

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Anybody except you that is!

Here is a frame grab from your spam video showing where Jarrah White concludes the flag moves -

Hang a light piece of cloth from a ceiling light and trot by it about five or six inches away at about a forty five degree angle.

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5-6 inches? Are you some sort of comedian? Here is a little diagram with some simple geometry. That looks like 7 feet to me, what does it look like to you "truther"? More than 6 inches do you think?

the flag will move like the Apollo flag but a little faster. The Apollo footage was shown in slow-motion which explains the difference in speed.

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Total bollocks! Firstly it will billow just like the "experiment" by Jarrah White. The Apollo flag doesn't billow at all. Secondly, in White's example, the flag was square on and MORE likely to move earlier. It doesn't start to move until he is dead level with it.

That video of a car in a wind tunnel doesn't disprove this.

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The car in a wind tunnel shows exactly how far away you will be before you get movement. A couple of inches. You didn't "prove" anything, you made a bullcrap claim that even your hero Jarrah White disproves.

Making my own video is a lot of trouble. Also, YouTube requires that you enter your mobile phone number when you do stuff like that and I want to remain anonymous. I stopped posting in YouTube comment sections because they require that I enter my mobile phone number.

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Ask a friend, if you have any:roll:

Why don't you pro-Apollo posters film the experiment if you say it's so easy. You won't because it will prove you wrong.

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Jarrah White already did it and it proved YOU wrong. It's your ridiculous claim, your burden to carry it out.

Anyone who tries it will see that the flag first moves away from you, then moves back in the other direction after you pass by. This is just basic physics and is too clear to obfuscate.

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What a crock! You need to run past the flag/cloth quite quickly and at a distance of a few inches, there is no way you will be able to look down and see it move in the split second it occurs. Finally you've tipped your hand and shown how ludicrously wrong about this you are.

How can you equate even your lying 5-6 inches movement to what we see in the Apollo 15 video of several feet? Answer please, or run away like you always do.

Antitroll said:

Anybody except you that is!

Here is a frame grab from your spam video showing where Jarrah White concludes the flag moves -

5-6 inches? Are you some sort of comedian? Here is a little diagram with some simple geometry. That looks like 7 feet to me, what does it look like to you "truther"? More than 6 inches do you think?

Total bollocks! Firstly it will billow just like the "experiment" by Jarrah White. The Apollo flag doesn't billow at all. Secondly, in White's example, the flag was square on and MORE likely to move earlier. It doesn't start to move until he is dead level with it.



The car in a wind tunnel shows exactly how far away you will be before you get movement. A couple of inches. You didn't "prove" anything, you made a bullcrap claim that even your hero Jarrah White disproves.



Ask a friend, if you have any:roll:



Jarrah White already did it and it proved YOU wrong. It's your ridiculous claim, your burden to carry it out.



What a crock! You need to run past the flag/cloth quite quickly and at a distance of a few inches, there is no way you will be able to look down and see it move in the split second it occurs. Finally you've tipped your hand and shown how ludicrously wrong about this you are.

How can you equate even your lying 5-6 inches movement to what we see in the Apollo 15 video of several feet? Answer please, or run away like you always do.

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Oh no Scott just got busted again. Man you would think he would get tired of looking so foolish all the time.

Anyone who watches it will see that you people are seeing what you want to see.

Initial Apollo 15 Flag Movement
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dW9qcL4LiUg


Stop the video at the 1:06 time mark where the video says 00:21.16. He's a lot closer to the flag.

That's when the really noticable movement starts and he's nowhere near enough to the flag to hit it with his elbow. You're only going to fool a few viewers who don't look at the video with your rhetoric. Anyone who takes the time to look at it will see that you're all full-of-it.

Scott said:

Anyone who watches it will see that you people are seeing what you want to see.

Initial Apollo 15 Flag Movement
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dW9qcL4LiUg


Stop the video at the 1:06 time mark where the video says 00:21.16. He's a lot closer to the flag.

That's when the really noticable movement starts and he's nowhere near enough to the flag to hit it with his elbow. You're only going to fool a few viewers who don't look at the video with your rhetoric. Anyone who takes the time to look at it will see that you're all full-of-it.

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You lose. Live with it.

Scott said:

Anyone who watches it will see that you people are seeing what you want to see.

Initial Apollo 15 Flag Movement
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dW9qcL4LiUg


Stop the video at the 1:06 time mark where the video says 00:21.16. He's a lot closer to the flag.

That's when the really noticable movement starts and he's nowhere near enough to the flag to hit it with his elbow. You're only going to fool a few viewers who don't look at the video with your rhetoric. Anyone who takes the time to look at it will see that you're all full-of-it.

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Hilarious scott/cosmored/fatfreddy88/david c,that you accuse others of seeing what they want to see....Which is what YOU do

Scott said:

Anyone who watches it will see that you people are seeing what you want to see.

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You totally ignored my post and now call your number one spam source - Jarrah White - a liar? He determined where this movement began. But whatever, let's humour you again shall we?

Initial Apollo 15 Flag Movement
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dW9qcL4LiUg
Stop the video at the 1:06 time mark where the video says 00:21.16. He's a lot closer to the flag.

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Hey scott, the truther, does that look like well over 4 feet to his body? How does THAT compare to your bogus 5-6 inches?

That's when the really noticable movement starts and he's nowhere near enough to the flag to hit it with his elbow. You're only going to fool a few viewers who don't look at the video with your rhetoric. Anyone who takes the time to look at it will see that you're all full-of-it.

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Once again you have had your sorry butt kicked. 4 feet MINIMUM to his body.

This is usually where you run away or change subject or just bleat with obfuscation like your last post. Everybody can see you are the one full of it and we all know you don't believe this bollocks at all.

This is usually where you run away or change subject or just bleat with obfuscation like your last post. Everybody can see you are the one full of it and we all know you don't believe this bollocks at all.

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I doubt that many viewers simply agree with the person who makes the last post and declares victory. Thinking people only consider the quality of the posts. You're just trying to muddy the waters with BS.

You declare victory in every post and you'll always make the last post no matter how lame your post is.


Jarrah's video shows that the flag had already started moving before he got close enough to touch it. Therefore, the movement was not caused by the astronaut's having touched it. Do you dispute this?

Scott said:

I doubt that many viewers simply agree with the person who makes the last post and declares victory. Thinking people only consider the quality of the posts. You're just trying to muddy the waters with BS.

You declare victory in every post and you'll always make the last post no matter how lame your post is.


Jarrah's video shows that the flag had already started moving before he got close enough to touch it. Therefore, the movement was not caused by the astronaut's having touched it. Do you dispute this?

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How long had the flag been there?

Scott said:

I doubt that many viewers simply agree with the person who makes the last post and declares victory. Thinking people only consider the quality of the posts. You're just trying to muddy the waters with BS.

You declare victory in every post and you'll always make the last post no matter how lame your post is.

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Hey "truther", stop bleating like a baby! That behaviour wouldn't even get you into the debating hall, let alone laughed out of it. You are like the Black Knight and have been ever since you were torn apart post by post by the "NASA shill" who owned you on the OP and a hundred other things.

Jarrah's video shows that the flag had already started moving before he got close enough to touch it. Therefore, the movement was not caused by the astronaut's having touched it. Do you dispute this?

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Hey "truther", quit trying to re-establish your run away tactics. We haver already seen he wasn't close enough, we are now trying to establish what possibilities are feasible to account for the small flag judder we see. Now I've just proven, YES PROVEN! that it cannot possibly be caused by air. You spam the living hell out of hundreds of places with your Jarrah videos, then after all that 7 years of life investment, you now say he is wrong?? Then even adjusting for your new place, Dave Scott is still 4 feet minimum away from the right edge of the flag.

You cannot deny this, maths is indisputable! Air doesn't travel in front of an object more than a few inches, again wave dynamics are indisputable. You fail on every single forum where you are asked to elaborate on your bullcrap "atmosphere explanation".

YOU ARE DONE and you know it. And just so you know, youtube isn't the only place to upload video to! There are hundreds of free sites that don't even require you to register. We are talking about a 10 second clip of a comedy truther trotting by a cloth. It won't ever happen, because you don't even believe this crap and it will show the same things as you keep avoiding.

Jarrah's experiments backfired on more than one occasion. His flag billowed, the one on the Moon didn't. His flag only moved when he was dead level with it. H actually did some jumping up and down next to a bed sheet, no more than 18 inches away and it didn't move one tiny bit.

Scott said:

I doubt that many viewers simply agree with the person who makes the last post and declares victory. Thinking people only consider the quality of the posts. You're just trying to muddy the waters with BS.

You declare victory in every post and you'll always make the last post no matter how lame your post is.


Jarrah's video shows that the flag had already started moving before he got close enough to touch it. Therefore, the movement was not caused by the astronaut's having touched it. Do you dispute this?

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Jarrah's knowledge of physics could be written on the back pf a postage stamp.

Now I've just proven, YES PROVEN! that it cannot possibly be caused by air.

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No you haven't. The major movement starts when he's closer. He's pretty wide with that moon suit. You haven't proven anything.

If it were ground vibration, the rod and pole would be moving and the flag movement would start at the top of the flag and move down. The flag would not move back and forth - it would move up and down.

If kicked up lunar soild had hit the flag, the whole flag would not move as if hit by something big and monolithic sucha as a wall of air.

If electricity had repelled the flag from the astronaut, we would see simalar phenomena in other cases where an astronaut is near the flag. The only time we see the movement is when it's consistent with the air explanation.

Read this thread.
Air caused the flag to move so it was obviously in a studio.

Scott said:

No you haven't. The major movement starts when he's closer. He's pretty wide with that moon suit. You haven't proven anything.

If it were ground vibration, the rod and pole would be moving and the flag movement would start at the top of the flag and move down. The flag would not move back and forth - it would move up and down.

If kicked up lunar soild had hit the flag, the whole flag would not move as if hit by something big and monolithic sucha as a wall of air.

If electricity had repelled the flag from the astronaut, we would see simalar phenomena in other cases where an astronaut is near the flag. The only time we see the movement is when it's consistent with the air explanation.

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Air caused the flag to move so it was obviously in a studio.

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Do any of the other flags move like Apollo 15's did?

And why did only the bottm of the flag move,not the entire flag?

Scott said:

No you haven't.

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Yes I have, you lose. That's what truthing is, when evidence shows something is one way, a truther doesn't sit there like s stubborn git and dig his heels in. They adapt and move on. Ergo, you ain't no truther!

The major movement starts when he's closer. He's pretty wide with that moon suit. You haven't proven anything.

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As irrelevant as it could get. We have already established by YOUR claims, that he was at least 4 feet away from the right edge of the flag. That is 20 times further than physics shows air movement.

If you dispute this, provide some citations not pulled from your backside, or wild bare assertions. You can't because there are none.

If it were ground vibration, the rod and pole would be moving and the flag movement would start at the top of the flag and move down. The flag would not move back and forth - it would move up and down.

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Bollocks. The rod and pole wouldn't be moving up and down, what utter crap. It only needs a small judder on the surface to transmit enough kinetic energy to make the flag move. Your assessment is dismissed as baloney!

If kicked up lunar soild had hit the flag, the whole flag would not move as if hit by something big and monolithic sucha as a wall of air.

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I had to re-read this a few times because you are really talking crap now. The movement is tiny and anyone who looks at it can see that. Wall of air? What the hell is that? There is no such thing. When something passes by, it pushes air to the side and creates a wake, in front of the object is a few inches of air. This, out of all the options is the favourite. It only needs a small amount of soil to hit the base of the flag pole to judder it enough.

If electricity had repelled the flag from the astronaut, we would see simalar phenomena in other cases where an astronaut is near the flag. The only time we see the movement is when it's consistent with the air explanation.

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You are clearly not familiar with the Apollo video record. Apollo 11 was too poor TV and didn't show it. Apollo 12 camera broke. Apollo 14 was too far away and very poor TV quality. Apollo 16 and 17 was also too far away. The ONLY time we ever see astronauts close enough to any planted stationary flag is on this footage. Besides, it is only when it is first put up that the static charge has a chance to jump. Having said all that, I don't think it is the explanation.

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Air caused the flag to move so it was obviously in a studio.

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To see where you get absolutely kicked to crap? Seriously, are you blind as a bat?

Now, once again you have failed to directly address my post and attempted to obfuscate with explanations a child would be proud of. You cannot possibly believe any of that crap you just typed! Have you heard of Occam's Razor? You are doing the opposite. You are taking the one explanation that is totally and physically impossible, ignoring why it is so, then offering cheesy, brainless explanations to dismiss any one of the other alternatives.

Now, answer the damn question "truther"!

How does your 5-6 inches of trotting by a cloth equate to over 4ft away? When are you going to upload your "anyone can trot by a cloth" video to one of the free hosting sites?

You've been kicking the bajeeseus out of this dead horse for half a decade, surely you've got some actual citations and can elaborate on your "atmosphere explanation"!

You compared the Apollo flag scene with this wind tunnel scene.
http://www.debatepolitics.com/consp...-lies-nasa-post1065040736.html#post1065040736

You used the behavior of the air in the wind tunnel scenario to explain the behavior of the air in the Apollo scenario. In order to check the behavior of the air in the Apollo scenario, you need to duplicate the conditions of the Apollo scenario.

The conditions in the two scenarios are very different; they can't be compared. The idea that something as big as an astronaut in a space suit moving at about seven miles per hour pushes air in front of him at about the right pressure to affect the flag a few feet away seems plausible to me. If he's moving as fast as he would have to be moving to duplicate the wind tunnel scenario, he would probably pass the flag before it started moving.


As I've said before, anyone can hang a light piece of cloth from a ceiling light and trot by it at about a forty five deree angle and see that the cloth will first move away from you, and then back toward you the way the Apollo flag does.

Filming it myself is a lot of trouble and now it can't be done anomymously; YouTube now requires that you enter your mobile phone number when posting in comment sections so it probably requires it to download videos too.

If making a video is as easy as you say it is, why don't you do the experiment and record it and download it onto YouTube?


You use a lot of rhetoric in your posts but what you're actually saying is pretty lame.

Scott said:

You compared the Apollo flag scene with this wind tunnel scene.
http://www.debatepolitics.com/consp...-lies-nasa-post1065040736.html#post1065040736

You used the behavior of the air in the wind tunnel scenario to explain the behavior of the air in the Apollo scenario. In order to check the behavior of the air in the Apollo scenario, you need to duplicate the conditions of the Apollo scenario.

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There is no air on the Moon.

Scott said:

No you haven't. The major movement starts when he's closer. He's pretty wide with that moon suit. You haven't proven anything.

If it were ground vibration, the rod and pole would be moving and the flag movement would start at the top of the flag and move down. The flag would not move back and forth - it would move up and down.

If kicked up lunar soild had hit the flag, the whole flag would not move as if hit by something big and monolithic sucha as a wall of air.

If electricity had repelled the flag from the astronaut, we would see simalar phenomena in other cases where an astronaut is near the flag. The only time we see the movement is when it's consistent with the air explanation.

Read this thread.
Air caused the flag to move so it was obviously in a studio.

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OMG this line of thinking is so far BEYOND stupid that it is amazing...

zyzygy said:

There is no air on the Moon.

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And if NASA was stupid enough to FAKE the landing they are certainly SMART enough to use their ****ing vacuum chamber to do it!!

For ****s sake this argument is stupid...

Bodhisattva said:

And if NASA was stupid enough to FAKE the landing they are certainly SMART enough to use their ****ing vacuum chamber to do it!!

For ****s sake this argument is stupid...

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And NASA would not be stupid enough to release it. I think that Scott is doing performance art.

"We're going to fake the Moon scenes guys but we won't bother to use the vacuum chamber, we'll film it where moving air will give away the secret."

"Great idea boss!"