The mastermind of 9/11

americanwoman · 08-22-07, 10:48 AM

Ok so I am not about to go through pages and pages of junk but I want to know from all those who support the theory that 9-11 was an inside job who orchestrated it? I know you believe it was the U.S. government but who (naming names) is the mastermind behind the plan? Why do you belive it was this person who did it and what evidence do you have to lead this person to such a hideous act?

ashurbanipal · 08-22-07, 11:18 AM

Before I answer this, let me provide an example, and ask your reaction to it:

Suppose that you get put on trial for the murder of some person that you may or may not know. It turns out you have a rock-solid alibi, but the prosecution goes forward with the case. Your attorney presents your alibi to the jury--and let's say it's truly rock solid, whatever that takes. In closing arguments, the prosecution makes the claim "I acknowledge that the defendant has a good alibi. She can prove she was elsewhere at the time the murder was committed. I nevertheless insist that you find her guilty because she cannot provide the name of the person who did the murder."

Does that argument hold water?

americanwoman · 08-22-07, 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by ashurbanipal

Before I answer this, let me provide an example, and ask your reaction to it:

Suppose that you get put on trial for the murder of some person that you may or may not know. It turns out you have a rock-solid alibi, but the prosecution goes forward with the case. Your attorney presents your alibi to the jury--and let's say it's truly rock solid, whatever that takes. In closing arguments, the prosecution makes the claim "I acknowledge that the defendant has a good alibi. She can prove she was elsewhere at the time the murder was committed. I nevertheless insist that you find her guilty because she cannot provide the name of the person who did the murder."

Does that argument hold water?

No it doesn't. But if that's the way the prosecutor is going to argue I would probably be forced to counter that and hire a private detective to find the name out. If I absolutely could not find who did the murder, which in this day and age can be easy -trust me I am forced to watch forensic files alot- I would have to argue that I am they would have to prove me guilty because that's the way our legal system works. I would be guilty only if they could find me guilty without a reasonable doubt.

But I mean if there really is a conspiracy wouldn't that be a goal of the people trying to uncover it, is to find out who is behind it. Or don't they care, only that it was done by someone other than what we are being told?

ashurbanipal · 08-22-07, 11:58 AM

Yes, that is our ultimate goal. What I am trying to lay the groundwork for, though, is to make sure that everyone understands that we don't know for certain who did it. That doesn't mean we can't provide reasons (hopefully good ones) that the official version is not correct.

I have my suspicions about who was involved and who was the ultimate mastermind--namely, Dick Cheney. But I do not believe enough evidence exists to convict him. Rather, what I think needs to happen is an honest investigation--and whoever is implicated in that investigation should then stand trial. And if a truly honest investigation happens and the official version holds up, I'll be happy. I believed the official version for two years after 911, and only came to the conspiracy side after a lot of reading.

So at this point, naming names is little more than speculation. What isn't so speculative is that there are serious enough holes in the official version to warrant skepticism.

Trajan Octavian Titus · 08-25-07, 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by ashurbanipal

Before I answer this, let me provide an example, and ask your reaction to it:

Suppose that you get put on trial for the murder of some person that you may or may not know. It turns out you have a rock-solid alibi, but the prosecution goes forward with the case. Your attorney presents your alibi to the jury--and let's say it's truly rock solid, whatever that takes. In closing arguments, the prosecution makes the claim "I acknowledge that the defendant has a good alibi. She can prove she was elsewhere at the time the murder was committed. I nevertheless insist that you find her guilty because she cannot provide the name of the person who did the murder."

Does that argument hold water?

AQ doesn't have an alibi, infact they have made a confession, you people haven't even come close to challenging the fact that 9-11 was perpetrated by AQ.

Trajan Octavian Titus · 08-25-07, 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by ashurbanipal

Yes, that is our ultimate goal. What I am trying to lay the groundwork for, though, is to make sure that everyone understands that we don't know for certain who did it.

Yes we do, there are reams of evidence that it was perpetrated by AQ, and OBL has infact confessed.

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I have my suspicions about who was involved and who was the ultimate mastermind--namely, Dick Cheney.

That's a serious charge sir and I really hope the people you start accusing start suing you for slanderous libel. Furthermore; what the hell would Cheney have to gain by murdering 3000 of his fellow citizens?

Chanda · 08-26-07, 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Trajan Octavian Titus

OBL has infact confessed.

Experts have said the "fat" OBL confession tape is a hoax.

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That's a serious charge sir and I really hope the people you start accusing start suing you for slanderous libel.

Would that require court testimony under oath by the plaintiff? Don't hold your breath.

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Furthermore; what the hell would Cheney have to gain by murdering 3000 of his fellow citizens?

The Bush administration has certainly exploited 9/11 for years, and still does, to promote its agenda. Bush and Cheney had no qualms about sending thousands of Americans to die in a war based on lies.

Trajan Octavian Titus · 08-26-07, 11:28 PM

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Experts have said the "fat" OBL confession tape is a hoax.

A) No CIA forensic experts have comfirmed its authenticity, kids in a basement with a laptop say that it's a hoax.

B) When you look at other frames from the tape it is clearly OBL.

Here's the single frame of distortion that you'll find on truther sites:

And here are other angles where the view isn't distorted by angle and shadow that you will not fight on the truther sites:

C) He confessed on video to 9-11 twice, the 2nd time was just before the 2004 U.S. Presidential elections:

2004 Osama bin Laden video: Information from Answers.com

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Would that require court testimony under oath by the plaintiff? Don't hold your breath.

Why? Because the people you accuse of conspiring to murder 3000 of their fellow citizens would have qualms about committing perjury?

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The Bush administration has certainly exploited 9/11 for years, and still does, to promote its agenda. Bush and Cheney had no qualms about sending thousands of Americans to die in a war based on lies.

A) The Democrats voted for this war as well.

B) What lies? Be specific.

bhkad · 08-26-07, 11:34 PM

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Originally Posted by americanwoman

Ok so I am not about to go through pages and pages of junk but I want to know from all those who support the theory that 9-11 was an inside job who orchestrated it? I know you believe it was the U.S. government but who (naming names) is the mastermind behind the plan? Why do you belive it was this person who did it and what evidence do you have to lead this person to such a hideous act?

This shows just how brazen some people can be.

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(bhkad at a predominantly Muslim website) "Can someone please tell me who is the leading Muslim behind the Minnesota Bridge collapse?"

Jerry · 08-27-07, 01:45 AM

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Originally Posted by americanwoman

Ok so I am not about to go through pages and pages of junk but I want to know from all those who support the theory that 9-11 was an inside job who orchestrated it? I know you believe it was the U.S. government but who (naming names) is the mastermind behind the plan? Why do you belive it was this person who did it and what evidence do you have to lead this person to such a hideous act?

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