americanwoman

So for people who don't believe it was Bin Laden or AQ, then do you still think they threaten us as a nation? As in, does AQ has some sort of vendetta against the US?

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ashurbanipal

I think that absolutely Bin Laden and Al Qaeda don't particularly like America. I think Bin Laden was offered a chance by conspirators on the inside to perpetrate a massive terrorist attack, and he took it. Interestingly, the conspirators and Bin Laden both want the same thing but believe in two diametrically opposed results. Both want war in the Middle East. Bin Laden thinks it will galvanize the Muslim world against both America and Israel. The conspirators think we'll end up owning the Middle East, which is the only way to continue to control the world. Both sides think they'll win that war. It remains to be seen who comes closer to being correct.

So the answer, IMO, is much more complex than most people think. Did Al Qaeda commit 911? Yes, they did--and Bin Laden probably believes he was the mastermind, the one who carefully manipulated a few insiders to carry out his jihad. Did conspirators carry out 911? Yes, they did--and they probably believe they've played Bin Laden for the scapegoat while they were the prime movers of the crime. In truth, they're both half-right. From Bin Laden's point of view, he takes too much credit for what happened; 911 could never have been done without inside help. We've lost a bunch of freedom and our society has greatly changed, but it hasn't all been the demoralizing time Bin Laden thought it would be.

On the other hand, the conspirators were probably not counting on how much currency this would purchase Bin Laden and Al Qaeda. A formerly splintered terrorist world is now united, and Al Qaeda is growing stronger. It may actually be possible for them to carry out a terrorist attack in America without inside help now, and that scares the living bejesus out of anyone who set Bin Laden loose. Nor were they counting on so many people questioning the official version of 911. Not that we've had that much impact, but I'm sure they'd rather everyone believe their version.

One thing I caution anyone thinking about conspiracies to not do is attribute unreasonable power to the conspirators. It's never the case that conspiracies are carried out by large groups of people, or that those people are in control of everything. They always risk getting caught or failing in their objectives.

Before anyone jumps my case, I admit that this is complete speculation on my part. However, given that there was an inside conspiracy, I think this scenario makes the most sense.

dixon76710

No, you would be the one "to start bringing out the rhetorical barbs" and you did so fairly quickly.

Trajan Octavian Titus

LMFAO yes OBL was offered a chance to perpetrate a massive terrorist attack but that offer came from KSM, OBL didn't plan 9-11 he just financed it. First the idea was formed by Ramzi Yousef ('93 WTC bombing) and after he was captured KSM took it over and brought the idea to OBL. Now just where in the hell does the U.S. come into that sequence of events? You people can't even come close to challenging the facts behind the planes operation and you don't even try you just choose to ignore the overwhelming evidence that proves conclusively that 9-11 was not an inside job but rather another in a long line of AQ attacks against the U.S. and her interests. What's really funny is that we have the masterminds behind the attacks in custody IE KSM and Ramzi Yousef and for your conspiracy theories to be valid you would have to believe that we are keeping the only two men who could blow the lid off the inside job alive just for the hell of it.

Richard Nixon

Yes. A group of men from caves with knives hijacked a commerical air line, flew into the most well-defended air space in the world, managed to stay in that air space without getting shot down, then managed to take down a building that, by two of the designers admissions, was built to withstand "multiple plane shots from multiple places".

And fairies exist.

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"Hay truther **** you! Look at mah biased links with content I have no clue on!"

Just doing it before you do.

dixon76710

Do you just make up these quotes as you go along or do you have someone else doing it for you?

Chanda

I agree. That would explain why Bush failed to act on dozens of warnings in the months before 9/11:

What Did They Know

"I don't believe any longer that it's a matter of connecting the dots. I think they had a veritable blueprint, and we want to know why they didn't act on it."--Senator Arlen Specter, a Republican member of the joint intelligence committee that investigated 9/11

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Trajan Octavian Titus

No a group of highly trained, highly intelligent, well educatated Jihadists from Saudi Arabia, Egypt, and the UAE, hijacked a commercial airline and flew it in to buildings. You're acting like this is the first time that Islamic Fascists hijacked an airline. Anywho can I cut your ****ing throat out with a box cutter since you seem to think that they're no threat.

NORAD isn't designed to defend against Domestic flights truther.


Yep they turned off their transponders which made them a bilip amongst thousands of other blips and our air defenses are not designed to locate and target domstic aircraft.

They were designed to stand up to 707's traveling at half speed not 767's traveling at full speed, not to mention that the designer didn't even take into account that insuing fires, but rather only did the calculations to see what the impact itself would do, get ****ing educated truther.

Ya I'm talking to one right now.

Trajan Octavian Titus

Yes cites containing facts and evidence not truther bull**** must now be considered biased, because it disagrees with the truther delusions.