Pull My Finger

That one individual was the LEAD ENGINEER of the NIST report.
Is molten steel not relevant when determining how the steel failed?
Please explain how examining molten steel on the site wouldn’t help determine the conditions that led to the collapse.
Makes sense… There was still molten steel under all three buildings. My guess is molten steel is even less supportive than sagging steel. This molten steel MUST have come from the crash site and fires right? Therefore determining how the steel actually got hot enough to melt would be crucial. NIST didn’t concern themselves with this?
Aluminum was found, but so was steel. The burning of common items in a building is not sufficient enough melt steel, and keep it molten for 6 weeks. NIST’s own report shows this.
How do you know this? NIST only tested the initiation of the collapse, not the collapse. As Ash has pointed out, even their tests on the initiation of the collapse are flawed.
Explain to me then, scientifically, how hundreds of thousands of tons of steel and concrete below the impact zone all failed simultaneously, when NIST didn’t bother to examine this or the rubble. Explain how ‘nothing was going to stop it’.
There is enough evidence provided to you to prove otherwise. For whatever reason, you just won’t acknowledge it.

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dixon76710

There were no "pools". Fireman saw molten metal running down a beam.

molten steel after days of fire is relevant to the days of fire. Long before it got any where near hot enough to melt metal, the towers collapsed.

Because the days of fire destroyed any evidence that exist in molten metal.



Weve all seen the video. The building below the impact zone didnt fail simultaneously. It did so one floor at a time, one after another.

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Originally Posted by Pull My Finger Explain how ‘nothing was going to stop it’.

If the falling mass of 12 floors is sufficient to collapse an intact floor, the falling mass of 13 floors is going to be more than sufficient to collapse the next.

conquer

Just because a group of religious fanatics were smart enough to cause such damage in US on that September 2001, it is any justification for the US to waste billions of dollars invading a country which had no connection at all with those fanatics?

What about the thousands and thousands of innocent lives taken in this unnecessary war?

The only conspiracy theory is the invasion to Iraq itself as the answer.

Pull My Finger

FINE Dixon, no pools even though there was molten steel running down the channel rails ‘like they were in a foundry’ which would have to stop flowing eventually and pool somewhere…. Holy ****…

The rest of your post is just as weak…

NIST did not take the liquid steel into account – period. Melted steel most certainly would have affected the strength of the building and would help make the argument for a collapse, unless they have something to hide about how/when/where the steel melted.

NIST didn’t concern themselves with the rubble you say?

QUESTION:
Where’s the first place you would look if you were investigating a building collapse?

NIST’s scientific proof regarding how all 3 buildings collapsed entirely, is a video of the buildings collapsing.

… Exactly what you would expect from engineers and scientists at a National Institute of Standards and Technology…

As Ash has pointed out, there are also flaws with their modeling, and physical tests replicating the damaged floors…

There is no plausible scientific data (just ‘official’ theories) on how the first 3 steel structured buildings to ever collapse from fire, actually collapsed to the ground into near dust – including building 7 which the Commission Report ignored completely, and NIST still can’t comment on due to an ‘ongoing investigation’…

None of the reports (FEMA, 9/11, NIST, PM) have proven conclusive or even complete. In some instances they contradict one another and even themselves. In fact they are a distraction from - and don't answer - the many questions that caused all the controversy in the first place…

Peace

Pull My Finger

In a real investigation they ALWAYS pursue the leads that point to the people who gained the most from the crime, and had the means to pull it off. If you really want to investigate who could have been the ‘mastermind’ behind 9/11, it’s worth taking this into consideration…

The policies that followed 9/11:

Patriot Ac of 2001
Homeland Security Act of 2002
Domestic Security Enhancement Act of 2003
Detainee Treatment Act of 2005
Military Commissions Act of 2006
Presidential Directive 51 of 2007

Effectively nullified

Insurrection Act
Posse Comitatus Act
Habeas Corpus

These Acts, the reasons for implementation, the process of implementation, the preemptive wars in the name of protecting the Homeland are all very similar to another incident in recent history…

WIKI: Nazi Germany
WIKI: Hitler
WIKI: Reichstag Fire
WIKI: Reichstag Fire Decree
WIKI: Enabling Act In Germany
WIKI: Gestapo

I understand that Americans don’t like having their country associated with the Nazi’s. I do understand how this sounds to most people – I was one of them less than 2 years ago… It has nothing to do with German or American citizens – just the parties, and policy shifts…

These Acts are something the forefathers warned us about… Trading liberty for perceived safety…

They may not be using them to the fullest capacity, but the government already has dictatorial powers. Over the last 7 years, this power has been solidified. Now the Executive alone can define what constitutes a national emergency, override the state and congress, and declare martial law.

The directives outlined for running the government after a catastrophe are classified, even to those with clearance.

Oregon live: Whitehouse again denies DeFazio

The US is a giant prize for a would-be dictator… There are commonalities amongst societies that are being closed down. Here are 3 different authors research…

Laurence Britt: Fascism Anyone?
Umberto Eco: 14 Ways of Looking at a Black Shirt
Guardian: Naomi Wolf, 10 steps to closing down an open society


AQ – Had a motive
US – Had a motive

AQ – No ‘insider’ access and even questionable means
US – Full access to the ‘inside’ (ie: cousin and brother running WTC security)

AQ – Had limited budget & boxcutters
US – Near unlimited budget & technology

AQ – Mastermind ‘in a cave’ 1000’s of miles away
US – Mastermind would be able to work from within

AQ – No ability to control clean up or hide evidence
US – Had site cleaned before an investigation

AQ – Minimal to no ability to influence investigations
US – Fought investigation, then stacked the 9/11 Commission with friends

AQ – Minimal ability to influence response to attack
US – Consolidated control of responses to attacks months prior

AQ – Minimal to no ability to manipulate ‘blips’ on US radar screens
US - War game ‘blips’ on 9/11 confused responders to potential 22 hijackings

AQ – Gained renown, and surge in blindly patriotic radicals
US – Gained surge in a scared and blindly patriotic society

AQ – Has lost continuity, been split apart and put ‘on the run’
US – Has consolidated dictatorial powers

AQ – Polarized moderates and radicals
US – Polarized those in agreement with government and those who aren’t

AQ – Likely gained money from increase in radical donations
US – Government & friends getting obscenely rich while country goes broke

AQ – Might have made money through investments using foreknowledge of 9/11
US – American companies (ie AB Brown) made money in suspicious investments

AQ – Lost their ‘anonymity’ and ability to work freely
US – Gained initial support for wars with Afghanistan & Iraq in endless WOT

AQ – Gained more American presence on ME soil
US – Gained the ability to attack & occupy countries preemptively

Peace

dixon76710

The claim was "huge pools of molten steel" and the only evidence you have is a fireman speaking of molten steel running down a beam. Why not present eye witness accounts for the "huge pools of molten steel"?

Molten metal after days of burning rubble is evidence of the conditions within the rubble pile after days of fire. Like I said

Revealing. A google search of "the video evidence was rather clear; it was not stopped by the floors" produces one singular search result, this page on DP. Ya makin the shiite up as you go along?

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Why do you bother dealing with a Bonobo like Dixon!

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dixon76710

One of yopu moderaters want to put a leash on this half wit or at least insist that he come up with some new material.