Once again: Obama's Muslim Faith?

Tazmanian Devil said:

Here is the video. Don't be shy.

Pick it apart.

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Andalublue said:

Warner says Obama "chops wood and carries water for Islam". What's to pick apart?

The interviewer begins: "Obama said: 'My father was a Muslim, my stepfather was a Muslim, my brothers are Muslims', he said: 'I am one of you."

That's not what he said at all. He said:

"Part of this conviction is rooted in my own experience. I am a Christian, but my father came from a Kenyan family that includes generations of Muslims. As a boy, I spent several years in Indonesia and heard the call of the azaan at the break of dawn and the fall of dusk. As a young man, I worked in Chicago communities where many found dignity and peace in their Muslim faith."

It's not difficult to debunk rubbish like this. You only have to read exactly what he said.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/04/us/politics/04obama.text.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

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Tazmanian Devil said:

Once again: Obama's Muslim Faith?

Rather than hijack another thread to discuss this, I chose to start a new one on an old subject. A discussion of Obama's Muslim Faith.

Here is what prompted this discussion:






Okay, I believe the PREPONDERANCE of evidence would lead an objective and intelligent person to the conclusion that Barack Obama IS a Muslim.

Here is a close to smoking gun bit of evidence.

Jeremiah Wright: I “Made It Comfortable” For Obama to Accept Christianity Without Having to Renounce Islam (Video Report)

Jim Hoft May 15th, 2012 12:08 pm

Read more: Jeremiah Wright: I "Made It Comfortable" For Obama to Accept Christianity Without Having to Renounce Islam (Video Report) - The Gateway Pundit

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imagep said:

Oh hell, now I have lost all confidence in Obama. I thought he was athiest, I didn't know that he believed in fairy tales and myths.

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MaggieD said:

If I take everything you say as truth and accept that Omama is a Muslim, what difference does it make?

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Tazmanian Devil said:

Originally (in terms of the back history of this thread) the other posters were trying to discredit Dr. Bill Warner by saying he was wrong about Obama being a Muslim.

This is a continuance of that line of discussion.

But what does it mean to us now?

It means that we allowed someone to conceal a significant aspect of their biography in order to assume a job they would not have qualified for otherwise.

If you lied on your resume, you would expect to be fired. Yes?

But Obama seems so "In-like-Flynn" that this thought is almost preposterous to expect he will lose his job even if it were legally proved that he concealed "His Muslim Faith."

What this does show, however, is that there is a danger of not only VIOLENT Jihad, aimed at bringing America down, but also NON VIOLENT Jihad.

And that is as dangerous to America, even though silent and largely unseen, as termites are to a house if left undetected and untreated.

Bottom line, we may not be able to do anything about Obama's perfidy but at least use this lesson as a warning of what is going on 24/7 out of our sight and yet only a few keystrokes away from your detection.

Stealth Jihad.

In the highest levels of government and in critical positions in American industry, utilities, manufacturing, commerce, academia, research, law, publishing, the media, finance and the infrastructure, hundreds of thousands of Muslims across America are ready, willing and able to act on their loyalty to Islam and according to their first allegiance, Allah, to perform Jihad to help progress the religion toward global domination of all of mankind.

And we are completely unaware of our vulnerability to these agents of Islam who every day do their jobs competently and pleasantly but when the time is right, will do their duty to Allah..

Let's use the lesson we CAN'T do anything about, Obama's slithering into the Oval Office through deceit, to make us ready to prevent the Lights being turned OUT in America.

We need a cleaning out of government and industry all across America while we can in order to prevent another Pearl Harbor or 9/11 which Jihadists have promised to unleash on us at a time and in a manner of THEIR choosing.

We can prevent it and we must prevent it.

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Tazmanian Devil said:

Originally (in terms of the back history of this thread) the other posters were trying to discredit Dr. Bill Warner by saying he was wrong about Obama being a Muslim.

This is a continuance of that line of discussion.

But what does it mean to us now?

It means that we allowed someone to conceal a significant aspect of their biography in order to assume a job they would not have qualified for otherwise.

If you lied on your resume, you would expect to be fired. Yes?

But Obama seems so "In-like-Flynn" that this thought is almost preposterous to expect he will lose his job even if it were legally proved that he concealed "His Muslim Faith."

What this does show, however, is that there is a danger of not only VIOLENT Jihad, aimed at bringing America down, but also NON VIOLENT Jihad.

And that is as dangerous to America, even though silent and largely unseen, as termites are to a house if left undetected and untreated.

Bottom line, we may not be able to do anything about Obama's perfidy but at least use this lesson as a warning of what is going on 24/7 out of our sight and yet only a few keystrokes away from your detection.

Stealth Jihad.

In the highest levels of government and in critical positions in American industry, utilities, manufacturing, commerce, academia, research, law, publishing, the media, finance and the infrastructure, hundreds of thousands of Muslims across America are ready, willing and able to act on their loyalty to Islam and according to their first allegiance, Allah, to perform Jihad to help progress the religion toward global domination of all of mankind.

And we are completely unaware of our vulnerability to these agents of Islam who every day do their jobs competently and pleasantly but when the time is right, will do their duty to Allah.

Let's use the lesson we CAN'T do anything about, Obama's slithering into the Oval Office through deceit, to do what we can to stop a potential national catastrophe which we CAN PREVENT!

The lights being turned out all across America.

We need a cleaning out of government and industry all across America while we can in order to prevent another Pearl Harbor or 9/11 which Jihadists have promised to unleash on us at a time and in a manner of THEIR choosing.

We can prevent it and we must prevent it.

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Tazmanian Devil said:

Originally (in terms of the back history of this thread) the other posters were trying to discredit Dr. Bill Warner by saying he was wrong about Obama being a Muslim.

This is a continuance of that line of discussion.

But what does it mean to us now?

It means that we allowed someone to conceal a significant aspect of their biography in order to assume a job they would not have qualified for otherwise.

If you lied on your resume, you would expect to be fired. Yes?

But Obama seems so "In-like-Flynn" that this thought is almost preposterous to expect he will lose his job even if it were legally proved that he concealed "His Muslim Faith."

What this does show, however, is that there is a danger of not only VIOLENT Jihad, aimed at bringing America down, but also NON VIOLENT Jihad.

And that is as dangerous to America, even though silent and largely unseen, as termites are to a house if left undetected and untreated.

Bottom line, we may not be able to do anything about Obama's perfidy but at least use this lesson as a warning of what is going on 24/7 out of our sight and yet only a few keystrokes away from your detection.

Stealth Jihad.

In the highest levels of government and in critical positions in American industry, utilities, manufacturing, commerce, academia, research, law, publishing, the media, finance and the infrastructure, hundreds of thousands of Muslims across America are ready, willing and able to act on their loyalty to Islam and according to their first allegiance, Allah, to perform Jihad to help progress the religion toward global domination of all of mankind.

And we are completely unaware of our vulnerability to these agents of Islam who every day do their jobs competently and pleasantly but when the time is right, will do their duty to Allah.

Let's use the lesson we CAN'T do anything about, Obama's slithering into the Oval Office through deceit, to do what we can to stop a potential national catastrophe which we CAN PREVENT!

The lights being turned out all across America.

We need a cleaning out of government and industry all across America while we can in order to prevent another Pearl Harbor or 9/11 which Jihadists have promised to unleash on us at a time and in a manner of THEIR choosing.

We can prevent it and we must prevent it.

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Gaius46 said:

1. The man says he's a Christian
2. Even if he were a Muslim what difference would it make?

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Gaius46 said:

You know lots of people said the same crap about Kennedy when he ran. The sky didn't fall then and it won't if we ever get around to electing a Muslim president.

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Occam's Razor said:

You really need to get a hobby...

This kind of fear mongering is not very far from Roofs rants, or the Boston bombers. Same ignorant, demonize all in their target group, BS.

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Tazmanian Devil said:

No one who visits the website Political Islam - Islam's ideology about unbelievers, Kafirs comes back from having done so declaring it to be a waste of time except Jihadists who would rather we remain ignorant to the facts of Islam and it's plans for us non believers.

I have offered you several opportunities to visit the site and either you refuse to become educated or else you are a Jihadists and no amount of truth will ever persuade you.

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Tazmanian Devil said:

You may be unaware of the nature of Islam.

You may start your journey of exploration here.

Political Islam - Islam's ideology about unbelievers, Kafirs

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Tazmanian Devil said:

Read my Post #8.

Whenever we suffer an accident or misfortune or loss or are victimized, we can do the natural thing and figuratively lick our wounds, dry our tears and then try to move on.

But if we look at each of life's misfortunes as a tuition payment, paid in advance, we might become better, smarter individuals.

What was the tuition payment for? What school or college or course of study is this payment going toward?

Our life experience.

And so, I believe we should look at the fact of Obama's slipping into the White House under false pretenses, as a tuition payment and now it is up to US to mine from that experience as much valuable knowledge as we can.

Sometimes we pay a huge price for a loss and never find the lessons which could be extracted at no extra cost.

Hell, we've already paid for the lesson.

What we oftentimes do is pay for the tuition but never take the courses.

We throw the money away.

In my post #8 I suggest how we can get our money's worth from the payment of inattention regarding Obama's deception.

And I hope we can learn to be more diligent and prevent another Muslim deception currently taking place all around us.

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Tazmanian Devil said:

You may be unaware of the nature of Islam.

You may start your journey of exploration here.

Political Islam - Islam's ideology about unbelievers, Kafirs

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Serenity said:

Tazmanian Devil,

He's not, but what I want to know is why whenever this gets raised, the implication is that there is something wrong with being an Arab-American or a Muslim.

Is there something wrong with being an American Muslim in the US?

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Tazmanian Devil said:

The Camel's Nose In The Tent.

One cold night, as an Arab sat in his tent, a camel gently thrust his nose under the flap and looked in. "Master," he said, "let me put my nose in your tent. It's cold and stormy out here." "By all means," said the Arab, "and welcome" as he turned over and went to sleep.

A little later the Arab awoke to find that the camel had not only put his nose in the tent but his head and neck also. The camel, who had been turning his head from side to side, said, "I will take but little more room if I place my forelegs within the tent. It is difficult standing out here." "Yes, you may put your forelegs within," said the Arab, moving a little to make room, for the tent was small.

Finally, the camel said, "May I not stand wholly inside? I keep the tent open by standing as I do." "Yes, yes," said the Arab. "Come wholly inside. Perhaps it will be better for both of us." So the camel crowded in. The Arab with difficulty in the crowded quarters again went to sleep. When he woke up the next time, he was outside in the cold and the camel had the tent to himself.

Arab Fable: The Camel's Nose In The Tent

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Hari Seldon said:

Excellent conspiracy theory post. I will be more aware of camels.

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Tazmanian Devil said:

The Camel's Nose In The Tent.

One cold night, as an Arab sat in his tent, a camel gently thrust his nose under the flap and looked in. "Master," he said, "let me put my nose in your tent. It's cold and stormy out here." "By all means," said the Arab, "and welcome" as he turned over and went to sleep.

A little later the Arab awoke to find that the camel had not only put his nose in the tent but his head and neck also. The camel, who had been turning his head from side to side, said, "I will take but little more room if I place my forelegs within the tent. It is difficult standing out here." "Yes, you may put your forelegs within," said the Arab, moving a little to make room, for the tent was small.

Finally, the camel said, "May I not stand wholly inside? I keep the tent open by standing as I do." "Yes, yes," said the Arab. "Come wholly inside. Perhaps it will be better for both of us." So the camel crowded in. The Arab with difficulty in the crowded quarters again went to sleep. When he woke up the next time, he was outside in the cold and the camel had the tent to himself.

Arab Fable: The Camel's Nose In The Tent

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zyzygy said:

So that's how Christianity got started in Europe!

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Every religion is better than Islam, and so is atheism. Here are three reasons:

1. All religions, except Islam, have the Golden Rule as an ethical cornerstone. Instead Islam has a dualistic ethical code.

2. In Islam, the Sharia demands that all humanity submit to Islamic customs and law.

3. The only religion that can kill apostates is Islam. Leaving Islam is a capital crime under the Sharia.

Some say that all religions are the same. But, from these reasons, we can see that Islam is inferior to all others.

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Lest us return to the issue of equality.

The idea is unacceptable to Islam.

For the non-believer cannot be the equal of the believer.

Even among the believers only those who subscribe to the three so-called Abrahamic religions: Judaism, Christianity and Islam ( Ahl el-Kitab) are regarded as fully human.

Here is the hierarchy of human worth in Islam:

At the summit are free male Muslims

Next come Muslim male slaves

Then come free Muslim women

Next come Muslim slave women.

Then come free Jewish and /or Christian men

Then come slave Jewish and/or Christian men

Then come slave Jewish and/or Christian women.

Each category has rights that must be respected.

The People of the Book have always been protected and relatively well-treated by Muslim rulers, but often in the context of a form of apartheid known as dhimmitude.

The status of the rest of humanity, those whose faiths are not recognised by Islam or who have no faith at all, has never been spelled out although wherever Muslim rulers faced such communities they often treated them with a certain measure of tolerance and respect ( As in the case of Hindus under the Muslim dynasties of India.)

Non-Muslims can, and have often been, treated with decency, but never as equals.

(There is a hierarchy even for animals and plants. Seven animals and seven plants will assuredly go to heaven while seven others of each will end up in Hell.)

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