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Old 05-11-08, 09:10 AM   #81 (permalink)
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Re: New Moon Conspiracy Due Up

Come on people. Get serious.

The two clips above show that Collins' was in gravity as the way the corners of his jacket swing back and forth instead of floating show he was in gravity. It looks like they got sloppy.

There's more evidence of faking zero-gravity. Click on this link below and go down about a third of the way until you see this.

Apollo Internet Images and Videos With Inconsistencies Anomalies
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APOLLO 9: Dave scott performs Extra Vehicular Activities LAVA # : LV-1998-00030.mov
The astronaut is unusually flexible compared to today's shuttle astronauts on EVAs; the Apollo suit does not appear to have bearings at the joints like the space shuttle extra vehicular suits. The experimental thermal samples flutter and follow non-linear curved paths, as if under the influence of or affected by atmospheric drag and turbulence.
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That clip above may have been faked on earth.

I know they had the technology then to go into low earth orbit to film stuff like this ut the footage shows that they faked at least some of it. Maybe they were trying to save money.
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Old 05-11-08, 10:03 AM   #82 (permalink)
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Come on people. Get serious.

The two clips above show that Collins' was in gravity as the way the corners of his jacket swing back and forth instead of floating show he was in gravity. It looks like they got sloppy.

There's more evidence of faking zero-gravity. Click on this link below and go down about a third of the way until you see this.

Apollo Internet Images and Videos With Inconsistencies Anomalies
(excerpt)
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APOLLO 9: Dave scott performs Extra Vehicular Activities LAVA # : LV-1998-00030.mov
The astronaut is unusually flexible compared to today's shuttle astronauts on EVAs; the Apollo suit does not appear to have bearings at the joints like the space shuttle extra vehicular suits. The experimental thermal samples flutter and follow non-linear curved paths, as if under the influence of or affected by atmospheric drag and turbulence.
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That clip above may have been faked on earth.

I know they had the technology then to go into low earth orbit to film stuff like this ut the footage shows that they faked at least some of it. Maybe they were trying to save money.
The provided clips actually show the result of inertia and 0 gravity. It seems you are under the assumption that a lack of gravity makes stuff float around for no reason, when in reality all movement is a result of some force acting on matter. The movement you see is easily explained by the motions of the person wearing the jacket...to assume otherwise is to add complexity to a situation that is explained by the most fundamental laws of motion.

As for the Footage of astronauts from apollo, I will simply accept that you have not bothered to read the umteen hundreds of explanations that point to the many fold accuracies in minute detail that simply cannot be faked, or would have required technology unavailable at the time, and instead have only read those things that promote unfounded theory, and watched endless reruns of the Xfiles.
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Re: New Moon Conspiracy Due Up

I do not believe we faked the moon landing.
However, I completely fail to understand why we have not returned.
And i fail to understand why space exploration is not 90% of our budget.

Getting out their and contacting other life is my highest priority.
I just hope that my country does not try to bring them "Democracy".
Unfortunately though, due to lack of funding and progress, this won't happen in my lifetime even if reach 100.
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I do not believe we faked the moon landing.
However, I completely fail to understand why we have not returned.
And i fail to understand why space exploration is not 90% of our budget.

Getting out their and contacting other life is my highest priority.
I just hope that my country does not try to bring them "Democracy".
Unfortunately though, due to lack of funding and progress, this won't happen in my lifetime even if reach 100.
I would agree we might spend a larger % of the budget on space exploration and cosmology. As it is we are taking a relatively sound approach by focusing on robotic missions and attempting to understand the risk factors in Human spaceflight. I believe the failure to return to the moon has been primarily due to a few factors:

1) What science we did manage to accomplish (ie. understanding the geology, history, and dynamics) on the moon did not generate much motivation to return, as the costs associated with such a venture did not justify the science.
2) Until now, we simply did not have the ability to establish anything approaching permanence on the moon, nor did we have the technology to take advantage of what the moon had to offer.
3) The politics of Earth forced a focus on far more pressing matters, and made expending resources on "frivolous" projects unacceptable on a federal level.


I have a feeling things are becoming more conducive to exploration and utilization of the moon, as the Orion Project seems to indicate.
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Very simple. Put mirrors facing one to another in angle. Start with 20 mirrors. Use a flashlight and turn it On. Do it at night. The light will hit one to another mirror showing you a luminous point. Add more mirrors, and you will see that light finally won't reach the last mirror. You won't see any luminous point.

Wait for the day time. Put the flash light in front of the first mirror...whoa! you still see its image in the last mirror!!! Why? Because daylight is hitting its surface!.
That doesn't make any sense at all. Are the 20 mirrors supposed to face each other in a circle or what? I can't think of any reason why you wouldn't be able to see the light in the last mirror, and I don't care enough to go out and buy 20 mirrors.

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No, they will be hurt by the intensity of the hit of light in the surface of the element of the light bulb of the flashlight. Remember that there are practically explosions when the negative and positive electricity meet in the element. It creates fast motion and heat. A crazy environment.
Why would they be hurt by the intensity of the "hit of light?"

Oh right, because percievine light is exactly what rods and cones do.

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Rods and cones are in a glossy environment. What glossy environments do in this case? Look at any film, are they flat or glossy? What is in a film? Some chemicals. The cones and rods also have chemicals, some for color, others for black and white tones. Reflection of images is what happen, not so the reflection of light. Light can take as much as it wants to travel from one place to another. Images are seeing always in their present.
Dude, the chemicals in flim react to light. That is why photographs work. That is why they are called photographs. Look up the origin of the term "photo" and you will see what I mean.

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I wrote the example of the spacecraft sent to outerspace and sighted daily from its depart. Regardless of its distance from earth, you will see its image always in its current location and status. The spacecraft can be millions of miles from earth, you still always see its image in its present simultaneously with your present.
No. You won't. You have provided no evidence to support this assertion, and it doesn't make any sense.

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I don't see your explanation for this phenomena.
That is because there is no such "phenomena." It exists only in your imagination.

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If you disagree, your theory will say that you are observing the image of the spacecraft "as it was in its past"
You are observing everything that you observe as it was in its past.

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even when you have films showing that what you see is its current location and status.
You don't have films showing that though. The film can only show the product of a chemical reaction when exposed to light. The film has to wait for the light reflected from the spaceship to reach it before it can show the spaceship.

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You might need to show the equations demonstrating when and where the "real" image of the spacecraft separated itself from its "past image" detected by you...
What separation? When the spaceship is five light minutes away, you see it as it was five minutes ago. When the spaceship is five light years away, you see it as it was five years ago.

It works exactly the same as it does for sound. If you stand right next to a thunderstorm, you percive the thunder at approximately the same time as the lightning. If you drive away from the thunderstorm, the sound of thunder will talk longer and longer to reach your ears. Even though you are listening the whole time, when you are miles away, the thunder you hear will be the sound of an event that happened in the past.

It works the same way with light.


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Excuse me? Does the Doppler Effect radio signals "have" to reach the stars in order to determine if they are going away or coming close to us?

You know that such is not the way the Doppler effect works, right? and the Dopler Effect is a different kind of radar but still is a radar.
If you want to learn about the Doppler effect, here is a link, maybe it will clear up some of your misunderstandings about how light works.

Doppler Effect

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Why you waste your life talking imaginations? I just gave you the theater test to check about it.

One more test. Send an image to the Moon as the projector of the movie theater sends it to the screen. If you are correct, the image sent by you to the Moon "with straight light" will hit the mirrors on the Moon and this image will come back and will be reflected in a surface facing the returned signals.

This last suggested experiment will wake you up to reality. The signals *(lightwaves) might be detected but no images will be perceived.

Your theory says that images travel with light...prove it to yourself first.
Why send it to the moon? I have a mirror right in my own house, and I happen to have a projector as well. Guess what, I bound the projection off the mirror, and I can still see the image just fine.


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Because we can't see light. Don't you understand it yet? If you can see light, you should see its path going everywhere, you should see the light of the Sun passing besides the earth away from us at night.
How would I see the light of the sun passing beside the earth away from us at night? By what mechanism would that light ever reach my eyes? Nothing con be percieved until you interact with it. If I never interact with the light, it will be imperceptible to me.

I can can only see the light that reaches my eyes. Thats what eyes are for.

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Sure, and tonight before you sleep your mother will tell you more stories about flying dragons...
Your sarcasm belongs to amateurs. Try again.

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Darn! I should read your reply today early in the morning to check it. Well, look, in order to validate your point, you must show yourself first who, where, when, how, etc came with this idea that images travel with light.
Why would I do that? Why does "who came up with the idea" have any bearing on the validity of the point?

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I invite you to surf the entire web looking for such first tests and experiments demonstrating that images travel with light.
What first tests an experiments? Its self evident. I invite you to search the entire web looking for first tests and experiments demonstrating that music travels with sound. They don't exists because the very concept is inane. Music is obviously a pattern of sounds, and images are obviously a pattern of light.

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Read carefully my advice, I am not talking of assumptions that because light takes time to travel from one place to another, images must do the same.
Sure, and when we hear music, we hear it at the exact moment it is being played. We don't have to wait for the sound to actually reach our ears.

Why would people ever assume that because it takes sound time to travel from one place to another that music must do the same?

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The point you must find in the entire web is the evidence obtained showing that images -not light- take the same time to travel from one place to another.
Search the entire web and find me evidence that music -not sound- take the same time to travel from one place to another.

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Remember that the idea that images travel like if they are sent by a projector has been discarded already. Such is not the way how bodies "send their light".
images are nothing but the patterns which we ascribe to our perception of light.

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When bodies send light, light is invisible, no one can see it, unless light hits the particles of the air and its path (illumination) becomes visible.
We see light whenever it hits the rods and cones in our eyes. We can't see anything except light. We can see light after it bounces off of things. Sometimes the wavelength of the light changes after it bounces off of something, so we can percive the colour of that light, and infer a property of the object which it bounced off of.

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Sigh* You have repeated that light hits your eyes so many times in your reply that at this very moment you must have become blind.
And yet you still don't seem to understand the concept.

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A nebulae absorbing light can become invisible because light hits it but is absorbed, as to say, light is killed.
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Rods and cones are always activated. We are a 24/7 functional machine from head to toes.
The rods and cones react to light. No light, no reaction.
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The provided clips actually show the result of inertia and 0 gravity. It seems you are under the assumption that a lack of gravity makes stuff float around for no reason, when in reality all movement is a result of some force acting on matter. The movement you see is easily explained by the motions of the person wearing the jacket...to assume otherwise is to add complexity to a situation that is explained by the most fundamental laws of motion.
The movement would cause the corner of the jacket to go up and it doesn't go up because gravity is keeping it from going up.

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As for the Footage of astronauts from apollo, I will simply accept that you have not bothered to read the umteen hundreds of explanations that point to the many fold accuracies in minute detail that simply cannot be faked, or would have required technology unavailable at the time, and instead have only read those things that promote unfounded theory, and watched endless reruns of the Xfiles.
If you don't go into any detail, this is just empty rhetoric.

When the astronaut walks by the flag in this clip, it moves because of the gust of wind caused by the astronaut.

YouTube - Apollo 15 waving flag

(2 minute 35 second mark)

This one clip settles the whole issue.
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Here are some videos if anyone wants to delve further.

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.
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