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The 9/11 Conspiracists: Vindicated After All These Years? (and other reading)

PSYCHOLOGISTS will tell you that even perfectly sane people have the ability to accept wild conspiracy theories. The more powerless or alone we feel, the more likely we are to develop such theories.

It's all linked to self-esteem. If you're the sort of person who feels isolated or disenfranchised, you're much more likely to develop wild theories as a way of making you seem more knowledgeable, more powerful, more special.

That might help explain why many Americans are into conspiracies. The irony of our technologically over-connected age is that there are scores of socially disconnected people sitting in dark rooms extrapolating all sorts of crap from factoids they find online. Here are six of the worst:

Six really stupid 9/11 conspiracies debunked in about six seconds
 
Much has changed in the thirteen years since America was attacked. At least one thing has remained constant: the stupidity and futility of 9/11 truthers.

The truthers don’t believe men with ties to an Islamist terror group hijacked airplanes and flew them into the twin towers or the Pentagon. In some cases, they don’t believe planes hit these buildings at all. At minimum, they maintain the government orchestrated or at least permitted the attacks.

Writing about such bizarre conspiracy theorists may seem like an easy lay-up for a columnist, much like denouncing child molesters or praising puppies.

Is it really worth it to poke such a marginal group? My inbox will be flooded with missives from amateur explosives and metallic experts explaining in all caps that steel doesn’t melt. My ears will be pierced by the screams of a thousand forty-year-olds crying out from their mothers’ basements.

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JIM ANTLE: 9/11 Truthers Are Even Dumber Than You Think | The Daily Caller
 
mike2810 said:
There has been nothing new regarding the 9/11 attack. Even the various 911T organizations have nothing new.
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What are you expecting to be "new"?
 
Fledermaus said:
Interesting reading...

Of course Counterpunch is a government information spigot...

The 9/11 Conspiracists: Vindicated After All These Years? » CounterPunch: Tells the Facts, Names the Names

As I find counter-truther texts, I will add them.
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"CounterPunch is a monthly magazine published in the United States that covers politics in a manner its editors describe as "muckraking with a radical attitude".[1] It has been described as left-wing by both supporters and detractors.[2][3][4]

CounterPunch magazine has published frequent commentaries by the late Alexander Cockburn and current editor-in-chief Jeffrey St. Clair and editor Joshua Frank with regular contributions by a wide range of others. It is noted for its critical coverage of both Democratic and Republican politicians[5][6] and its extensive reporting of environmental and trade union issues, American foreign policy, and the Israeli-Arab conflict..." Wikipedia

Unless you were joking, provide evidence that Counterpunch is "a government information spigot..."
 
Hard Truth said:
"CounterPunch is a monthly magazine published in the United States that covers politics in a manner its editors describe as "muckraking with a radical attitude".[1] It has been described as left-wing by both supporters and detractors.[2][3][4]

CounterPunch magazine has published frequent commentaries by the late Alexander Cockburn and current editor-in-chief Jeffrey St. Clair and editor Joshua Frank with regular contributions by a wide range of others. It is noted for its critical coverage of both Democratic and Republican politicians[5][6] and its extensive reporting of environmental and trade union issues, American foreign policy, and the Israeli-Arab conflict..." Wikipedia

Unless you were joking, provide evidence that Counterpunch is "a government information spigot..."
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Joking..,

Preemptive strike on truther rebuttals.
 
Fledermaus said:
Joking..,

Preemptive strike on truther rebuttals.
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Good. Forget I mentioned it.

Some people on this forum believe such strange things its hard to tell whose joking sometimes.
 
Bob0627 said:
What are you expecting to be "new"?
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you didn't make the connection to psikeyhackr post did you? I quoted him.

To answer your question. imo, the only "new" coming from the various 911T organizations would be a rehash of the same material in a new dvd, trying to get new ballot initiatives under false pretense, continue asking for donation. As stated by you , they are doing the work to educate. The question is who are they really educating.:mrgreen:
 
mike2810 said:
The question is who are they really educating.
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Certainly not you or those with your mindset. You get your "education" from the US government and the MSM. It's the best propaganda they can spew, all paid for by money stolen from Americans and any other victim they can fleece.

So then if there's nothing new for your entertainment pleasure why are you still posting here every single day defending the OCT? Why don't you practice what you preach and just assume everything about 9/11 that doesn't come from government is a scam aimed at those who just can't buy what government feeds them daily and you feel obligated to parrot?
 
Bob0627 said:
Certainly not you or those with your mindset. You get your "education" from the US government and the MSM. It's the best propaganda they can spew, all paid for by money stolen from Americans and any other victim they can fleece.

So then if there's nothing new for your entertainment pleasure why are you still posting here every single day defending the OCT? Why don't you practice what you preach and just assume everything about 9/11 that doesn't come from government is a scam aimed at those who just can't buy what government feeds them daily and you feel obligated to parrot?
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That is correct in part. The A911T organization have not fooled me.

What is so damn funny is you keep believing that I only get my information from the govt. That is a complete lie on your part.
There is a great many sources that are not from the govt. What you would find is many of those sources support the fire induced collapse of wtc1,2,7, the jet hitting the Pentagon and the jet crashing in Shanksville.

So quit you insane thoughts that my sources are only from the govt.

As far as parroting points of views. POLY WANT A CRACKER?.:lamo it seems you regurgitate the 911T groups talking points well.
 
Bob0627 said:
Certainly not you or those with your mindset. You get your "education" from the US government and the MSM. It's the best propaganda they can spew, all paid for by money stolen from Americans and any other victim they can fleece.

So then if there's nothing new for your entertainment pleasure why are you still posting here every single day defending the OCT? Why don't you practice what you preach and just assume everything about 9/11 that doesn't come from government is a scam aimed at those who just can't buy what government feeds them daily and you feel obligated to parrot?
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Bob,

Were there or were there not 4 airliners hijacked on 9/11?
 
mike2810 said:
So quit you insane thoughts that my sources are only from the govt.
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The only source for the OCT is the US government so the only insanity here is believing any of it comes from a different source.
 
Bob0627 said:
The only source for the OCT is the US government so the only insanity here is believing any of it comes from a different source.
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Funny.

So when 911T organizations uses information from the govt. The 911T organizations are not to be believed. Got it.:lamo

Since their is no OCT.
 
mike2810 said:
So when 911T organizations uses information from the govt. The 911T organizations are not to be believed. Got it.

Since their is no OCT.
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What are you ranting about now? First you believe the OCT is truth and you're not interested in the tens of thousands of documents that are being kept from you, then you believe the OCT comes from sources other than the US government and that I'm insane for believing otherwise and now you post the above unintelligible rant. What you also don't seem to understand is that millions of people haven't bought the OCT, not just a handful of organized entities and outspoken activists. It goes to show how your mind works or doesn't.
 
Bob0627 said:
What are you ranting about now? First you believe the OCT is truth and you're not interested in the tens of thousands of documents that are being kept from you, then you believe the OCT comes from sources other than the US government and that I'm insane for believing otherwise and now you post the above unintelligible rant. What you also don't seem to understand is that millions of people haven't bought the OCT, not just a handful of organized entities and outspoken activists. It goes to show how your mind works or doesn't.
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Bob,

You are not making sense.

To claim the so-called OCT DOES NOT come, in part, from sources other than the US government IS INSANITY.

The so-called OCT is actually made up of information gleaned from government and NON-GOVERNMENT sources.

But you are too pig headed to accept that.

CLUE: NBC, ABC, CBS, CNN, Fox News are NOT GOVERNMENT...

CLUE: The ASCE is NOT GOVERNMENT...

CLUE: The CTBUH is NOT GOVERNMENT...

CLUE: The University of Sydney is NOT GOVERNMENT...

CLUE: The University of Beijing is NOT GOVERNMENT...

CLUE: Perdue University, NOT GOVERNMENT...

CLUE: The ATCs that tracked the airliners are NOT GOVERNMENT...

CLUE: Plenty of the witnesses to Flight 77 impacting the Pentagon were NOT GOVERNMENT...

CLUE: The passengers of Flight 93, NOT GOVERNMENT...

CLUE: The passengers of Flight 77, NOT GOVERNMENT...

CLUE: The flight crews that ID'd the HIJACKERS, NOT GOVERNMENT...

CLUE: Moussaui, NOT GOVERNMENT...

CLUE: Bin Laden, NOT GOVERNMENT...



It goes on and on...

And your precious poll? Millions?

The MIHOP crowd (your stance) is less than 5%

The MIHOP organizations? Less than 1%.
 
Bob0627 said:
What are you ranting about now? First you believe the OCT is truth and you're not interested in the tens of thousands of documents that are being kept from you, then you believe the OCT comes from sources other than the US government and that I'm insane for believing otherwise and now you post the above unintelligible rant. What you also don't seem to understand is that millions of people haven't bought the OCT, not just a handful of organized entities and outspoken activists. It goes to show how your mind works or doesn't.
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what are you ranting about. You made an Assumption about me and what I use as sources.

You have a problem. Your continue use of OCT. I don't accept how you define the fire induced collapse explanation.
You have basically misrepresented sources when you say anything regarding the fire induced collapse comes from the govt.

Using your thought pattern then all alternative explanations come from CT. and all alternative explanations are not even close to being proven.
Yes, your acceptance of the multiple alternative explanation does show your mind set.

Back to the question. What is new in the alternative explanation effort?
 
mike2810 said:
what are you ranting about.
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Not a rant, just posting a very obvious observation about you.

You made an Assumption about me and what I use as sources.
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I wasn't talking about what you use as sources. I was talking about the fact that you believe that the source for portions of the OCT is other than the US government. You made that claim yourself. If anything, YOU misrepresented the source of the OCT.

You have a problem. Your continue use of OCT.
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Why is that a problem?

I don't accept how you define the fire induced collapse explanation.
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I didn't define any fire induced collapse explanation so what are you on about now?

You have basically misrepresented sources when you say anything regarding the fire induced collapse comes from the govt.
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I haven't misrepresented any sources nor have I said anything regarding the fire induced collapse coming from the US government. I said the source for the OCT is the US government, period. You have a reading comprehension problem. The "O" in OCT stands for OFFICIAL. What is official about other sources besides the US government?

Using your thought pattern then all alternative explanations come from CT.
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That's your thought pattern, not mine.

and all alternative explanations are not even close to being proven.
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Neither is the OCT. In fact, the OCT represents only a tiny percentage of all the information the US government has on 9/11 and is just a piece of propaganda. It has nothing to do with reality.

Yes, your acceptance of the multiple alternative explanation does show your mind set.
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Where do you get that I accept multiple alternative explanations? What do you mean by "accept"?

Back to the question. What is new in the alternative explanation effort?
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I have no idea. Why don't you research it and get back to me.
 
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