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9/11 Conspiracy Group Could Force Its Way Onto Ballot

mike2810 said:
I am not responsible for what others do.
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I didn't say you are, just pointing out the hypocrisy.

(actually, if you check I have called to others that insults does nothing), you just choose to ignore the fact.
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I never saw one but if you say so, I apologize and take it back.

Why do you call me a "fake poster"?
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I was speaking generally but I can't imagine someone who is genuine yet defends every single aspect of the the 9/11 narrative, the storytellers and questions nothing (or dismisses everything questionable or outright lies as insignificant).

Please ignore any future post by me. If you do quote or address what I post, I may respond. So to end this. Just bypass what I post. Fine with me.
That will not stop me from reponding to others who may oppose your views.
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That's your prerogative and this is way off topic.
 
Anyone who doesn't question that the Bears won the Super Bowl in 1986 is fake.
 
If the people of NY want to vote based on the petition. let them.
If the people of NY want to spend local tax dollars on a new investigation, let them. (Just don't use federal tax dollars).

If the review determines the collapse was fire induced, will that satisfy those that today say it was not.

Hasn't new codes been written for fire induced collapse? How do you make a buiding safer for people from a carefully planned controlled demoliton?

As long as its not federal dollars paying for it. Have fun NY.
 
mike2810 said:
If the people of NY want to vote based on the petition. let them.
If the people of NY want to spend local tax dollars on a new investigation, let them. (Just don't use federal tax dollars).

If the review determines the collapse was fire induced, will that satisfy those that today say it was not.

Hasn't new codes been written for fire induced collapse? How do you make a buiding safer for people from a carefully planned controlled demoliton?

As long as its not federal dollars paying for it. Have fun NY.
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Indeed... They can have all the "investigations" they want.

Then again, if the "9/11 Truth" movement was REALLY serious they would quit the billboard nonsense and fund their own investigation.... It's been 12+ years.
 
mike2810 said:
If the people of NY want to vote based on the petition. let them.
If the people of NY want to spend local tax dollars on a new investigation, let them.
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They were waiting with baited breath for your permission. Thank you.

If the review determines the collapse was fire induced, will that satisfy those that today say it was not.
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It will not be a "review" of the NIST report on the collapse of WTC7, it will hopefully be a legitimate investigation. And if it's truly legitimate, it is impossible that the conclusion will be a fire induced collapse. And if that happens, what will your position then be?

As long as its not federal dollars paying for it.
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Yeah, it's much more important that $trillions in federal dollars go to fund illegal wars, genocide and other human rights atrocities, not to mention the NSA, HSA, TSA and all the other really important alphabet agencies that violate the Constitution 24/7.
 
Bob0627 said:
They were waiting with baited breath for your permission. Thank you.

It will not be a "review" of the NIST report on the collapse of WTC7, it will hopefully be a legitimate investigation. And if it's truly legitimate, it is impossible that the conclusion will be a fire induced collapse. And if that happens, what will your position then be?

Yeah, it's much more important that $trillions in federal dollars go to fund illegal wars, genocide and other human rights atrocities, not to mention the NSA, HSA, TSA and all the other really important alphabet agencies that violate the Constitution 24/7.
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The bolded is nonsense... There is NOTHING that precludes fire induced collapse.
 
It can only be legitimate if it finds that Bob's presupposition is correct. If it doesn't find that, it's illegitimate.

The mind of a paranoid fanatic.
 
Bob0627 said:
They were waiting with baited breath for your permission. Thank you.



It will not be a "review" of the NIST report on the collapse of WTC7, it will hopefully be a legitimate investigation. And if it's truly legitimate, it is impossible that the conclusion will be a fire induced collapse. And if that happens, what will your position then be?



Yeah, it's much more important that $trillions in federal dollars go to fund illegal wars, genocide and other human rights atrocities, not to mention the NSA, HSA, TSA and all the other really important alphabet agencies that violate the Constitution 24/7.
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So eager to jump on me. I mearly was giving an opinion that if the petition is successfull and passess, the citizens of NY should have their investigation. Did you even look at the web site? "Because all local ballot measures in New York State that require the expenditure of public funds must include their own revenue source, the High-Rise Safety Initiative proposes a .9% surcharge on construction permits issued by the Department of Buildings"

I was supporting their efforts, Bob. No federal dollars are to be used. You go on the attack down some rabbit hole of wastefull spending of federal dollars. Nice


I realize that it is not a review of the NIST. I should have used investigate, I know you such a wordsmith type. Sorry. Would not any new investigation "review" what has already been done?

I disagree with your statement that it is "it is impossible that the conclusion will be a fire induced collapse.". Now who is really closed minded?
It seems your stance is if a new investigation does not report what you believe, then the results are invalid. Got it.
 
Well it's been pretty well reviewed, already. Including right here. Including by professionals in the field.

And it doesn't pass muster. That's why we're having this conversation. :)
 
“By requiring the Department of Buildings to investigate high-rise building collapses, the High-Rise Safety Initiative will help ensure that we never see another building collapse in New York City.”quoted from the Initiative web site.

This initiative is vague as posted on the website.

From the section on Purpose:
“By requiring the Department of Buildings to investigate high-rise building collapses, the High-Rise Safety Initiative will help ensure that we never see another building collapse in New York City. “

From the section World Trade Center 7:
“A new investigation by the City of New York will allow for these shortcomings to be addressed, thus furthering our understanding of how World Trade Center 7 collapsed and leading to safer building design in the future.”

One can understand the purpose of a new investigation with an outcome for new codes to prevent fire induced collapse in high rises.

It is very unclear if one is trying to address new codes to “prevent another building collapse”in NYC that is the results of a planned and executed controlled demolition.

What new codes could be written and enforced that would stop a controlled demolition being carried out by someone/group wishing to do harm? What civil liberties would be given up to ensure that no event like 9/11 ever happens again?

Developing additional codes for fire safety in high rises may need further investigation and study. Developing additional codes to stop unplanned controlled demolition by a group wanting to do harm does not need a new study of the building structure. Security measures, etc. maybe.

It is easy to see the intent of the people behind the petition. They want CD to be the answer to why WTC7 fell.
 
It already is the answer. A new law won't change that a bit. :doh
 
Henry David said:
It already is the answer. A new law won't change that a bit. :doh
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Then HD.
How does the proposed investigation "help ensure that we never see another building collapse in New York City.”?

the petition effort is all about public safety, right?
 
They have their formalities to go through Mike. :peace
 
mike2810 said:
I mearly was giving an opinion that if the petition is successfull and passess, the citizens of NY should have their investigation.
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Hopefully but thanks.

Did you even look at the web site?
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Obviously.

"Because all local ballot measures in New York State that require the expenditure of public funds must include their own revenue source, the High-Rise Safety Initiative proposes a .9% surcharge on construction permits issued by the Department of Buildings"
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A small price to pay to ensure the safety of people in case of "fire induced" collapses. An even smaller price to pay if a real investigation reveals it wasn't a fire induced collapse, which obviously, it wasn't.

Would not any new investigation "review" what has already been done?
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I don't know but if a new investigation determines it was not a fire induced collapse, there should be a review of what was done and those who did it, hopefully resulting in criminal charges.

I disagree with your statement that it is "it is impossible that the conclusion will be a fire induced collapse.".
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I know.

Now who is really closed minded?
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You are. Like I said no one who defends the official narrative 24/7 and question nothing about it (or dismisses every contradiction as irrelevant) is genuine.

It seems your stance is if a new investigation does not report what you believe, then the results are invalid.
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If an investigation reveals that Newton's laws took a vacation on 9/11, wouldn't your stance be that the investigation and its results are invalid? Even a new investigation can be corrupt, it still has to unbiased, use the scientific method, cover all the evidence including eyewitness testimony and follow all standard accepted investigative protocols. Even if this measure passes and a new investigation is actually conducted, I'm highly skeptical and have no confidence that it will be legitimate. I can say that because I know the history of government and at this point, completely understand the need to cover up the reality of 9/11. I hope I'm wrong though.
 
No one who defends the idea that the Allies won the Battle of the Bulge is genuine. The mind of a paranoid fanatic.
 
Henry David said:
They have their formalities to go through Mike. :peace
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and that really is not an anwer HD.
I thought you wanted an adult type discussion. Void of insults, non answers, etc.

Guess you don't like questions about the petition. You can choose to engage in answering or not. I already stated that the citizens of NYC can fund whatever they want based on the petition.

Mearly pointing out some issues with the petition and the web site. Yes, its my opinion regarding the petition.
 
Bob0627 said:
Hopefully but thanks.



Obviously.


A small price to pay to ensure the safety of people in case of "fire induced" collapses. An even smaller price to pay if a real investigation reveals it wasn't a fire induced collapse, which obviously, it wasn't.



I don't know but if a new investigation determines it was not a fire induced collapse, there should be a review of what was done and those who did it, hopefully resulting in criminal charges.



I know.



You are. Like I said no one who defends the official narrative 24/7 and question nothing about it (or dismisses every contradiction as irrelevant) is genuine.



If an investigation reveals that Newton's laws took a vacation on 9/11, wouldn't your stance be that the investigation and its results are invalid? Even a new investigation can be corrupt, it still has to unbiased, use the scientific method, cover all the evidence including eyewitness testimony and follow all standard accepted investigative protocols. Even if this measure passes and a new investigation is actually conducted, I'm highly skeptical and have no confidence that it will be legitimate. I can say that because I know the history of government and at this point, completely understand the need to cover up the reality of 9/11. I hope I'm wrong though.
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It will be interesting to see your reponse to post 35.

How does a new investigation "help ensure that we never see another building collapse in New York City.”?

Especially if it was a CD.

Care to give an opinion?
 
mike2810 said:
How does a new investigation "help ensure that we never see another building collapse in New York City.”?
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It won't and it can't. The pretext for this new investigation is that a fire induced collapse is possible, based on NIST's conclusion. So if it is, there should be an investigation to determine what is required when constructing high rise buildings to reduce the possibility of a fire induced collapse. The reasoning used is that NIST's investigation was not only inadequate, but did not properly address the issue of safety.
 
Bob0627 said:
It won't and it can't. The pretext for this new investigation is that a fire induced collapse is possible, based on NIST's conclusion. So if it is, there should be an investigation to determine what is required when constructing high rise buildings to reduce the possibility of a fire induced collapse. The reasoning used is that NIST's investigation was not only inadequate, but did not properly address the issue of safety.
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Pretty much what I stated with the fire induced explanation.

Is it your stance the people behind the petition have concluded it was a fire induced collapse?
So if it is their view WTC7 collapsed due to fire, then their is no need to look at CD? The investigation needs to just look at the structure design, material used and exit safety features for future consideration of new codes.

Now if the investigation looks at a new cause (CD), then the petition is misleading on their entent.

Looked at the vid. When the vid goes to WTC7, imo, the two glaring items. one it underplayed the fires in WTC7 and no mention of how long they burned. and the conclusion of the collapse, "hard to image".

The video alone brings me back to believe that the group wants to find CD as the cause. Of all of the news clips, the one they used has the reporter desciping the collapse as like a CD.

Seems a group of A&E could look at the design of WTC7 and determine what needs to be improved to protect agains collapse.
Seems a group of security experts could look at building security and come up with improvements.

Nothing is 100% sure except death and taxes.

By 2009, the push for new construction standards won out, bringing sweeping changes to the International Building Code and the International Fire Code, which serve as the basis for building and fire regulations across the USA. The International Code Council (ICC) approved additional changes for 2012.

The new safety regulations require:
•Additional stairways
•More space between stairways
•Stronger walls in stairwells and elevator shafts
•Reinforced elevators for emergency use
•Stricter standards for construction materials
•Better fire-proofing
•Backup water sources for the sprinkler system
•Glow-in-the-dark exit signs
•Radio amplifiers for emergency communications
http://architecture.about.com/od/structural/a/Did-9-11-Change-The-Way-We-Build.htm
http://www.fireengineering.com/articles/2011/08/9-11-code-changes.html

So can anyone really say with a straight face this effort is not about trying to fund an investigation to show WTC7 was brought down by CD?
 
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mike2810 said:
Is it your stance the people behind the petition have concluded it was a fire induced collapse?
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Is there something you didn't understand about the term "pretext"?

[the majority of what you posted is your opinion, no comment]

So can anyone really say with a straight face this effort is not about trying to fund an investigation to show WTC7 was brought down by CD?
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The High-Rise Safety Initiative is a ballot measure that will appear on the November 4, 2014 ballot in New York City. If approved by voters, it will require the NYC Department of Buildings to investigate high-rise building collapses in NYC that occurred on, or any time after, September 11, 2001. Its provisions exclude the collapse of the World Trade Center Twin Towers, but apply to the collapse of World Trade Center 7 and any high-rise collapse that may occur in the future.

About the High-Rise Safety Initiative – High-Rise Safety Initiative

IMO, it's a pretext for investigating the collapse of WTC7, hopefully in a valid and honest way.
 
Bob0627 said:
Is there something you didn't understand about the term "pretext"?

[the majority of what you posted is your opinion, no comment]



The High-Rise Safety Initiative is a ballot measure that will appear on the November 4, 2014 ballot in New York City. If approved by voters, it will require the NYC Department of Buildings to investigate high-rise building collapses in NYC that occurred on, or any time after, September 11, 2001. Its provisions exclude the collapse of the World Trade Center Twin Towers, but apply to the collapse of World Trade Center 7 and any high-rise collapse that may occur in the future.

About the High-Rise Safety Initiative – High-Rise Safety Initiative

IMO, it's a pretext for investigating the collapse of WTC7, hopefully in a valid and honest way.
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If you cant be honest about what you want and resort to tricks to try and get your investigation I'm pretty sure you have thrown out the idea of "valid and honest" already.
 
Bob0627 said:
That's how the US government sees it.
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False,
They dont care if you are a fool or a genius they are still gonna take your cash.
 
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