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Holocaust Denial and Minimization[W:123, 876]

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Sadling said:
You're in the wrong thread.
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Answering THIS post in THIS thread.

It's also just kinda silly. The wheels that would be greased for Israelis by being solely responsible for stopping a huge terrorist attack (even if unsuccessful, I think it'd be pretty clearly identified as the largest one ever attempted against the US) would be worth so much that it'd be functionally retarded to just warn "Jews". If, for whatever ridiculous reason (and I'm sure I'll hear some in this thread), they decided they would benefit more from allowing the attack, it would be monumentally stupid to just warn some people, because that would get out.

These things are always made up by people who watch NCIS or Alias or The West Wing on TV and think they have some understanding of how these things work. It's just crazy.
 
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Sadling said:
So, you're incapable of addressing the points I just mentioned? OK, then it appears that I have also established fact that you are a laugher. How does that make you feel?
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What points? A bunch of revisionist BS masquerading as "fact"?

Perhaps we can ask the NAZIs who were there... Oh, wait they did. And THEY confirmed what happened.

Maybe we can consult the documentation maintained by the NAZIs who were there... Oh, wait they did that too. And THEY confirmed what happened.

We can ask the people who survived the atrocities. Ah, they did that too. And THEY confirmed what happened.
 
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Sadling said:
Hmmm . . . Holocaust denial and minimization. How's your reading comprehension coming along?
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Better than yours. I answered a post in THIS THREAD.

So,


What points? A bunch of revisionist BS masquerading as "fact"?

Perhaps we can ask the NAZIs who were there... Oh, wait they did. And THEY confirmed what happened.

Maybe we can consult the documentation maintained by the NAZIs who were there... Oh, wait they did that too. And THEY confirmed what happened.

We can ask the people who survived the atrocities. Ah, they did that too. And THEY confirmed what happened.
 
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Sadling said:
So, you're incapable of addressing the points I just mentioned? OK, then it appears that I have also established fact that you are a laugher. How does that make you feel?
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Good! You didn't make any points. Like this: "You seem to think that I believe that the Holocaust never happened even though you can't provide any reference to any such statement to that effect from me." I can't argue with the voices in your head, making straw men. So I laugh. Is that okay? Can I laugh at you? Thanks!
 
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OldWorldOrder said:
Good! You didn't make any points. Like this: "You seem to think that I believe that the Holocaust never happened even though you can't provide any reference to any such statement to that effect from me." I can't argue with the voices in your head, making straw men. So I laugh. Is that okay? Can I laugh at you? Thanks!
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You're a laugher, it's OK. So, go ahead and laugh . . .

In a series of interviews with Shlomo Venezia, an alleged survivor of the Auschwitz Sonderkommando, Venezia said that the Sonderkommando units were comprised of Jews who cleaned up the gas chambers after a group of prisoners had been murdered. After its personnel dragged the corpses out of the chamber--Venezia states that this, in and of itself, was an extremely disturbing process, as it was initially difficult to disentangle the bodies--the room had to be cleaned. All traces of blood and excrement had to be washed away in order to present a clean, sterile, and hence worry-free environment to the next batch of victims. After completing this task, the men of the Sonderkommando then moved through the corpses, clipping hair or pulling out gold teeth before disposing of the bodies in industrial furnaces.

Do you agree with Venezia's account?
 
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I don't know dude, it's not really important to me. What's funny is all the various conspiracies conspiracy theorists believe. Here, how about this: you tell me all the conspiracies you believe in (my question for you), and I'll answer yours. How about that?
 
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OldWorldOrder said:
I don't know dude, it's not really important to me. What's funny is all the various conspiracies conspiracy theorists believe. Here, how about this: you tell me all the conspiracies you believe in (my question for you), and I'll answer yours. How about that?
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Of course it's important to you; that's what you're doing in this thread. However, if you don't care to address the point I just put in front of you, what's the point in your being here? To prove that you make a good laugher? That's not necessary, as that point has already been established.
 
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Sadling said:
Of course it's important to you; that's what you're doing in this thread.
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lol? errr, no, it's not.

Stop saying dumb **** if you don't want to be laughed at.
 
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Cryptic said:
Though Germany bears responsibility for the holocaust, his blame of locals was based on fact. A certain number of men (perhaps 50%) in German Einzatzgruppen units tasked with murdering Jews in the USSR and Poland were not Germans, but rather a variety of local recruits.

Likewise, other units directly involved in Killing Jews were entirely comprised of locals. The Germans just supplied encouragement and over all direction. This arrangement was especially prevalant in the Baltics. As for Romania, Romania did not deport any Jews to German occupied territory. Rather, Romanian Jews were murdered in Romania by Romanians.
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I don't dispute the fact that when unleashed by the Germans, the Croatians in Yugoslavia murdered Serbs, mostly Jews, by the hundred thousand. I also know the Poles were never fans of Jews and, once given the green light, went to town in seeking vengeance for decades of perceived wrongs. However, it was the Germans who put the cruelest Jew haters in charge.

Murder by proxy is still murder.
 
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OldWorldOrder said:
lol? errr, no, it's not.

Stop saying dumb **** if you don't want to be laughed at.
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OK, so we've now established that you're a laugher whose job it is to not address points, but rather to try to bury them with pointless posts. So, you'd better start addressing my point if you don't want to be laughed at.
 
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Sadling said:
OK, so we've now established that
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Right. We've established that you have absolutely no idea what's going on in the last couple of pages. That's vividly clear. You've made it extremely obvious.
 
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OldWorldOrder said:
It's always funny to me that conspiracy theorists really get into it: like they'll believe a dozen conspiracy theories at the same time, none of which that have any evidence. Literally paranoid. I'm fascinated by them (part of why I'm here), and they're so fun to laugh at because they take themselves so seriously. Holocaust denial? Check. Kennedy assassination? Check. 9/11? Check. FEMA internment camps? Check. HAARP? Check. The list goes on and on. I love it.
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Vaccines, contrails, Death Panels....it's probably a deep desire to feel superior to the rest of us plebes, not to mention finding an excuse to justify their loser existence.

If the guy who shows up 1 minute into the video below is an example of the average C/T, it explains a lot.
 
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OldWorldOrder said:
Right. We've established that you have absolutely no idea what's going on in the last couple of pages. That's vividly clear. You've made it extremely obvious.
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Very good. Having made it clear that you are incapable of addressing the point I put in front of you earlier, I won't ask you again.
 
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Sadling said:
You're a laugher, it's OK. So, go ahead and laugh . . .

In a series of interviews with Shlomo Venezia, an alleged survivor of the Auschwitz Sonderkommando, Venezia said that the Sonderkommando units were comprised of Jews who cleaned up the gas chambers after a group of prisoners had been murdered. After its personnel dragged the corpses out of the chamber--Venezia states that this, in and of itself, was an extremely disturbing process, as it was initially difficult to disentangle the bodies--the room had to be cleaned. All traces of blood and excrement had to be washed away in order to present a clean, sterile, and hence worry-free environment to the next batch of victims. After completing this task, the men of the Sonderkommando then moved through the corpses, clipping hair or pulling out gold teeth before disposing of the bodies in industrial furnaces.

Do you agree with Venezia's account?
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Whether or not the statement is accurate has NO BEARING on the reality of what happened.


The NAZIs who were there confirmed what happened.

The documentation maintained by the NAZIs confirmed what happened.

The people who survived the atrocities confirmed what happened.

The people who liberated the camps can attest to what happened.

Only pathetic Hitler Huggers try to minimize what happened.
 
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calamity said:
Vaccines, contrails, Death Panels....it's probably a deep desire to feel superior to the rest of us plebes, not to mention finding an excuse to justify their loser existence.
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Looks like you forgot the thread topic and the point I brought up. Care to address it?
 
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The American prosecutors at Nuremberg decided the best evidence against Nazi war criminals was the record left by the Nazi German state itself. They wanted to convict Nazi war criminals with their own words. While the Germans destroyed some of the historical record at the end of the war and some German records were destroyed during the Allied bombing of German cities, Allied armies captured millions of documents during the conquest of Germany in 1945. Allied prosecutors submitted some 3,000 tons of records at the Nuremberg trial. More than a decade later, beginning in 1958, the United States National Archives, in collaboration with the American Historical Association, published 62 volumes of finding aids to the records captured by the US military at the end of the war. More than 30 further volumes were published before the end of the 20th century
 
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calamity said:
Vaccines, contrails, Death Panels....it's probably a deep desire to feel superior to the rest of us plebes, not to mention finding an excuse to justify their loser existence.
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I forgot about vaccines and contrails!

It's absolutely an ability to deal with complexity (hence a centralized 'bad guy' that controls most of what you see around you) and a general disenfranchisement. Like society hasn't given them the merits they think they deserve and so, like a spurned ex, they decide that "society sucks". Like a bunch of women getting together after one of their friends gets dumped and they all say, "Oh girl, he wasn't worth it. He was a loser anyway." So conspiracy theorists sit around and say "Society isn't real anyway, it doesn't matter. It's all a big ruse. Like for example.." and out come the conspiracy theories.

It's a coping mechanism for people that are some combination of slow, confused, inexperienced (this is where a lot of high school and college kids get into it, most grow out of it), and disenfranchised (this and the confusion [at the changes in society in general] is what gets some older CTers).

But yeah, that's what I came into the thread to talk about: how weird it is that if you believe in one, you almost always believe in several. But...Sadling didn't get that :(
 
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Fledermaus said:
Whether or not the statement is accurate has NO BEARING on the reality of what happened.
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Let me get this straight. A testimony from an alleged Sonderkommando that turns out have NO BEARING in reality has no bearing on the reality of what happened. I see . . .
 
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Sadling said:
Let me get this straight. A testimony from an alleged Sonderkommando that turns out have NO BEARING in reality has no bearing on the reality of what happened. I see . . .
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Whether or not the statement is accurate has NO BEARING on the reality of what happened.


The NAZIs who were there confirmed what happened.

The documentation maintained by the NAZIs confirmed what happened.

The people who survived the atrocities confirmed what happened.

The people who liberated the camps can attest to what happened.

Only pathetic Hitler Huggers try to minimize what happened.

The American prosecutors at Nuremberg decided the best evidence against Nazi war criminals was the record left by the Nazi German state itself. They wanted to convict Nazi war criminals with their own words. While the Germans destroyed some of the historical record at the end of the war and some German records were destroyed during the Allied bombing of German cities, Allied armies captured millions of documents during the conquest of Germany in 1945. Allied prosecutors submitted some 3,000 tons of records at the Nuremberg trial. More than a decade later, beginning in 1958, the United States National Archives, in collaboration with the American Historical Association, published 62 volumes of finding aids to the records captured by the US military at the end of the war. More than 30 further volumes were published before the end of the 20th century


Basically I am not going to argue about a leaf, when the WHOLE FOREST shows reality as it is.
 
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OldWorldOrder said:
I forgot about vaccines and contrails!

It's absolutely an ability to deal with complexity (hence a centralized 'bad guy' that controls most of what you see around you) and a general disenfranchisement. Like society hasn't given them the merits they think they deserve and so, like a spurned ex, they decide that "society sucks". Like a bunch of women getting together after one of their friends gets dumped and they all say, "Oh girl, he wasn't worth it. He was a loser anyway." So conspiracy theorists sit around and say "Society isn't real anyway, it doesn't matter. It's all a big ruse. Like for example.." and out come the conspiracy theories.

It's a coping mechanism for people that are some combination of slow, confused, inexperienced (this is where a lot of high school and college kids get into it, most grow out of it), and disenfranchised (this and the confusion [at the changes in society in general] is what gets some older CTers).

But yeah, that's what I came into the thread to talk about: how weird it is that if you believe in one, you almost always believe in several. But...Sadling didn't get that :(
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Nothing to do with the topic . . . again. Should I report you?
 
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Sadling said:
Very good. Having made it clear that you are incapable of addressing the point I put in front of you earlier, I won't ask you again.
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Please don't! Because you have no idea of what's going on. Here's a primer for you, ****ing learn it or don't address me here again:

My first post here:

OldWorldOrder said:
It's always funny to me that conspiracy theorists really get into it: like they'll believe a dozen conspiracy theories at the same time, none of which that have any evidence. Literally paranoid. I'm fascinated by them (part of why I'm here), and they're so fun to laugh at because they take themselves so seriously. Holocaust denial? Check. Kennedy assassination? Check. 9/11? Check. FEMA internment camps? Check. HAARP? Check. The list goes on and on. I love it.
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I just explained why I made it: yet another thread where it's conspiracy theorists against the rest of the world. It's interesting how they all tend to believe multiple conspiracies. It's funny.

The thread was then checked and twenty minutes later, while I was still on this site at the time, this post occurred. Now, it's not talking about the Holocaust, see?

ecofarm said:
Claiming Israeli spies would not take action to save thousands, perhaps tens of thousands of Americans, is painting them as evil. That you would claim "they informed their fellow Jews" is intended to blur the line between Israeli and Jew, to further demonize Jewish people (as opposed to merely Israeli intel).
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Okay so now we're talking about 9/11 and intelligence agencies, see?

OldWorldOrder said:
It's also just kinda silly. The wheels that would be greased for Israelis by being solely responsible for stopping a huge terrorist attack (even if unsuccessful, I think it'd be pretty clearly identified as the largest one ever attempted against the US) would be worth so much that it'd be functionally retarded to just warn "Jews". If, for whatever ridiculous reason (and I'm sure I'll hear some in this thread), they decided they would benefit more from allowing the attack, it would be monumentally stupid to just warn some people, because that would get out.

These things are always made up by people who watch NCIS or Alias or The West Wing on TV and think they have some understanding of how these things work. It's just crazy.
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So I respond, talking about actual intelligence agencies and international policymakers. No interest whatsoever in the Holocaust at all in these posts. The only reason I posted in the first place was regarding how conspiracy theorists tend to believe in multiple conspiracies- even then, no interest in whatever goofy **** you think about the Holocaust. Then you come in with:

Sadling said:
Yes, as the above poster has well demonstrated.
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And I went through two pages telling you I don't give a **** about the Holocaust. But you didn't have the cognitive skills to get that. So again, don't say anything to me until you can wrap your brain around what I saying. Good god, no wonder you believe in all these nonsensical things.
 
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