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KokomoJojo · May 17, 2014

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ozeco41 said:
Try posting claims supported be reasoned argument and I may choose to respond.

You are slow learning - I pay no attention to tirades of snide commentary and personal insults. Reasoned argument may get my attention. Personal wind ups won't.

I dont personally insult anyone, I simply call it like it is. If you **** on your next door neighbors porch thats is damn well going to be my call.

So far all I have seen as your "working" definition of "reasoned" argument is one that fits neatly into your little box, which disqualifies you for a reasonable debate.

You have dismissed CD and as far as you are concerned anyone who makes an argument to the contrary is not reasonable. Those fallacies of course make you a giant in your own mind.

Virtually every one of your posts focus on pejoratively berating truthers on that same premise and there is an old saying that a skunk always smells his own ass first.

The only reason I pay attention to you is your use of typical debunker SO tactics (though more refined than some) along with the mountains of gish gaslighting you post in condescending pretense to create the impression you hold greater authoritative legitimacy than truthers and inappropriately use it to summarily dismiss legitimate issues. Cute but obvious tactic.

Bill is in the mail

Quag · May 17, 2014

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Mark F said:
Which makes him a POE

Perhaps but unlike Koko I think HD is a true believer

KokomoJojo · May 17, 2014

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Quag said:
Perhaps but unlike Koko I think HD is a true believer

yeh well I have yet to see anyone who argues in agreement with the general collapse theory to be anything but gaslighter trolls.

Fledermaus · May 18, 2014

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Quag said:
Perhaps but unlike Koko I think HD is a true believer

Wake me when either HD or Mojo Jojo comes up with anything resembling evidence.

Quag · May 18, 2014

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Fledermaus said:
Wake me when either HD or Mojo Jojo comes up with anything resembling evidence.

That would be a waste, spending your entire life in bed.

Quag · May 18, 2014

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KokomoJojo said:
yeh well I have yet to see anyone who argues in agreement with the general collapse theory to be anything but gaslighter trolls.

Dont worry I wont tell anyone that you actually post to make fun of truthers

Thoreau72 · May 18, 2014

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Fledermaus said:
Because you appear to be clueless about many things aeronautical?

So, HD, the EVIDENCE of something other than Flight 77 hitting the Pentagon?

Among other things, the flying object finally shown in the parking lot video is far too small to be a 757, and the debris inside the building shows a single engine aircraft with only one landing gear. A Boeing has 2 engines, much larger, and something closer to 6 or 8 wheels.

Quag · May 18, 2014

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Henry David said:
Among other things, the flying object finally shown in the parking lot video is far too small to be a 757,

No it wasnt

and the debris inside the building shows a single engine aircraft with only one landing gear.

No it doesnt

A Boeing has 2 engines, much larger, and something closer to 6 or 8 wheels.

Depending on the Boeing there can be up to 4 engines, but since we are talking about a B757 here I will grant you 2 engines, There are however 10 wheels on a B757. None of this is any evidence of something other than a B757 as all the debris found came from one.

Scott · May 18, 2014

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Among other things, the flying object finally shown in the parking lot video is far too small to be a 757,

Click to expand...

No it wasnt

Click to expand...

Yes it was. Anybody who actually looks at it can see that it was.

(post #270)
http://www.debatepolitics.com/consp...itting-pentagon-w-62-a-27.html#post1063289680

You're trying to mislead those viewers who haven't seen the proof showing it was. We can thwart you by reposting it on every page.

Quag · May 18, 2014

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Scott said:
Yes it was. Anybody who actually looks at it can see that it was.

(post #270)
http://www.debatepolitics.com/consp...itting-pentagon-w-62-a-27.html#post1063289680

You're trying to mislead those viewers who haven't seen the proof showing it was. We can thwart you by reposting it on every page.

More nonsense from the intentionally misinformed.
It is you who are trying to mislead people, but then that is standard truther fare.

Fledermaus · May 18, 2014

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Henry David said:
Among other things, the flying object finally shown in the parking lot video is far too small to be a 757, and the debris inside the building shows a single engine aircraft with only one landing gear. A Boeing has 2 engines, much larger, and something closer to 6 or 8 wheels.

Among other things, the flying object finally shown in the parking lot video is claimed to be far too small to be a 757 by someone who can't quite grasp the concept of frame rate and shutter speed, and the debris inside the building shows numerous examples of debris consistent with Flight 77 along with a single engine aircraft with only one landing gear. SOME Boeings have 2 engines while others have more , much larger, and something closer to 6 or 8 wheels.

Fixed that for you.

And... The FAA, NTSB, FBI and others did not notice something amiss?

Are you saying the E-Vile Ninja's "planted" the WRONG DEBRIS?

And all the investigators were too stupid to notice?

The rabbit hole goes deeper.

Bob0627 · May 18, 2014

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What plane in what frame? I know I'm getting old but I don't believe most people can see anything from those frames that means anything. That's why those frames were released and not one other frame. Those are being covered up by their own admission due to security reasons. The reasons being they don't want anyone to know what's in the other frames. That would jeopardize their security.

It's virtually the same reason NIST used to deny FOIA requests for release of all the data NIST used in their "investigation" that no one is supposed to take literally.

Fledermaus · May 18, 2014

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What plane in what frame? I know I'm getting old but I don't believe most people can see anything from those frames that means anything.

Due to frame rate and shutter speed there is little to see. Which makes it perfect for "truthers" to make unsubstantiated claims.

That's why those frames were released and not one other frame.

INCORRECT. The "frames" were released in their entirety. CLUE: Ain't many frames becase of the FRAME RATE.

Those are being covered up by their own admission due to security reasons.

Really? WHICH ones were "covered up" by their own admission due to security reasons.

The reasons being they don't want anyone to know what's in the other frames. That would jeopardize their security.

Interesting ACCUSATION. Oh, wait, another ACCUSATION without any support?

Please, tell us what videos were suppressed that would have shown ANYTHING about the impacts?

Heck, please tell us ANY videos that were "suppressed".

And if the "video" is suppressed, why does the debris, DNA, eyewitnesses, physical damage, etc. STILL point to Flight 77?

Bob0627 · May 18, 2014

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Fledermaus said:
What plane in what frame? I know I'm getting old but I don't believe most people can see anything from those frames that means anything.

Due to frame rate and shutter speed there is little to see. Which makes it perfect for "truthers" to make unsubstantiated claims.

That's why those frames were released and not one other frame.

INCORRECT. The "frames" were released in their entirety. CLUE: Ain't many frames becase of the FRAME RATE.

Those are being covered up by their own admission due to security reasons.

Really? WHICH ones were "covered up" by their own admission due to security reasons.

The reasons being they don't want anyone to know what's in the other frames. That would jeopardize their security.

Interesting ACCUSATION. Oh, wait, another ACCUSATION without any support?

Please, tell us what videos were suppressed that would have shown ANYTHING about the impacts?

Heck, please tell us ANY videos that were "suppressed".

And if the "video" is suppressed, why does the debris, DNA, eyewitnesses, physical damage, etc. STILL point to Flight 77?

Exactly, I want answers to those questions too. I might ask a few different questions though if that's ok with you. That's why we need a real investigation, don't you agree?

You and I have one thing in common, we want answers to many questions, right?

Fledermaus · May 18, 2014

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Bob0627 said:
Exactly, I want answers to those questions too. I might ask a few different questions though if that's ok with you. That's why we need a real investigation, don't you agree?

So you were making ACCUSATIONS without a shred of understanding?

You WERE NOT asking questions. You were making statements.

"That's why those frames were released and not one other frame" IS NOT a question. It IS an accusation.

"Those are being covered up by their own admission due to security reasons" IS NOT a question. It IS an accusation.

"The reasons being they don't want anyone to know what's in the other frames. That would jeopardize their "security" IS NOT a question. It IS an accusation.

BTW - There WAS a real investigation - FBI - You continue to ignore that fact.

Bob0627 · May 18, 2014

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Fledermaus said:
So you were making ACCUSATIONS without a shred of understanding?

No I understand completely, trust me on this bro.

Fledermaus · May 18, 2014

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Bob0627 said:
No I understand completely, trust me on this bro.

So you intentionally made accusations.

You WERE NOT asking questions. You were making statements.

"That's why those frames were released and not one other frame" IS NOT a question. It IS an accusation.

"Those are being covered up by their own admission due to security reasons" IS NOT a question. It IS an accusation.

"The reasons being they don't want anyone to know what's in the other frames. That would jeopardize their "security" IS NOT a question. It IS an accusation.

BTW - There WAS a real investigation - FBI - You continue to ignore that fact.

Fledermaus · May 18, 2014

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Read

FBI hides 84 Pentagon videos - 911myths

Bob0627 · May 18, 2014

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Fledermaus said:
Read

FBI hides 84 Pentagon videos - 911myths

I read it thanks. I feel so much better now that I read what the FBI said from a mostly anonymous "debunker" site. After all, why would the FBI lie or forget about a video or two? Or the website? Or the NSA? Or NIST? Or Bush? Or Obama?

BTW, should I take what the FBI said literally or not?

Mark F · May 18, 2014

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Bob0627 said:
I read it thanks. I feel so much better now that I read what the FBI said from a mostly anonymous "debunker" site. After all, why would the FBI lie or forget about a video or two? Or the website? Or the NSA? Or NIST? Or Bush? Or Obama?

BTW, should I take what the FBI said literally or not?

You might want to try using evidence, logic and reason instead of denial, hyperbole and innuendo if you wish to be taken seriously.

Thoreau72 · May 18, 2014

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Bob0627 said:
I read it thanks. I feel so much better now that I read what the FBI said from a mostly anonymous "debunker" site. After all, why would the FBI lie or forget about a video or two? Or the website? Or the NSA? Or NIST? Or Bush? Or Obama?

BTW, should I take what the FBI said literally or not?

The wise man will take what today's FBI says with a very large grain of salt, and that includes 2001's FBI

Thoreau72 · May 18, 2014

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Fledermaus said:
Among other things, the flying object finally shown in the parking lot video is claimed to be far too small to be a 757 by someone who can't quite grasp the concept of frame rate and shutter speed, and the debris inside the building shows numerous examples of debris consistent with Flight 77 along with a single engine aircraft with only one landing gear. SOME Boeings have 2 engines while others have more , much larger, and something closer to 6 or 8 wheels.

Fixed that for you.

And... The FAA, NTSB, FBI and others did not notice something amiss?

Are you saying the E-Vile Ninja's "planted" the WRONG DEBRIS?

And all the investigators were too stupid to notice?

The rabbit hole goes deeper.

Bad news for you Maus--I took some drafting classes years ago, more than 20, so I understand what Orthographic Projection is. Very cool, with a large element of common sense.

When they do orthographic projection on those Pentagon frames, the actual size of a 757 at that distance is almost shocking.

Whatever it was in those frames, it WAS NOT a Boeing.

Did you know that some people theorize it was a Russian Granit missile?

Bob0627 · May 18, 2014

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Mark F said:
You might want to try using evidence, logic and reason instead of denial, hyperbole and innuendo if you wish to be taken seriously.

I already used evidence, logic and reason but when I did that you said none of the evidence was supposed to be taken literally. So which is it? It's serious when you decide it should be but not to be taken literally when it's not convenient for you. You can't have it both ways. What's really obvious to me is 9/11 is not very serious for you, it's a hobby, entertainment.

Bob0627 · May 18, 2014

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Henry David said:
The wise man will take what today's FBI says with a very large grain of salt, and that includes 2001's FBI

Especially since the FBI had its bloody claws into the 1993 WTC bombing. And has been directly responsible for setting up several patsies since 9/11.

Thoreau72 · May 18, 2014

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Another outfit that had its claws into the 1993 bombing was Tri Data Corp. Pretty sure that's the right name. It was very involved in the cleanup of the bombing, and it was owned in whole or in part by Dov Zakheim.